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邱委員好邱委員您今天的報告 我想跟您請教 討論幾個問題有關於這個美國在印太的這些戰略要建構拒止防禦的體系以美日同盟為核心搭配美日加N大概很具體就是韓國 菲律賓 澳洲"},{"start":34.197,"end":58.392,"text":"澳飛這個建立起一個應待安全合作機制在四個面向指揮整合 臨演聯訓導練惡控跟後勤支援台灣有沒有可能成為N的部分但是不是四項都參與啦我意思說是不是指揮整合也可以跟美日來提出這個要求"},{"start":60.014,"end":75.551,"text":"後勤資源我們也可以扮演一定的角色你如果說要連演連訓可能目前階段有一定的難度可不可以從這兩個部分去切入國家有沒有這個戰略怎麼樣去融入美日加恩的這個安保體系"},{"start":76.566,"end":104.155,"text":"對 現在確實美國印太戰略很強調是島鏈的阻絕防禦的網絡雙邊的網絡 多邊的網絡那在過程當中委員有提到台灣怎麼樣切入這個網絡來串聯起我們跟友盟一個更堅強的一個防線那不過委員剛剛所提到的不管是連眼聯訊或後勤補給因為它比較涉及到的是國防部的業務啦我比較不適合在國防部 國防部很多同仁也在嘛對啊 比較不適合講給國防部聽啦現在是國防部來 我還在問"},{"start":105.416,"end":123.218,"text":"特別是針對指揮整合後勤資源這是比較相對不是這個實兵演練的這些工作可以循序漸進的來推進所以我覺得國安局應該統合國防部跟外交部"},{"start":124.479,"end":151.321,"text":"來推動這個台灣加入美日加N的這個體系裡面你一定要有做法你要有策略你才能想辦法去執行如果連想都沒有這永遠不可能達成另外我最近看到日本防衛大臣跟外務大臣跟法國的防衛大臣就是他們的國防部長跟外交部長2 plus 22 plus 2"},{"start":154.346,"end":171.975,"text":"台灣有沒有可能有跟其他國家有官方政府間的2 plus 2針對國防外交的議題當然國會有 政黨也有國會跟日本有2 plus 2主要是針對這個安全跟這個外交政黨也有"},{"start":173.485,"end":188.219,"text":"國家間 台灣國家間能不能推動跟友好國家的2 plus 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還是中升到高持續升高當中"},{"start":297.225,"end":322.842,"text":"沒有天花板因為我不知道委員每個層級的定義是什麼我就沒有辦法針對目前的現況來符合到委員的定義三年之內他會垮台是高風險一年之內會垮台超高風險十年之後會垮台可能是主中風險二十年之後才會垮台是低風險治理住不好一定會垮台嘛對不對我剛剛講到我的標準"},{"start":326.743,"end":340.368,"text":"自理的風險在升高過程當中我們要注意但是中共也有它的一些因應內部問題的一些方式所以它是一個動態的過程他們因應的方式您知道嗎 您有掌握嗎"},{"start":340.828,"end":365.732,"text":"有啊,他們現在加強內部的內控內管,所以這部分...那我再繼續請教你,國外的治理風險能不能具體說明一下,他們國外的治理風險在哪裡?外部的治理風險我們在夜報當中特別提到的是美中的關係啦,那因為美國對中國不管是在地緣政治、科技管制、經貿還有關稅政策上都給中國蠻大的壓力,所以這造成中國在有內部問題的同時還要因應到外部的一個美國的一個施壓。"},{"start":366.072,"end":387.607,"text":"同時美國友盟也在進行這種非紅供應鏈的重組那這也讓中國的產業在發展過程當中被排擠在非紅供應鏈之外內外交迫對 所以它外部確實有這些的問題內外交迫另外 FOIP 自由開放的印太這個當然是安倍首相所提出來的 已經十年前提出來的每日都有相關的 FOIP 的戰略"},{"start":388.227,"end":399.159,"text":"我們有沒有POIP這相關的戰略規劃那基本上是符合我們的國家安全利益也就是說維持一個印太自由開放但要有能夠有效參與"},{"start":402.419,"end":421.618,"text":"這對我們也很重要跟我們說明一下在印太的自由開放裡面台海的和平穩定應該是最重要的一個那你要怎麼去做這不是一個口號沒有口號這也是我們剛剛一直在呼籲可能在一些國防的投資上面也要注意到周邊國家在這一方面都有相當緊急的建制我們目標是要POIP"},{"start":422.299,"end":430.751,"text":"要建立一個自由開放的印太要怎麼去建立要怎麼去達成一定要有相關的做法而且要去執行最後一個問題請問這個調查局陳局長年底"},{"start":439.008,"end":453.565,"text":"九合一的選舉年底九合一選舉非常複雜基層里長到縣市所長議員全部參選九合一是這個會影響選舉公平大概中國的屆選中國屆選剛剛局長已經答了很多了"},{"start":455.945,"end":481.674,"text":"這個會選的部分就需要調查局所以住區 住縣 住處的所有同仁調查局的同仁都非常優秀是 謝謝他們在辦理各項業務都很嚴謹所以查會是非常重要所以你要局長重視你這個局裡面的同仁就會重視每一個處 比方說高雄處 台南處什麼你只要下達這個嚴打 嚴查"},{"start":486.708,"end":502.813,"text":"這個會選他就不會那麼猖獗還是有會選會選會嚴重影響跟我們報告我已經在二月的時候召集所有的內外勤的主管已經下達了這個工作指令就已經開始在做這個規劃跟部署然後要有績效"},{"start":505.173,"end":528.002,"text":"這個要讓這個想要賄選的人不敢賄選之前的這些部署很重要是你不知道事後你全面展開的時候你的能力可能也不夠去去查事前的這些部署讓這些想要買票純粹運動的人不敢動這部分再拜託局長夾大力道好沒有問題謝謝委員支持"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-04-08T12:12:20.902000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:12:21.022000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-04-08T12:12:21.163000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:12:23.314000+08:00","text":"是不是請國安局蔡局長？","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T12:12:23.475000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:12:23.696000+08:00","text":"請蔡局長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T12:12:29.601000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:12:29.741000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T12:12:29.982000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:12:30.842000+08:00","text":"邱委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-04-08T12:12:30.842000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T12:12:31.842000+08:00","text":"局長好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-04-08T12:12:31.443000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:12:35.926000+08:00","text":"就您今天的報告，我想跟您請教、討論幾個問題。不敢！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-04-08T12:12:35.926000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:12:47.934000+08:00","text":"有關於美國在印太的戰略，要建構拒止防禦的體系，以美日同盟為核心，搭配「美日+N」。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-04-08T12:12:49.095000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:13:06.265000+08:00","text":"大概很具體就是韓國、菲律賓和澳洲要建立起一個印太安全合作的機制，包含4個面向：指揮整合、聯演聯訓、島鏈扼控及後勤支援。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-04-08T12:13:07.665000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:13:09.747000+08:00","text":"臺灣有沒有可能成為N的部分？