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專委原民會"},{"start":345.526,"end":369.965,"text":"好委員好我先就一些地方的議題問一下我們原民會跟環境部那我其實在去年的7月1號還有去年12月4號有針對信義鄉的一些環保園區有做了相關跨部會的一個就是詢問跟看看是不是從各部會能夠有一些經費挹注所以我們我想知道現在信義鄉的環保園區的進度到哪裡了"},{"start":372.606,"end":396.007,"text":"呃現在環保園區信義鄉委員不好意思這個部分因為我不同處事這部分我們是不是事後再給我們一些進度因為他就我去其實已經召開過兩次會議也也親自去現地勘察其實他的相關所確實是很努力希望能夠就他們一個一個土地的規模去做他們已經很像那個"},{"start":397.148,"end":412.715,"text":"所謂的那個地方的他們的計畫都送到縣政府了那希望如果說真的看到的話希望環境部能夠加快動作讓他們實現他們所謂環保園區的一個這個願景跟願望啦好不好因為我們還沒有看到所以如果看到的話請委員再告訴我們"},{"start":412.975,"end":432.024,"text":"那今年的1月26號我有去出入鄉做實地的考察有提到優化回收處理的一些設施跟他的抓斗車那我想知道他們目前的進度到哪裡我知道很像去年部長有到馬家鄉也有允諾說要給抓斗車可是現在馬家鄉也是有跟我提議說到底車子什麼時候來"},{"start":435.083,"end":450.314,"text":"我們最近因為整個預算的關係整個都有點慢了下來所以這個誰要回應一下馬家鄉馬家鄉還有春月鄉回收車不是抓斗車抓斗車是春月鄉對那沒有關係我們沒有負責抓斗車有嗎"},{"start":459.602,"end":478.852,"text":"那個也是因為現在預算的關係是屬於地方事務就比較沒有現在我們就針對今天的議題再問一下部長關於我有提一個修法就是32到35這邊有提到我們至於循環的一個推動裡面希望我們在"},{"start":480.413,"end":500.467,"text":"在這個代表裡面三分之一外部代表不得少於三分之一裡面的要有一個原住民主代表然後希望我們這樣能夠給原住民地區法人或者是合作社從事回收在內那個實質建築跟營運的補助那也希望針對原鄉興建及破棄的環保設施應該也要放寬它的土地變更的限制這樣子"},{"start":501.368,"end":523.198,"text":"因為其實原住民想做這些資源回收其實是很努力我相信你有去一些地方做考察過那我希望這部分能夠全部的支持我們偏向的困境因為我們有一些沒有辦法很難運輸的一個問題我們的量也不足所以你如果說單就它的營運的這個利潤的話我相信就是很難去支撐這樣的一個環保設施"},{"start":526.366,"end":550.032,"text":"我們因為這個法案我們包含你說的資源循環推動會我們的確有在規劃那至於說給原鄉部落或是給原鄉的這個環保的設施的部分我們到時候等到這個法案進來的時候我們可以再來討論我是覺得原住民其實在整個環境的保護相對的有他一套的很好的邏輯我們都市人應該跟原住民學習的所以這個部分資源也應該要多一點才對"},{"start":550.672,"end":576.087,"text":"最多最後一個一個抱怨就是我們針對3月17號在林邊的一個就是等於是戰事場我們的太陽能板那大概他燃燒了4個小時然後他的面積大概是8000平方公尺那我其實去看了一下他的相關的新聞其實因為我在想是不是因為他是執政黨的縣市所以看起來很像在報導上面不僅只有一頁或者是說也沒有相關的一些後續報導"},{"start":577.008,"end":603.967,"text":"我們想知道他到底有沒有處處分然後其實看到一些報導說其實都是輕描淡寫比如說呢他只有講到pm2.5介於什麼多少一個值然後說他只是一個普通其實就燃燒四個小時然後其實然後再在那個四個小時當中其實他是很難撲滅然後呢他就算撲滅了他也再一次引起燃燒然後其實我們就大概都知道說你只有他"},{"start":604.767,"end":633.713,"text":"媒體大概就講到PR2.5可是其實我們看到是有重金屬污染的風險又看到這些固體廢棄物跟微粒這些可能會影響到我們的土壤跟水源那這些確實他可以自來的這些風險其實也是要告知告知當地或者是附近的民眾那你要也要讓民眾知道你們採法的結果因為他只有寫說可能會出可能會有十萬到五百萬的這樣的一個罰款可是後續完全沒有聲音也沒有看到"},{"start":634.795,"end":640.008,"text":"環境部這邊有什麼相關的一些回應或者是說你們對這件事情的一個有的處理態度"},{"start":642.021,"end":668.263,"text":"因為這個是屬於地方的一個案例的事情所以這個是通常是地方的環保局跟消防局在做處理它還不夠大但是其實我們是一直在關注這個事情火災的時候它的空污對附近的影響那的確那個因為佔離可能它的比較遠所以它的PM2.5相對的數值比較低看起來沒有影響但是這個問題我們會再來追蹤一下說後續如何去有沒有相關的一個調查報告"},{"start":669.203,"end":685.65,"text":"還是要把所謂的戰車廠說太陽能板的這些全國應該也要盤點一下如果以後再發生的話是不是大家會覺得說其實環境部其實對這些戰車廠沒有所謂的SOPOK好我們會再跟主管單位能源署再來做討論好謝謝部長好謝謝好謝謝我們的盧憲裕委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-08T12:33:55.822000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:33:56.623000+08:00","text":"有請陳副署長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T12:33:56.623000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:33:57.004000+08:00","text":"有請陳副署長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳副署長國軒","start":"2026-04-08T12:34:07.078000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:34:07.899000+08:00","text":"委員好。你好。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-08T12:34:08.419000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:34:23.907000+08:00","text":"針對中東局勢導致國際油氣及塑膠原料價格明顯上漲，現在國內的PVC漲了64%，HDPE也漲了40%，請問目前國內民生與醫療塑化原料的缺口狀況如何？","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-08T12:34:23.907000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:34:25.928000+08:00","text":"政府現在的因應措施是什麼？