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那個叫什麼重要私地啊私地有的時候是為了保存而保存 倒是不是加了很多人工的建築我告訴你 是為了選舉啦選舉啊 結黨結派啦把他搞成一個重要私地我擺在肚子裡面我沒說出來啦現在已經多少年了你既然重要私地有個背在那邊國家重要私地你不要鬧笑話好不好"},{"start":110.031,"end":131.393,"text":"那你就把它弄好嘛好不好既然內政部當然部長不是你啊已經換了好幾任部長既然有這麼一個師弟在那邊你就把它弄好嘛你不然就把那個牌子拆掉既然不是就拆掉嘛你擺在那裡丟人現眼幹什麼公告有公告的程序啦如果要撤銷有撤銷的程序"},{"start":133.627,"end":161.816,"text":"這個東西是你們內政部搞出來的我們來檢討一下不是我搞出來的,是你們弄出來的你如果要它繼續存在的話,你就把它維護好好不好,你就維護好這是一個問題第二個問題就是馬祖目前有大陸的有一些人士啊判過刑期屆滿啊人求啦齁那麼沒錢也沒地方住你們把它丟到馬祖去"},{"start":165.148,"end":187.375,"text":"移民署在管的,移民署在處理的都讓馬主席準備要遣返怎麼遣返?爹不疼娘不愛你遣返沒辦法遣返,上一次遣返了一個回去然後陸委會想借用這個圓球的模式因為那是福建省那邊同意的"},{"start":188.291,"end":214.088,"text":"那他的入境出入境只一次一次一次那想說這四十幾個十幾個也有十幾個啦並讓你們一起走後來也不行那後來我聽說透過紅石智慧那現在政府跟對面都沒有功能了嘛等於嘛你們這四十幾個人球丟在馬祖他不會賺錢啊他沒錢啊那也沒地方住啊"},{"start":218.203,"end":243.736,"text":"那你說會發生什麼事?這社會問題了嘛是不是製造社會問題?我們觀光商業那麼多,那這些人在那邊在幹什麼?他沒錢啊第一個社會觀感不好第二個,也會出狀況啊那你為什麼不擺在金門?或者擺在澎湖也可以啊你好的丟在金門,不好的放在馬祖能不能把他們送到金門去好不好?您看部長"},{"start":247.742,"end":269.876,"text":"如果那個金門的民意代表同意的話我們也當然考慮之列但是我想我想我想你了解遣返機制那遣返機制不能夠操之在我所以事實上確實會有一些觀感上面的問題或是在處理上面的問題但是我們盡量把它維持好"},{"start":270.322,"end":285.054,"text":"不是部長,你把他放在馬祖是什麼意思,我真的搞不懂你欸等待遣返吃飯移民署,移民署出來沒來?沒有,今天只有處理選罷法,我們只有民政司的你移民署你要不要給他伙食費?"},{"start":287.424,"end":308.949,"text":"這些人吃什麼?他已經不是屬於延長收容的部分那我們是請外面的類似紅十字會或是民間團體如果你們移民署沒管的話,那我就回去把他們買個機票,我帶他們到金門去玩玩了以後把他們丟在金門,你看怎麼樣?"},{"start":310.729,"end":336.349,"text":"你是說從馬祖帶到金門去玩,然後把他丟在金門我就不管他了我所了解馬祖到金門沒有直飛的班機我有辦法啊,我飛到台灣再飛到金門啊委員我想我們嚴肅的面對這個問題如果他有衍生其他的社會或治安的問題的話,我們來協助處理衍生的時候已經來不及了,是不是"},{"start":337.498,"end":348.384,"text":"治安問題出現的時候已經來不及了我是說未雨綢繆你們睜大眼睛把這問題解決好不好你跟對面沒辦法去解決"},{"start":350.132,"end":368.624,"text":"我們可能會來考量,是不是有這個在延長收容的機制但是在延長收容的機制的話,還要會同幾個機關一起同意的時候才能處理我沒有意見,但是這些人你要處理嘛,對不對你不處理,你要我們怎麼處理?你要我去處理嗎?還是馬祖的縣長去處理嗎?跟對面去談嗎?也不能談啊,協議也不能簽啊,是不是"},{"start":379.604,"end":395.118,"text":"鄭麗媛主席去那邊,又去唱紅啊,又來啊所以反正都是不好的嘛我去跟對面聊兩天,聊兩句,縣長去跟他縣長沒講話,對面講話回來你們內政部也要他做筆錄,做了老半天誰敢去啊我覺得住在台灣也蠻恐怖的現在,我覺得很恐怖你不覺得嗎"},{"start":407.677,"end":429.575,"text":"你說大陸那邊人權不好,我們這裡人權也好不了哪裡去我覺得報告委員,不能同日而已,我們就是常備管轄的跨境鎮壓的對象常備管轄,我們已經跟大陸來往幾十年了我們有被統戰了嗎?有被幹什麼了嗎?我去統匪了嗎?沒有嘛是不是,但是你不要把每個人都當作賊一樣啊"},{"start":430.729,"end":452.003,"text":"是不是?我們相信你看去那麼多人,有沒有哪些人滯留大陸不回來的?沒有啊有報告委員,現在有些宗教團體去那邊確實被留置,到現在還沒回來人家說不准做法輪功,你要到那邊去練功那有什麼辦法?不是法輪功好啦好啦,我今天跟你講這個40幾個人球的問題,你去處理好不好?你那個失利的請他們回報一下好不好?"},{"start":457.574,"end":485.233,"text":"我要了解你們對勢力怎麼處理,好不好?報告委員,現在馬祖的勢力目前的狀況是嗎?我雖然反對,當然啦我雖然反對,但是我很關心啊你要,你就把它好好保管好你不要,你不要就把那個牌子給我打掉是不是?你總要有個方式嘛,你不能丟在那裡啊,好不好?我希望這個事情給我回報一下部長謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:32:09+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:32:10+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，請部長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T11:32:10+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:32:11+08:00","text":"麻煩劉部長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-08T11:32:11+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:32:12+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:32:11.290000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:32:30.820000+08:00","text":"部長，兩個問題請問你，關於國家的重要溼地，溼地是內政部管的嗎？","quality":0.704},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-08T11:32:30.820000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:32:31.820000+08:00","text":"溼地，對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:32:31.820000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:32:32.820000+08:00","text":"是國土署嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-08T11:32:30.820000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:32:32.541000+08:00","text":"要看是國家型還是地方型。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:32:34.089000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:32:34.869000+08:00","text":"是國家重要溼地。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-08T11:32:36.170000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:32:39.512000+08:00","text":"對，溼地是我們管，但是有國家型，還有地方型。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:32:39.912000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:32:40.712000+08:00","text":"國家級的啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-08T11:32:40.852000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:32:41.393000+08:00","text":"國家級的，那當然。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:32:41.873000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:32:43.394000+08:00","text":"既然列為國家重要溼地……","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-08T11:32:43.554000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:32:44.494000+08:00","text":"當然是，是國家公園署。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:32:45.195000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:32:49.117000+08:00","text":"我們馬祖有個國家重要溼地，你有沒有聽說過？","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:32:49.117000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:32:51.398000+08:00","text":"不要說看，有沒有聽說過？","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-08T11:32:51.398000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:32:52.658000+08:00","text":"我不只聽說過，也去看過。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:32:52.658000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:32:52.878000+08:00","text":"去看過？是啊！","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-08T11:32:52.878000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:32:53.878000+08:00","text":"我知道。