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其實我們自然處各個領域大家都可以參與對 人文社會上應該是要這樣子一個保障但是那個自然科學我覺得是不是可以有一些機制就像本席所講的第二跟第三點如何讓原住民來參與而不是只有被研究所以這個是需要一點時間來做討論的"},{"start":309.963,"end":338.121,"text":"他們參與從來沒有限制過所有的學者都可以參與我們國會所有的領域的計畫所以為了促進這個科技人才的一個發展所以是不是可以再討論一些比較更細緻的方式來鼓勵原住民的學者在這一些內容上有更多更主體性的一個參與我們是可以從現在的這個機制來鼓勵他們也提醒他們說不是只有研究現有的這個範圍"},{"start":340.042,"end":361.737,"text":"也就是在生物跟科技上那都可以設計出來一些機制來做相關的獨立好不好自然科學包含物理化學生物等等那個領域另外一個就是剛剛委員有提到就是跨領域的這種合作一個是我們整合型計畫裡面也可以有這種跨領域這應該都沒問題"},{"start":363.098,"end":389.297,"text":"好那是不是就請那個會裡面就更具體的就這個部分來做一些討論好不好是是我跟委員報告就是說其實我們已經在會裡面包括邀請相關的專家還有我們會裡面跨處的協調我們預計在明年度我們就會整合自然處還有工程處還有生科處跟人文然後去回應剛剛委員所提到的規劃很具體的主題"},{"start":391.058,"end":404.748,"text":"這樣挺好的所以本席這邊也就做一個中整希望你們能夠設計專門支持原住民族的這個自然科學的一個整合型的計畫然後第二個部分是跨領域的機制要推動原住民的知識共同的一個生產"},{"start":405.689,"end":430.511,"text":"那第三個部分是那怎麼樣來將原住民的知識系統更具體的連結到生物氣候農業的科學這個領域那希望你們這個部分能夠有更具體的一些作為跟計畫還有會議的一些相關的資料本行會後也會再跟你們做一些索取那這個是第一個部分那第二個部分本行很快也就是你們目前有這個發射場"},{"start":432.433,"end":457.719,"text":"那目前應該是在南回屏東這邊那有沒有機會透過這樣一個太空發展的政策來落實在地人才培育跟區域的一個平衡也就是我們依據太空發展法的第十四條跟第七款那來結合在地的供應鏈營造更友善的一個環境那本席在這邊就為原住民來做一個發聲那我們知道你們的基地會在旭海附近"},{"start":458.339,"end":479.606,"text":"那麼我們有沒有可能在這個建立一個南回太空產業人才培育的基地然後從國中高中到科技技職教育做系統性的銜接本行業會在相關的不同的單位裡面來做嫁接跟這個媒合那我們希望能夠在國中的階段就可以透過國科會來補助"},{"start":481.506,"end":498.053,"text":"國家太空中心跟大學的團隊來擴大推動行動火箭的一個實驗室到原鄉的學校然後讓學生從小就有接觸太空的一個機會來培養興趣那高中呢就可以在平刻時鐘應該是你們目前會有一些連結的"},{"start":499.133,"end":527.347,"text":"在這個基礎上也來串接花東地區的一個學校讓課程能夠在這個複合的材料電子通訊跟無人機方面還有火箭維修我想原住民的技術層面也是蠻強的所以這個部分是不是就可以做這樣一個嫁接所以第一個部分是國會會可不可以依據太空發展法的一個授權來規劃類似像這樣一個區域型人才的培育基地而不是很零散的只有科普活動"},{"start":527.967,"end":549.074,"text":"那第二個部分是那你們在目前補助航太研究的計畫是不是有機制要求學界來回饋地方那這個回饋地方的方式就比如說讓教授或研究團隊定期的進入南回相關的學校來進行培育而不是只有留在大學體系那這個部分是不是可以請主委這邊做個回應"},{"start":550.494,"end":578.792,"text":"謝謝委員我想這個建議很好了我們人才培育是全國性的不會只限定在一個區域但是對於我們在花東地區因為南邊還有屏東也延續到花東地區因為有我們的火箭化石產業因為這個南回其實也有一些通路我會請我們的太空中心來思考一下怎麼樣結合當地的大學來帶頭然後擴散到中小學來培育其實也不一定當地的大學而已"},{"start":579.232,"end":603.222,"text":"就像國科會裡面的各處是研究的這個團體對 因為基地的關係啦 他們要帶頭去做這個然後我們的學者是全國性的全國性的學者跟那個團隊其實也都可以一起來做長期的合作然後跟地方政府的合作我們也會做我們太空中心也會做將來這個人才培育的基地因為如果需要編列相關的這個經費"},{"start":604.082,"end":625.534,"text":"我們也會來協助所以希望能夠藉這樣一個科技發展的這個計畫太空的計畫然後讓這個屏東 花東都有機會來參與我們國家最前端的一個科技 好不好相關的科普的部分我們科國處也會來協助不是只有科普也要更專業一點從小學一直到從小就是科普對 小朋友不可能專業一定是科普大學就是專業但是要帶動中小學科普的教育對對好 謝謝主委好 謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-08T12:19:00.077000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:19:01.118000+08:00","text":"主席，請吳主委，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T12:19:01.118000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T12:19:12.023000+08:00","text":"林委員好。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-08T12:19:12.023000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:19:12.243000+08:00","text":"主委好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-08T12:19:13.785000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:19:24.557000+08:00","text":"本席在總質詢時提過原住民科技教育的推動方向，因此，今天要就二個層面與你一起討論。","quality":0.73},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-08T12:19:24.698000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:19:39.749000+08:00","text":"第一個部分就是如何讓原住民在研究的部分從一貫的客體成為一個主體：第二個部分就是如何透過國家的政策推動來培育在地的原住民科學人才。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-08T12:19:40.670000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:19:42.470000+08:00","text":"以上是今天的二個主題。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-08T12:19:42.931000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:20:19.530000+08:00","text":"本席還是非常感謝，在你到任後讓國科會人文社會科學的原住民研究從原本只有整合型到現在可以進行個別型的研究，因為各大學的研究常常在整合型研究的方向上，你們又希望大家能做族群關係的研究，因此我希望這個部分能夠拿掉，讓大家更自由的在研究層面上發展，這是本席希望你們能夠做的。","quality":0.825},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-08T12:20:21.792000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:21:06.187000+08:00","text":"根據本席長期對於原住民族研究的理解，其實我們一直都還是在人文社會的框架裡，但是整個原住民族知識體系的科學內涵其實是有它的價值，而且原民會也有注意到這樣的情況，110年到114年建構原住民族教育文化知識體系當中的中長程計畫也提到，譬如雅美族的海洋知識，其所蘊藏的魚種分類、傳統習慣與生產技術都沒有被列入或關聯至生物學或漁業科學的研究領域，因此，本席提出國際間原住民在科學研究領域中的一些例子供你們參考。","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-08T12:21:06.748000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:21:26.682000+08:00","text":"在生態治理上，生物科學期刊BioScience2020年的文獻中其實有提到，美洲傳統原住民的捕魚方式能夠維持鮭魚的族群穩定，它的永續效果也優於現在的大規模商業捕撈，這是科學相關的研究。","quality":0.928},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-08T12:21:27.162000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:21:38.912000+08:00","text":"另外，在農業的部分，美洲原住民的三姊妹混作系統，利用植物的互補關係，也被認為能夠提高產量及土地的利用效率。