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國安局在今天的報告裡面也在提到說今年的工作的重點就是防範中共透過各種管道級方式滲透乃至於介入今年年底的地方選舉就是我們所謂的中共借選那這個問題本身也要講清楚就是說如果中共對台灣今年的選舉進行借選那確實是對我國這三十幾年來辛苦建立這個民主制度是一個很大的威脅"},{"start":267.463,"end":296.923,"text":"但是因為這個議題是高度的敏感然後嚴重影響那我想要問一個關鍵問題就是說國安體系在整個應對中共借權的同時它有沒有可能會反過來影響到我們國內內部的選舉的風向那因為從國安局的報告裡面大概應該 剛剛局長也說嘛你也掌握大量的借權的情質包括說正義的訊息啦 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這個不會所以這道國安層級的是 那個爭議的訊息它有可能會影響到國家安全或社會秩序的穩定那甚至是說在那個爭訊的過程當中有去傷害到我們跟友盟重要的合作關係或是去污蔑我們的國家元首"},{"start":533.985,"end":557.821,"text":"那我們有定位幾個主要的一種徵訊的類型有達到國安層級我們的系統才會啟動那所以我想跟委員說明的是國安層級的爭議訊息跟一般選舉期間可能選區的這一些選舉策略的攻防那還是有一個區隔在那這部分前委員可以放心我們會拿捏那個尺度好 謝謝局長非常清楚的說明那以上謝謝謝謝黃委員謝謝主席謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-08T12:02:44.885000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:02:47.847000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，有請國安局蔡局長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T12:02:48.287000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:02:53.630000+08:00","text":"請局長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T12:02:53.950000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:02:54.590000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，黃委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-08T12:02:56.171000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:02:56.431000+08:00","text":"局長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-08T12:02:57.372000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:03:12.660000+08:00","text":"今天是國安局的業務報告，我們都曉得國安局負責的就是臺灣跟國際間的情報安全工作，剛剛國安局也針對近期美伊戰爭的影響及中國大陸對我國近期威脅進行報告。","quality":0.986},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-08T12:03:14.381000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:03:32.923000+08:00","text":"尤其近期美伊戰爭導致全球能源、石化供應鏈大亂，臺灣不僅石油漲價，連石化產業也因原物料的供應減少被迫停工，導致全臺缺塑膠袋的亂象，影響臺灣的民生經濟。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-08T12:03:33.023000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:03:47.246000+08:00","text":"今天早上8點是川普總統要求伊朗重啟荷姆茲海峽的最後期限，所幸美伊兩國同意停戰兩週，約定在4月10日再重啟談判。","quality":0.854},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-08T12:03:48.006000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:03:57.962000+08:00","text":"未來兩國是否會停戰仍待觀察，如果戰爭持續，對臺灣能源跟石化工業會影響越來越嚴重。","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-08T12:03:58.923000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:04:07.951000+08:00","text":"國安局既然都掌握到國際情勢的變化，本席想要就教局長，國安局內部研判美伊戰爭是否會停止？","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-08T12:04:08.752000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:04:11.815000+08:00","text":"如果戰爭仍然持續，國安局內部評估對我們國內經濟的影響會有多大？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-08T12:04:17.183000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:04:25.389000+08:00","text":"本席之所以這樣問，因為國安局必須掌握國際情勢，分析未來局勢的發展，提供給行政院及相關部會提早做應變。","quality":0.717},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-08T12:04:25.389000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:04:34.815000+08:00","text":"像這次的塑膠袋之亂，看起來就是經濟部沒有掌握好，導致沒辦法及時啟動應變的機制，整個國際的變化又很快速。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-08T12:04:35.396000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:04:45.004000+08:00","text":"這部分我想請國安局務必要做好情蒐的工作報告，適時提供給行政院跟相關部會，讓他們可以在第一時間儘快做出相應的措施。","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T12:04:46.665000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:04:49.648000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員的提醒跟關切。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T12:04:50.308000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:05:08.296000+08:00","text":"因為中東的情勢在今年2月28日美國發動對伊朗的攻擊行動之後，牽動到的就不只是中東地緣政治的變化，也影響到荷姆茲海峽航運的安全，進而影響到全球能源供應的穩定性，造成的衝擊是全面性的、全球性的。","quality":0.965},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T12:05:09.216000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:05:21.566000+08:00","text":"在相關情資蒐集的部分，我們跟國際友盟都有在不斷交換情資，也透過國安首長會議跟行政院的系統做相關的分析跟報告。","quality":0.961},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T12:05:22.127000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:05:28.953000+08:00","text":"我所知道的是，行政院有物價穩定跟油價穩定小組，應該定期會對外說明跟發布。