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:32:52.878000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:32:53.859000+08:00","text":"看過，那你一年編多少預算？","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-08T11:32:58.841000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:33:07.327000+08:00","text":"很抱歉，今天我沒有把資料帶過來，但是報告委員，我們今年預算也都沒過，所以編多少預算，一點意義都沒有。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:33:08.148000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:33:09.589000+08:00","text":"好，今年沒過，那去年有沒有過？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-08T11:33:09.589000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:33:10.369000+08:00","text":"去年當然有過啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:33:10.509000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:33:13.952000+08:00","text":"前年有沒有過？","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-08T11:33:13.952000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:33:14.952000+08:00","text":"但是前年……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:33:13.952000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:33:15.133000+08:00","text":"你關心一下，好不好？好，是。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:33:16.233000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:33:17.014000+08:00","text":"它用了幾塊錢？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-08T11:33:17.014000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:33:19.135000+08:00","text":"報告委員……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:33:19.135000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:33:32.292000+08:00","text":"那個重要溼地我是很反對的，我當縣長的時候，搞出一個重要溼地，然後變成國家重要溼地，但你一毛錢都不花，叫什麼重要溼地？","quality":0.827},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-08T11:33:32.532000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:33:34.113000+08:00","text":"溼地有的時候是為了保存而保存。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:33:34.113000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:33:35.113000+08:00","text":"喊口號，沒有啦……","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-08T11:33:35.074000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:33:37.836000+08:00","text":"倒不是要加很多人工建築。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:33:37.836000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:33:39.077000+08:00","text":"我告訴你，是為了選舉啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:33:41.019000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:33:47.965000+08:00","text":"為了選舉，結黨結派，搞出一個重要溼地，我擺在肚子裡面沒說出來……","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-08T11:33:47.965000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:33:49.906000+08:00","text":"好，我們來查明。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:33:49.906000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:33:50.727000+08:00","text":"現在已經多少年了？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:33:51.728000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:33:57.693000+08:00","text":"既然有個重要溼地的牌子在那邊寫著「國家重要溼地」，你不要鬧笑話，好不好？","quality":0.71},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:33:59.171000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:34:00.392000+08:00","text":"不然就把它弄好嘛，好不好？好。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:34:02.374000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:34:11.484000+08:00","text":"當然當時部長不是你，已經換了好幾任部長，但既然有這麼一個溼地在那邊，你就把它弄好，不然就把那個牌子拆掉，對不對？","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:34:13.226000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:34:17.490000+08:00","text":"既然不是就拆掉，擺在那裡丟人現眼幹什麼！","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-08T11:34:17.490000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:34:20.373000+08:00","text":"公告有公告的程序，如果要撤銷，也有撤銷的程序。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:34:20.373000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:34:22.627000+08:00","text":"我沒有意見喔！","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:34:22.627000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:34:23.768000+08:00","text":"這個東西是你們內政部搞出來的……","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-08T11:34:23.948000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:34:24.388000+08:00","text":"我們來檢討一下。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:34:24.668000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:34:32.290000+08:00","text":"不是我搞出來的，是你們弄出來的，如果要讓它繼續存在，就維護好，好不好？","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:34:32.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:34:34.411000+08:00","text":"你就維護好，這是一個問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:34:34.411000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:34:48.195000+08:00","text":"第二個問題，馬祖目前有一些大陸人士，被判過刑，刑期屆滿，沒錢也沒地方住，就是人球啦！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:34:49.736000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:35:01.610000+08:00","text":"你們把他丟到馬祖，是移民署在管的，移民署在處理的，把他丟到馬祖，準備要遣返，怎麼遣返？","quality":0.811},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:35:03.271000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:35:06.432000+08:00","text":"爹不疼娘不愛，是不是？