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-04-08T12:13:11.348000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:13:22.337000+08:00","text":"但是不是4項都參與，我的意思是，是不是指揮整合也可以跟美日來提出要求，在後勤支援上，我們也可以扮演一定的角色？","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-04-08T12:13:23.017000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:13:29.304000+08:00","text":"如果要聯演聯訓，可能現階段有一定的難度，可不可以從這兩個部分去切入？","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-04-08T12:13:30.505000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:13:35.531000+08:00","text":"國家有沒有這個戰略，怎麼樣去融入「美日+N」的安保體系？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T12:13:36.566000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:13:42.808000+08:00","text":"現在確實美國印太戰略很強調的是島鏈阻絕防禦的雙邊網絡、多邊網絡。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T12:13:43.108000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:13:57.313000+08:00","text":"在過程當中，委員有提到臺灣怎麼樣切入這個網絡來串聯起我們跟友盟更堅強的防線，不過委員剛剛所提到的，不管是聯演聯訓或後勤補給，因為它比較涉及到的是國防部的業務，我比較不適合去……","quality":0.877},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-04-08T12:13:57.313000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T12:13:58.313000+08:00","text":"我問過國防部很多同仁，你也在嘛？對啦！","quality":0.062},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T12:13:57.433000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:13:58.153000+08:00","text":"我比較不適合去替他……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-04-08T12:14:01.694000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:14:04.155000+08:00","text":"你講給國防部聽，下次國防部來，我還會再問。","quality":0.722},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-04-08T12:14:05.416000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:14:18.853000+08:00","text":"我特別是針對指揮整合、後勤支援，這個相對不是實兵演練的工作，可以循序漸進地來推動。","quality":0.838},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T12:14:18.853000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T12:14:19.853000+08:00","text":"對，敏感性比較低。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-04-08T12:14:19.674000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:14:28.603000+08:00","text":"所以我覺得國安局應該統合國防部跟外交部，來推動臺灣加入「美日+N」的體系裡面。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-04-08T12:14:29.163000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:14:36.249000+08:00","text":"你一定要有做法，你要有策略，才能想辦法去執行，如果連想都沒有，這永遠不可能達成。對。","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-04-08T12:14:37.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:15:01.910000+08:00","text":"另外，我最近看到日本防衛大臣和外務大臣跟法國的國防部長跟外交部長召開2+2會議，臺灣有沒有可能跟其他國家有官方政府間的2+2，針對國防、外交的議題？","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-04-08T12:15:01.910000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:15:03.431000+08:00","text":"當然國會有，政黨也有。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-04-08T12:15:05.171000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:15:10.514000+08:00","text":"國會跟日本有2+2，主要是針對安全跟外交。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-04-08T12:15:11.535000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:15:11.955000+08:00","text":"政黨也有。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-04-08T12:15:14.186000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:15:17.149000+08:00","text":"臺灣能不能推動跟友好國家間的2+2？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-04-08T12:15:19.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:15:19.271000+08:00","text":"有沒有可能？","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T12:15:20.051000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:15:27.318000+08:00","text":"我想任何可能性都存在，有一些雙、多邊的合作也都有在推展，只是可能沒有辦法……","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-04-08T12:15:27.418000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:15:28.199000+08:00","text":"你確定有在推展？","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T12:15:28.899000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:15:30.240000+08:00","text":"對，有在接觸，也都有在推展。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T12:15:30.961000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:15:41.288000+08:00","text":"我們剛剛也跟委員在業務報告有提到，包括供應鏈的韌性、防衛裝備零組件的生產，美國也邀請我們用顧問的身分來參加韌性夥伴關係。","quality":0.911},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-04-08T12:15:41.809000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:15:47.493000+08:00","text":"也許不太可能一次到部長層級，可以到次長層級，循序漸進。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-04-08T12:15:47.493000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:15:49.375000+08:00","text":"這個一定要做，而不是可能性而已！","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-04-08T12:15:49.836000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:15:54.621000+08:00","text":"要把可能性變成一個事實，這對臺灣安全至關重要。