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T12:05:29.693000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:05:44.049000+08:00","text":"至於怎麼處理，我想委員應該可以理解，我們必須要尊重行政院的處理，因為我們比較像是上游情資分析的系統，提供這個情勢讓行政院可以來做必要的應處，我們尊重行政院的處理。","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T12:05:45.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:05:56.256000+08:00","text":"後續可能還是要注意的是，因為這次能源供應穩定性的衝擊，委員剛剛的問題是在時間點，什麼時候停戰？","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T12:05:56.396000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:05:58.057000+08:00","text":"停戰之後會不會有影響？","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T12:05:58.157000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:06:19.906000+08:00","text":"我必須要跟委員報告，即使停戰，可能衝擊的效應還是會持續存在，因為畢竟中東當地有一些煉油的設施確實在戰事當中受到波及，必須要做一些復原，所以涉及到國際上各個國家都不斷在調度相關的油跟氣的供應。","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T12:06:20.386000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:06:27.668000+08:00","text":"這部分我們有提供相關的資訊，也希望行政院在看相關問題的時候，不只是短期，可以用中長期的規劃，要有一些處置。","quality":0.854},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-08T12:06:30.349000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:06:32.211000+08:00","text":"因為石油是民生之母。對。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-08T12:06:32.651000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:06:44.178000+08:00","text":"所有東西都用得到，包括醫藥相關也都會有，所以這個部分提早讓他們做準備，包括要怎麼應對接下來的情況，我想這是局裡面能夠第一時間掌握情資，給他們做分析。好、對。","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-08T12:06:47.421000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:06:59.533000+08:00","text":"接下來，國安局在今天的報告裡有提到，今年的工作重點就是防範中共透過各種管道及方式滲透乃至於介入今年年底的地方選舉，也就是所謂的中共介選。","quality":0.891},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-08T12:07:00.253000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:07:09.542000+08:00","text":"針對這個問題，本席要講清楚，如果中共對臺灣今年的選舉進行介選，確實對我國這三十幾年來辛苦建立的民主制度是一個很大的威脅。","quality":0.911},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-08T12:07:10.463000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:07:24.312000+08:00","text":"但是因為這個議題是高度的敏感，而且嚴重影響，我想要問一個關鍵問題，就是國安體系在整個應對中共介選的同時，有沒有可能會反過來影響到我們國內內部的選舉風向？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-08T12:07:25.513000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:07:37.101000+08:00","text":"從國安局的報告裡面，剛才局長也說你掌握大量的介選情資，包括爭議的訊息、異常的帳號、深偽的內容，還有就是金流及地下賭盤種種。","quality":0.855},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-08T12:07:37.101000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:07:39.923000+08:00","text":"我想請教這些資訊對外揭露的標準是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-08T12:07:40.663000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:07:45.166000+08:00","text":"是全面的，或是即時公開，或者是選擇性地釋出？","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-08T12:07:45.987000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:07:51.130000+08:00","text":"如果是選擇性的話，那是由誰決定、什麼時候講、講多少、要講給誰聽？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-08T12:07:51.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:08:01.756000+08:00","text":"因為這些訊息一旦在選舉期間釋出，它本身就足以影響到整個社會氛圍跟選民的判斷，甚至會影響整個大選的結果。