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這個部分內政部會針對就是說收受政治獻金的期間因為有在任者也會參與選舉那因為在任者收受政治獻金跟他職權上的"},{"start":394.062,"end":401.129,"text":"這個會不會有衝突的這個部分可能還是必須要再做思考這部分我們會深深來做研議好的好謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"吳委員琪銘","start":"2026-04-08T11:40:42+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:40:43+08:00","text":"召委、與會同仁。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員琪銘","start":"2026-04-08T11:40:42.009000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:40:42.129000+08:00","text":"請內政部部長。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T11:40:42.129000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:40:42.329000+08:00","text":"麻煩部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-08T11:40:42.329000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:40:43.329000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員琪銘","start":"2026-04-08T11:40:42.329000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:40:42.469000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"吳委員琪銘","start":"2026-04-08T11:40:42.469000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:40:42.969000+08:00","text":"部長，針對公職人員選舉罷免法，今天大家都在討論。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員琪銘","start":"2026-04-08T11:40:42.969000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:41:21.223000+08:00","text":"尤其是針對選罷法第二十六條的設計，本來重大犯罪者在立法院過去的條文應該都沒什麼問題，但是今天就我所聽到各位委員所講的，重罪的話未達10年以上或是易科罰金者都可以參選。","quality":0.896},{"speaker":"吳委員琪銘","start":"2026-04-08T11:41:21.363000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:41:50.548000+08:00","text":"但另一方面，只被判緩刑的，不論是重刑罪還是輕刑罪一律不得參選，這是一個比例原則的問題；本席還是希望內政部對大家今天所提的都謹慎地研究，因為有的是輕刑的罪責被判緩刑不能參選，這對當事者也有不公平的地方。","quality":0.839},{"speaker":"吳委員琪銘","start":"2026-04-08T11:41:51.369000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:42:20.870000+08:00","text":"但是重刑犯當然是指對國家有重大危害，不管是持有槍砲還是毒藥都是我們列為重刑的，對此本席都非常支持我們過去一貫所修出來的條文，所以針對這一個問題，本席還是尊重內政部。","quality":0.831},{"speaker":"吳委員琪銘","start":"2026-04-08T11:42:22.030000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:42:46.390000+08:00","text":"針對20歲修法下降到18歲，這個本席是非常支持，因為過去的選罷法都是18歲就可以進行投票，未來公職人員的選舉，本席也支持下降到18歲，請問部長是否支持？","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-08T11:42:49.932000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:43:04.780000+08:00","text":"感謝委員對於18歲公民權的支持，我剛剛有提到，憲法學者大概有兩派，我們希望這兩派的憲法學者可以在公開場合做比較好的論辯。","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-08T11:43:05.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:43:15.605000+08:00","text":"如果符合並完備立法院所有的修憲程序以及所有法制的話，我們當然是很樂觀地看待18歲公民權的部分。","quality":0.884},{"speaker":"吳委員琪銘","start":"2026-04-08T11:43:17.106000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:43:37.950000+08:00","text":"因為現在18歲所接觸到的不管是外面的資訊種種都非常地成熟，對於我認為修法下降到18歲這有迫切性，所以本席也支持一定要下降到18歲。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-08T11:43:37.950000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:43:46.776000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我們都完全贊成，但如果說是急著要把它通過，在選務上面會相當地倉促。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-08T11:43:47.597000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:43:57.445000+08:00","text":"像剛剛我們已經跟幾位委員報告過，如果有下降的話，公民的人數大概是41萬。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-08T11:43:58.165000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:44:02.328000+08:00","text":"假設是41萬的話，對年底九合一的選舉會不會直接造成非常大的衝擊？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-08T11:44:03.830000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:44:12.235000+08:00","text":"這也是另外需要考量的部分，所以我是說，第一個我們希望審慎地評估，在合憲、合法的狀況之下我們一定是樂觀其成。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"吳委員琪銘","start":"2026-04-08T11:44:13.616000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:44:22.202000+08:00","text":"過去我們的公投就已經下修到18歲，過去應該也沒造成公投投票的混亂性，這一點我認為……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-08T11:44:25.645000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:44:32.211000+08:00","text":"對，因為屬於國家級的公投比較沒有戶籍的限制，但是年底的九合一選舉就有戶籍的限制。","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-08T11:44:32.351000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:44:43.061000+08:00","text":"你的戶籍不在那邊就不能選那邊的里長、議員、市長，這個在處理上面還是比較會有行政上的困難度。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-08T11:44:43.221000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:44:56.782000+08:00","text":"因為九合一選舉真的是有9張選票，說不定還更多，因為有原住民的部分，所以這個處理起來可能會有一些困擾，但是無論怎麼樣，我們都尊重大院最後的決定。