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-04-08T12:15:55.141000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:16:02.990000+08:00","text":"另外，有關日本、南韓跟澳大利亞軍工產業的非紅供應鏈，臺灣有沒有積極去爭取加入？","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-04-08T12:16:02.990000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T12:16:04.875000+08:00","text":"報告裡面寫的啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T12:16:04.875000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:16:16.091000+08:00","text":"有，我剛剛有提到，美國是用顧問的身分邀請我們參加韌性夥伴關係的計畫，這部分就是有點在針對軍需產品的非紅供應鏈。","quality":0.863},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-04-08T12:16:16.091000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:16:18.414000+08:00","text":"這個不是美國，是日本、南韓跟澳洲。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T12:16:19.115000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:16:19.796000+08:00","text":"有，委員可以再翻到……","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-04-08T12:16:22.319000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:16:22.980000+08:00","text":"翻到哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T12:16:22.980000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:16:28.866000+08:00","text":"翻到第6項，第6項就講到全球對於供應鏈安全的重視那一段。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-04-08T12:16:29.006000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:16:32.910000+08:00","text":"你們有這個想法，而且有做法，而且正在做，這樣我就比較放心了。好。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-04-08T12:16:33.931000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:16:39.337000+08:00","text":"另外，你的報告裡面提到，中國面臨國內外治理風險。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-04-08T12:16:39.337000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:16:41.839000+08:00","text":"風險有很多種，有超高風險、高風險、中度風險跟低風險。","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-04-08T12:16:45.910000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:16:51.883000+08:00","text":"國安局研判中共目前面臨的國內、國外的治理風險是屬於哪一個層級的風險？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-04-08T12:16:54.747000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:17:00.230000+08:00","text":"我有4個選項：超高風險、高風險、中風險跟低風險。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T12:17:00.230000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:17:09.335000+08:00","text":"因為委員有自己的4個風險的指標，我不知道委員不同風險指標的定義是什麼，但是可以跟委員講的是那個風險在升高當中。","quality":0.804},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-04-08T12:17:09.335000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T12:17:10.956000+08:00","text":"升高當中？對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-04-08T12:17:10.956000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:17:12.697000+08:00","text":"是由哪邊升到哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-04-08T12:17:12.697000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:17:14.178000+08:00","text":"從低升到中，還是中升到高？","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T12:17:14.758000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:17:15.358000+08:00","text":"持續升高當中。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-04-08T12:17:17.225000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:17:17.645000+08:00","text":"沒有天花板嗎？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T12:17:18.346000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:17:24.670000+08:00","text":"因為我不知道委員每個層級的定義是什麼，我就沒有辦法針對目前的現況來符合到委員的定義。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-04-08T12:17:24.830000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:17:28.252000+08:00","text":"3年之內他會垮臺，這是高風險，對不對？","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-04-08T12:17:28.332000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:17:38.799000+08:00","text":"1年之內會垮臺，超高風險；10年之後會垮臺，可能是屬中風險；20年之後才會垮臺，是低風險。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-04-08T12:17:38.799000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:17:42.081000+08:00","text":"因為治理做不好，一定會垮臺，對不對？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-04-08T12:17:42.081000+08:00"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中國介選，剛剛局長已經答了很多了。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-04-08T12:19:55.945000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:20:06.549000+08:00","text":"賄選的部分就需要調查局，所以駐區、駐縣、駐處的所有同仁……調查局同仁都非常優秀。