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:35:06.85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t":"2026-04-08T11:37:42.867000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:37:45.329000+08:00","text":"到衍生的時候就已經來不及了，是不是？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:37:46.498000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:37:48.239000+08:00","text":"等治安問題出現的時候就已經來不及了。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:37:48.399000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:37:54.502000+08:00","text":"我是說要未雨綢繆，你們睜大眼睛把這個問題解決，好不好？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:37:55.843000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:37:57.384000+08:00","text":"你跟對面沒辦法解決？","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-08T11:37:59.132000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:38:11.020000+08:00","text":"委員，我們可能會考量是不是有再延長收容的機制，但是要有再延長收容機制的話，還要會同幾個機關，一起同意的時候才能處理。","quality":0.887},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:38:11.460000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:38:14.142000+08:00","text":"我沒意見，但是這些人你要處理嘛，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:38:14.142000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:38:15.162000+08:00","text":"你不處理，你要我們怎麼處理啊？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:38:15.182000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:38:15.603000+08:00","text":"你要我去處理嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:38:15.603000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:38:15.823000+08:00","text":"還是馬祖的縣長去處理？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:38:16.123000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:38:16.303000+08:00","text":"跟對面去談嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:38:16.303000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:38:17.184000+08:00","text":"也不能談啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:38:17.224000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:38:17.604000+08:00","text":"協議也不能簽啊，是不是？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:38:28.604000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:38:30.426000+08:00","text":"鄭麗文主席去那邊又去倡紅啊！","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:38:31.126000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:38:31.467000+08:00","text":"又來啦！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:38:32.788000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:38:33.669000+08:00","text":"反正都是不好的嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:38:34.990000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:38:42.236000+08:00","text":"我去跟對面聊兩天、聊兩句，縣長去縣長沒講話，而是對面講話，結果回來之後內政部也要他做筆錄還做了老半天耶，誰敢去啊！","quality":0.843},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:38:42.857000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:38:43.857000+08:00","text":"我覺得現在住在臺灣也蠻恐怖的，我覺得很恐怖耶！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:38:43.998000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:38:44.118000+08:00","text":"你不覺得嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:38:56.677000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:38:59.640000+08:00","text":"你說大陸那邊人權不好，我覺得我們這裡的人權也好不到哪裡去。","quality":0.815},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-08T11:39:00.981000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:39:05.685000+08:00","text":"報告委員，不能同日而語，我們就是長臂管轄、跨境鎮壓的對象。","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:39:07.626000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:39:07.947000+08:00","text":"長臂管轄？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:39:07.947000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:39:10.148000+08:00","text":"我們已經跟大陸來往幾十年了！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:39:10.829000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:39:11.990000+08:00","text":"我們有被統戰了嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:39:11.990000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:39:12.951000+08:00","text":"有被幹什麼了嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:39:12.951000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:39:13.912000+08:00","text":"我去通匪了嗎？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:39:13.912000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:39:14.252000+08:00","text":"沒有嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:39:15.032000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:39:15.553000+08:00","text":"是不是？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:39:16.414000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:39:19.969000+08:00","text":"你不要把每個人都當作是賊一樣啊，是不是？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:39:20.129000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:39:23.592000+08:00","text":"你看我們鄉親去了那麼多人，有沒有哪一個人滯留大陸不回來的？","quality":0.741},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:39:23.752000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:39:24.452000+08:00","text":"沒有啊！有。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-08T11:39:24.772000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:39:30.456000+08:00","text":"報告委員，現在有些宗教團體去那邊確實被留置到現在還沒回來。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-08T11:39:30.4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