好的。","quality":0.985},{"speaker":"吳委員琪銘","start":"2026-04-08T11:44:59.108000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:45:14.374000+08:00","text":"還有針對一點，就是政治獻金法裡面所規定的，我們在選舉的時候，大部分的地方選舉跟區域性的選舉應該都以10月最高，或是11月吧？","quality":0.887},{"speaker":"吳委員琪銘","start":"2026-04-08T11:45:16.314000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:45:22.997000+08:00","text":"對於這個比例，因為現在各黨都有初選的問題，是不是這個政治獻金法可以把它拉長？","quality":0.743},{"speaker":"吳委員琪銘","start":"2026-04-08T11:45:22.997000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:45:25.109000+08:00","text":"這請部長……","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-08T11:45:25.109000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:45:28.351000+08:00","text":"我是不是請民政司長跟您回應一下好嗎？好的。","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"鄭司長英弘","start":"2026-04-08T11:45:29.652000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:45:45.080000+08:00","text":"報告委員，現在政治獻金法裡有一個規定，可以收政治獻金的情況是，你是參選人，而且已經開立專戶，經過監察院的許可，而且是在這個可以收受的期間之內。","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"鄭司長英弘","start":"2026-04-08T11:45:45.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:45:53.365000+08:00","text":"如果參加初選的人，在這個可以收受的期間之內的話是可以收受政治獻金的。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"鄭司長英弘","start":"2026-04-08T11:45:53.545000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:46:12.729000+08:00","text":"關於目前收受政治獻金的期間，總統是一年，立法委員是10個月，縣市長、直轄市縣市長、議員等等是8個月，鄉鎮市民代表、村里長是4個月，總體的情況大概是這樣子。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"鄭司長英弘","start":"2026-04-08T11:46:13.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:46:29.388000+08:00","text":"如果拉長接受政治獻金的期間的話，可能會跟在任者的職權與收受政治獻金產生混合的情況，這個對於清廉政治的部分可能要再做個考慮。","quality":0.828},{"speaker":"吳委員琪銘","start":"2026-04-08T11:46:30.510000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:46:31.030000+08:00","text":"好的、好的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員琪銘","start":"2026-04-08T11:46:32.331000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:46:58.585000+08:00","text":"本席提出的是能不能夠再延長，讓參選人在初選時也可以適用政治獻金法，這樣他的金錢管控也比較符合他所投入的，大家都尊重要依照正常的程序來走嘛！","quality":0.815},{"speaker":"吳委員琪銘","start":"2026-04-08T11:46:58.745000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:46:59.546000+08:00","text":"這是本席的看法。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"鄭司長英弘","start":"2026-04-08T11:47:01.508000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:47:16.662000+08:00","text":"關於這個部分，內政部會針對收受政治獻金的期間來研議，因為也會有在任者參與選舉，而在任者收受政治獻金會不會跟他的職權產生衝突？","quality":0.741},{"speaker":"鄭司長英弘","start":"2026-04-08T11:47:17.303000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:47:22.569000+08:00","text":"這個部分可能必須要再做思考，這部分我們會審慎來研議。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"吳委員琪銘","start":"2026-04-08T11:47:22.569000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:47:23.129000+08:00","text":"好的，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T11:47:23.629000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:47:26.771857+08:00","text":"下一位請邱志偉委員發言。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T11:47:27.071857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:47:30.214714+08:00","text":"邱志偉、邱志偉、邱志偉不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T11:47:30.514714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:47:33.657571+08:00","text":"下一位請林淑芬委員發言。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T11:47:33.957571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:47:37.100429+08:00","text":"林淑芬、林淑芬、林淑芬不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T11:47:37.400429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:47:40.543286+08:00","text":"下一位請鄭正鈐委員發言。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T11:47:40.843286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:47:43.986143+08:00","text":"鄭正鈐、鄭正鈐、鄭正鈐不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T11:47:44.286143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:47:47.429000+08:00","text":"下一位請盧縣一委員發言。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T11:47:47.729000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:47:50.871857+08:00","text":"盧縣一、盧縣一、盧縣一不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T11:47:51.171857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:47:54.314714+08:00","text":"下一位請徐欣瑩委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}