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-08T12:31:04.336000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:31:04.676000+08:00","text":"謝謝徐富癸委員。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T12:31:05.176000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T12:31:08.890286+08:00","text":"接下來羅智強委員採書面質詢。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T12:31:09.190286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T12:31:12.047429+08:00","text":"蔡春綢委員採書面質詢。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T12:31:12.347429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T12:31:15.490286+08:00","text":"萬美玲、萬美玲、萬美玲委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T12:31:15.790286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T12:31:18.933143+08:00","text":"伍麗華、伍麗華、伍麗華委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T12:31:19.233143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T12:31:22.376000+08:00","text":"何欣純、何欣純、何欣純委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T12:31:22.676000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T12:31:25.818857+08:00","text":"接下來請劉書彬委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}