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-08T12:21:39.953000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:21:57.870000+08:00","text":"這些都不是只有文化研究，而是達到了自然科學的領域，因此，國科會推動原住民族的研究計畫時是不是可以不要一直把這個知識定位在只是人文社會科學，也可以從科學知識體系的角度來看待它？","quality":0.841},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-08T12:21:58.711000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:22:18.939000+08:00","text":"本席要請教第一個部分，如同我剛才所講的，人文社會科學領域只有研究族群關係的方向是不是能夠稍微解構，讓大家在人文社會科學上無論是整合型或個別型都可以自由的進行相關的研究，這是第一個部分。","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-08T12:22:19.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:22:27.584000+08:00","text":"第二個部分，你們在115年的整合性計畫有沒有明確的機制鼓勵原住民族參與自然科學的研究？","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-08T12:22:28.244000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:22:40.171000+08:00","text":"譬如生態、氣候變遷、農業科技及材料科學等等，而不是只有人文學科，比較具體一點就是在原住民的概念上也能夠被實務的羅列。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-08T12:22:41.092000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:22:53.620000+08:00","text":"第三個部分，在推動跨領域的整合型研究上是不是有意識的促進原住民族的知識與現代科學的共同研究，而不是單向的被研究？","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-08T12:22:54.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:22:57.861000+08:00","text":"這三個部分是不是可以請主委給我一個回應？","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T12:22:57.861000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:23:00.782000+08:00","text":"委員剛剛提到的幾點，我都滿認同的。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T12:23:01.803000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:23:11.046000+08:00","text":"第一點，有關原住民族學者的研究不一定要限定在只研究族群的文化……對。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T12:23:14.568000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:23:16.268000+08:00","text":"我覺得剛剛提的這個例子很好啦！","quality":0.643},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T12:23:17.309000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:23:19.189000+08:00","text":"我們人文處這邊應該會把……","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-08T12:23:21.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:23:26.814000+08:00","text":"我覺得這個部分應該相對很具體、很簡單，也就是把那個方向更開放一點。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T12:23:26.814000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T12:23:27.814000+08:00","text":"對，開放那個方向。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-08T12:23:26.934000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:23:29.896000+08:00","text":"那個帽子不要一直蓋在研究的方向上。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T12:23:29.976000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:23:42.426000+08:00","text":"對，但是，如果要保障原住民學者的話，我們還是得要在某種範圍之內，不然，所有的學者……其實，我們自然處的各個領域大家都可以參與啊！","quality":0.945},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-08T12:23:42.426000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:23:55.279000+08:00","text":"對，人文科學方面應該是要有這樣的保障，但是我覺得自然科學方面是不是可以有一些機制，就像本席所講的第二點及第三點，如何讓原住民能夠參與，而不是只有被研究？","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-08T12:23:56.661000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:23:5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個部分是不是可以請主委做一個回應？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T12:27:59.494000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:28:00.215000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T12:28:00.215000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:28:05.518000+08:00","text":"我想這個建議很好，我們人才培育是全國性的，不會只限定在一個區域。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T12:28:05.918000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:28:15.064000+08:00","text":"但是我們在花東地區，因為南邊還有屏東，也會延續到花東地區，因為有我們的火箭發射團隊……","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-08T12:28:15.904000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:28:17.485000+08:00","text":"南迴其實也有一些通路可以連繫。