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-08T12:34:26.488000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:34:45.575000+08:00","text":"目前確實啟動了資金的提前運作，4月乙烯提升到7.9萬噸、5月到9萬噸，也協調了20家加工業者增產，現在這套調度機制到底是穩定整體關鍵物資或是優先拯救一次性塑膠用品？","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-08T12:34:46.175000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:34:50.437000+08:00","text":"我想知道醫療包材、農業包材及食品包材各自的缺口及優先順序？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"陳副署長國軒","start":"2026-04-08T12:34:52.847000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:35:22.949000+08:00","text":"向委員做一個說明，這一塊確實是因應國際情勢的短期措施，我們先從上、中、下游針對整個供應鏈的供應量進行監控，也觀看市場的需求，所以我們後面有所謂的專線及網路，看到有什麼樣的需求，從上游確保它的供應沒有問題。","quality":0.86},{"speaker":"陳副署長國軒","start":"2026-04-08T12:35:23.830000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:35:43.263000+08:00","text":"我還是要強調，對於可以確定與商業性發展及醫療相關的醫材或包材等等，我們會採優先順位，此外，有一些像是民生消費必須的部分，我們也會做一個確保。","quality":0.656},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-08T12:35:43.703000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:35:44.764000+08:00","text":"確實不會缺料就對了？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳副署長國軒","start":"2026-04-08T12:35:47.846000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:35:53.671000+08:00","text":"因為經濟部已經推了平價專案，我們會確保民生供應是沒有問題的。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-08T12:35:54.312000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:35:55.373000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝副署長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-08T12:35:56.274000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:36:01.979000+08:00","text":"接下來要請衛福部的姜署長。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"姜署長至剛","start":"2026-04-08T12:36:01.979000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T12:36:02.979000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-08T12:36:02.799000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:36:08.444000+08:00","text":"請問，如果現在洗腎袋及點滴軟袋等的成本壓不住的話，該怎麼辦？","quality":0.593},{"speaker":"姜署長至剛","start":"2026-04-08T12:36:13.118000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:36:26.183000+08:00","text":"這次中東戰爭發生後，民生相關的議題，在原料的部分確實上升許多，衛福部食藥署與健保署共同協做之下，建立了一個單一平台接受通報。","quality":0.825},{"speaker":"姜署長至剛","start":"2026-04-08T12:36:26.403000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:36:57.822000+08:00","text":"目前的狀況是有8家藥廠與19家醫材廠，其中我們已經確定與8家藥廠聯繫完成，供貨的情形由前端的食藥署持續調查，後端的供貨，包括包材廠以及更上游的塑化原料是由產發署這邊協助，在雙方面的進行之下，目前整個藥品的部分，8家都供應無虞。","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"姜署長至剛","start":"2026-04-08T12:37:00.324000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:37:23.296000+08:00","text":"至於醫材廠的部分，我們最近的評估有19家，其中最急迫的醫材廠有2家，2家的下游中包含7家塑料供應商在4月份的狀況比較吃緊，所以我們立刻將相關訊息轉給產發署。","quality":0.836},{"speaker":"姜署長至剛","start":"2026-04-08T12:37:23.917000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