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-08T12:08:03.438000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:08:16.267000+08:00","text":"我舉個例子，像我們前立委孔文吉當年到大陸參加少數民族的活動，後來被指控違反反滲透法，而且他在競選期間被偵辦。","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-08T12:08:16.427000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:08:21.531000+08:00","text":"後來經花蓮地檢署偵結，結論是全部不起訴處分，但是它有沒有影響到選舉結果？","quality":0.848},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-08T12:08:21.551000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:08:22.392000+08:00","text":"確實有影響嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-08T12:08:22.952000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:08:30.739000+08:00","text":"另外還有前陣子才發生的，是我們這一屆發生的，就是民進黨的前立委有疑似不雅的影片流出。","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-08T12:08:31.659000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:08:32.200000+08:00","text":"為什麼要用「疑似」？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-08T12:08:32.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:08:41.892000+08:00","text":"就是因為影片送到國安局，都沒有辦法去證明這個影片到底是真的還是偽造的，所以外界會質疑這個是不是有不同的標準或是在護航。","quality":0.982},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-08T12:08:44.144000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:09:01.148000+08:00","text":"先前吳宗憲委員在質詢的時候其實也提到，根據法務部的統計資料，在2024年大選期間違反反滲透法和選罷法的案件中，不起訴的人數高達416人，也就是將近八成的案件都不起訴、都無罪哦！","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-08T12:09:01.968000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:09:05.729000+08:00","text":"我舉這些例子就是要說明一件事情足以影響一場選舉。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-08T12:09:09.150000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:09:23.434000+08:00","text":"我講得白一點，現在選舉期間，「中共介選」4個字本身就具有高度的政治效果，如果沒有嚴格的標準跟監督的話，會不會把一般政治攻防解讀成介選的行為？","quality":0.855},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-08T12:09:23.434000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:09:28.896000+08:00","text":"或者把特定的言論直接貼上「認知作戰」的標籤？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-08T12:09:28.896000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:09:34.958000+08:00","text":"這樣的結果不只是防止外力，也可能會壓縮到我們國內言論自由的空間。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-08T12:09:37.059000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:09:47.824000+08:00","text":"本席要強調的是，防範中共介選非常重要，但是同樣重要的是，我們不能在防範外部干預的同時，也讓我們這個制度失去了中立性。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-08T12:09:48.565000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:10:01.832000+08:00","text":"因為國安體系的權力越大，就更需要越透明或是更節制來監督它，不然這個社會一旦產生反介選，是不是也在影響選舉的結果，會讓人有懷疑？","quality":0.948},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-08T12:10:02.532000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:10:09.097000+08:00","text":"那傷害的不是選舉的結果而已，它傷害的是整個民主制度的信任基礎。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-08T12:10:09.217000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:10:19.083000+08:00","text":"所以我要請國安局清楚大聲地說，我們的作為是確保、防衛民主，而不是在介入民主。","quality":0.853},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-08T12:10:19.083000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T12:10:21.205000+08:00","text":"請局長回應。","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T12:10:21.205000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:10:38.335000+08:00","text":"第一點跟委員說明的是，我想委員應該可以同意，民主選舉是我們中華民國最重要的憲政制度跟主要的政治價值，所以確保我們民主選舉的過程跟結果不受外力的干擾是最核心的任務，也是我們國安局的使命。","quality":0.989},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T12:10:39.075000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:10:42.156000+08:00","text":"第二個部分是公布中共介選的樣態。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T12:10:42.156000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:10:51.801000+08:00","text":"委員可能也會注意到，不管是在今天的業報，還是我們以前都有年度的專報，我們大概所呈現的都是基本的樣態跟那些手法。","quality":0.961},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T12:10:52.602000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:11:02.989000+08:00","text":"在今天的詢答或是在各個場合當中，我都不會去涉入到個案的部分，這是我們在處理上的一個基本原則，講的是一種總體性的樣態跟手法，不談個案。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T12:11:04.069000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:11:09.413000+08:0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