是。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T12:28:17.926000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:28:25.350000+08:00","text":"我會請我們的太空中心思考一下，怎麼樣結合當地的大學帶頭做起，然後擴散到中小學。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-08T12:28:26.531000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:28:32.514000+08:00","text":"其實也不一定是當地的大學，像國科會的各處室、研究的團體也可以。","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T12:28:32.514000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:28:33.514000+08:00","text":"對，因為基地的關係啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T12:28:33.794000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:28:36.015000+08:00","text":"他們要帶頭去做這個工作。是。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T12:28:36.775000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:28:38.416000+08:00","text":"我們的學者是全國性的，我們會……","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-08T12:28:39.156000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:28:43.518000+08:00","text":"全國性的學者和團隊其實可以一起做長期的合作。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T12:28:44.479000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:28:47.200000+08:00","text":"對，我們會鼓勵他們和地方政府合作，我們太空中心也會做。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T12:28:48.920000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:28:54.503000+08:00","text":"將來這個人才培育的基地，如果需要編列相關經費，我們也會協助。對。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-08T12:28:54.903000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:29:04.809000+08:00","text":"所以希望能夠藉這樣的科技發展太空計畫，讓屏東、花東都有機會參與我們國家最前端的科技，好不好？是。","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T12:29:05.049000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:29:07.350000+08:00","text":"相關科普的部分，我們科國處也會協助。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-08T12:29:07.791000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:29:10.232000+08:00","text":"不是只有科普，要更專業一點，從小學的科普，一直到大學的專業。","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T12:29:10.652000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:29:11.753000+08:00","text":"從小就是科普，小朋友不可能是專業啦！","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T12:29:11.753000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:29:12.473000+08:00","text":"一定是科普。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T12:29:12.513000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:29:14.034000+08:00","text":"大學就是專業，但是要帶動中小學科普的教育，那是我們……","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-08T12:29:14.114000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:29:14.254000+08:00","text":"對，謝謝主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T12:29:14.514000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:29:14.534000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T12:29:15.034000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T12:29:18.176857+08:00","text":"謝謝委員的詢答，謝謝主委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T12:29:18.476857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T12:29:29.905429+08:00","text":"現場其他未上臺備詢的官員，如果血糖比較低的話，可以先用餐，不要影響到會場的委員質詢就好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T12:29:30.205429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T12:29:32.776857+08:00","text":"大家不要客氣，好不好？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T12:29:33.076857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T12:29:40.791143+08:00","text":"因為今天詢答的委員都滿積極的，所以自己的身體還是要顧一下。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T12:29:41.091143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T12:29:45.948286+08:00","text":"是不是請同仁待會依序去拿便當，好不好？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T12:29:46.248286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T12:29:52.248286+08:00","text":"不要不好意思站起來，不要不好意思去拿便當，以上。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T12:29:52.548286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T12:29:56.262571+08:00","text":"下一位質詢的委員，洪孟楷委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}