:37:45.687000+08:00","text":"我們從兩方面進行，經濟部與衛福部之間雙署的溝通，各自下去把訊息傳達到醫材廠、藥品廠及供應原料的廠，目前7家的塑化供料是完整無缺的。","quality":0.831},{"speaker":"姜署長至剛","start":"2026-04-08T12:37:46.667000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:37:53.910000+08:00","text":"另外，還發現有一大部分是5、6月至年底會很緊張，因此，目前我們正在持續關注中，以上報告。","quality":0.639},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-08T12:37:54.090000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:37:54.731000+08:00","text":"所以目前所謂的200億健保準備金還沒有用到？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"姜署長至剛","start":"2026-04-08T12:37:58.912000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:38:21.236000+08:00","text":"其實健保署特別在昨天偕同食藥署，研議相關需要調價的部分，目前提到供應需要增加成本的有50家藥廠，醫材廠的部分也有數十家，我們持續針對每個個案去做一些討論。好。","quality":0.901},{"speaker":"姜署長至剛","start":"2026-04-08T12:38:22.176000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:38:36.885000+08:00","text":"我們希望在補助源頭端之後，後端部分的調價就比較不是那麼難以達成，這樣就可以更直接的讓藥品及醫材的供給更為穩固，以上。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-08T12:38:37.545000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:38:52.696000+08:00","text":"我看到醫療廢棄物大概是12.1萬噸，有害事業廢棄物滅菌後再利用率卻只有22.66%，但醫療廢棄物有許多是高品質的PP、PC塑膠，所以我想知道是不是有可能再提升它的再利用率？","quality":0.784},{"speaker":"姜署長至剛","start":"2026-04-08T12:38:54.437000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:39:13.923000+08:00","text":"向委員再進一步說明，我們可以與環境部共同研擬它的再利用，因為牽涉到有部分是接觸到血液之類的感染物質，但也有一部分醫療廢棄物未接觸到感染性物質，因此，進行兩者之間的區分在未來是一個重要的方向，謝謝委員的提醒。","quality":0.698},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-08T12:39:13.923000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T12:39:14.923000+08:00","text":"我希望你們與環境部能夠建立在安全前提下的醫療塑膠循環路徑，哪些品項可以分流、可以滅菌、可以回收、可以再利用，也希望能夠報告相關的進度。謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-08T12:39:14.923000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T12:39:15.923000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-08T12:39:14.203000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:39:14.383000+08:00","text":"請環境部長及原民會。","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T12:39:14.383000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:39:14.523000+08:00","text":"原民會。","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-08T12:39:36.626000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:39:36.866000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-08T12:39:38.087000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:40:00.945000+08:00","text":"我先就一些地方議題問一下原民會及環境部，其實我在去年7月1日及12月4日，有針對信義鄉的環保園區做了相關跨部會的詢問，看看各部會是不是能有一些經費挹注，所以我想知道現在信義鄉的環保園區進度到哪裡了？","quality":0.91},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-08T12:40:04.386000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:40:05.167000+08:00","text":"信義鄉的環保園區？