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"陳局長白立","start":"2026-04-08T12:20:06.869000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:20:07.849000+08:00","text":"是，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-04-08T12:20:07.849000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:20:09.510000+08:00","text":"他們在辦理各項業務也都很嚴謹。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-04-08T12:20:10.991000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:20:18.413000+08:00","text":"查賄是非常重要的，局長重視，你局裡面的同仁就會重視。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-04-08T12:20:18.413000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:20:28.529000+08:00","text":"每一個處，比方高雄處、臺南處等等，你只要下達嚴打、嚴查，賄選就不會那麼猖獗。","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-04-08T12:20:28.529000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:20:30.730000+08:00","text":"還是有賄選哦！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-04-08T12:20:30.730000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:20:32.110000+08:00","text":"賄選會嚴重影響選舉結果。","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"陳局長白立","start":"2026-04-08T12:20:32.110000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:20:40.852000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我在2月的時候召集所有內外勤的主管，已經下達了工作指令，就已經開始在做規劃跟部署。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-04-08T12:20:41.693000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:20:42.793000+08:00","text":"然後要有績效。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳局長白立","start":"2026-04-08T12:20:45.173000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:20:45.173000+08:00","text":"這當然！","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-04-08T12:20:45.173000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:20:56.997000+08:00","text":"要讓想要賄選的人不敢賄選，所以之前的部署很重要，不要等到事後你全面展開的時候，你的人力可能也不夠去查。","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-04-08T12:20:57.698000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:21:06.341000+08:00","text":"事前的部署讓這些想要買票、蠢蠢欲動的人不敢動，這部分再拜託局長加大力道。","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"陳局長白立","start":"2026-04-08T12:21:06.961000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:21:07.982000+08:00","text":"沒有問題，謝謝委員支持。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T12:21:08.482000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T12:21:09.624857+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T12:21:09.924857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T12:21:16.496286+08:00","text":"剛才委員有提到的這些部分，再麻煩大家回去檢討一下。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T12:21:16.796286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T12:21:39.367714+08:00","text":"昨天我們在辦理論壇的時候，蒙哥馬利海軍將軍也提到我們臺灣的協同能力、機密傳輸能力的投資非常地不到位，如果美日軍艦在10分鐘可以建立起機密的通訊，他直接說臺灣的紀德艦要兩天。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T12:21:39.667714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T12:21:45.667714+08:00","text":"48小時跟10分鐘，那表示我們在這個地方的投資還不夠。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T12:21:45.967714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T12:21:56.539143+08:00","text":"今天很多委員都提到安全核可的部分，其實我們兩年前有提出相關的法案，剛才也有提到。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T12:21:56.839143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T12:22:27.982000+08:00","text":"可是我還是建議院版還是可以出來，看一下美國的做法，我們就不用重新發明，如果我們要跟他們有更好的共接的話，這個東西可能要快，不然每天、每月都還是會有類似的樣態出現，對所有的行政機關也好，立法機關也好，大家都會受到一些名譽上的損害，這樣不太好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T12:22:28.282000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T12:22:35.710571+08:00","text":"已登記質詢委員除不在場者外，均已發言完畢，報告及詢答結束。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T12:22:36.010571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T12:22:47.153429+08:00","text":"本週會議有黃仁委員、馬文君委員、林宜瑾委員、徐巧芯委員提出書面質詢，請列入紀錄，刊登公報。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T12:22:47.453429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T12:22:57.739143+08:00","text":"委員書面及口頭質詢未及答復部分或要求補充資料者，請相關機關兩週內以書面答復。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T12:22:58.039143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T12:23:01.753429+08:00","text":"委員另有指定期限者，從其所定。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T12:23:02.053429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T12:23:08.339143+08:00","text":"以上如有涉及機密部分，請確實依相關保密規定處理。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}