對。","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"廖專門委員益群","start":"2026-04-08T12:40:06.148000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:40:06.728000+08:00","text":"委員，不好意思！","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖專門委員益群","start":"2026-04-08T12:40:07.149000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:40:11.473000+08:00","text":"因為我是不同處室，這個部分是否能事後再提供委員相關進度？","quality":0.385},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-08T12:40:14.015000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:40:39.373000+08:00","text":"OK，其實已經召開過2次會議，我也親自去現地勘查，鄉公所真的是很努力，希望能就他們的土地規模去做，而且他們的計畫都已經送到縣政府了，希望環境部能夠加快動作，讓他們能實現環保園區的願景、願望，好不好？","quality":0.841},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-08T12:40:39.373000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T12:40:40.373000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-08T12:40:40.153000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:40:43.715000+08:00","text":"因為我們還沒有看到，如果看到的話，再請委員告訴我們。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-08T12:40:44.095000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:40:55.220000+08:00","text":"今年1月26日我去了春日鄉實地考察，也提到優化回收處理的一些設施及它的抓斗車，所以我想知道目前的進度到哪裡了？","quality":0.796},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-08T12:40:55.220000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:41:03.024000+08:00","text":"我知道去年部長有去瑪家鄉並允諾要給抓斗車，但現在瑪家鄉也向我詢問到底車子什麼時候會來？","quality":0.78},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-08T12:41:06.403000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:41:12.588000+08:00","text":"報告委員，最近因為預算的關係，整個進度都有點慢下來。","quality":0.739},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-08T12:41:15.730000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:41:17.751000+08:00","text":"瑪家鄉與春日鄉。","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-08T12:41:18.472000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:41:19.392000+08:00","text":"是回收車，不是抓斗車。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-08T12:41:19.392000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:41:20.233000+08:00","text":"抓斗車是春日鄉。對。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-08T12:41:20.393000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:41:20.613000+08:00","text":"沒有關係！","quality":1},{"speaker":"顏署長旭明","start":"2026-04-08T12:41:30.602000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:41:37.206000+08:00","text":"那個也是因為現在預算的關係，屬於地方事務就比較沒有。好。","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-08T12:41:39.347000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:42:11.427000+08:00","text":"沒關係，接下來就針對今天的議題請教部長，在我的修法版本第三十二條至第三十五條提到，希望資源循環推動會外部代表不得少於三分之一裡面要有一個原住民族代表，希望中央能夠給予原住民地區、法人或合作社從事回收再利用的實質建置與營運補助，也希望針對原鄉興建急迫性環保設施，放寬土地變更的限制。","quality":0.689},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-08T12:42:13.389000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:42:34.178000+08:00","text":"原住民鄉做資源回收其實是很努力的，我相信你也去過一些地方考察，希望這部份能夠支持我們偏鄉的困境，因為我們長期存在運輸困難的問題，處理量能也不足，如果單就營運的利潤而言，相信是很難支撐這樣的一個環保設施。","quality":0.819},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-08T12:42:38.146000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:42:42.267000+08:00","text":"委員，關於這個法案，包括你說的資源循環推動會，我們的確有在規劃。","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-08T12:42:42.507000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:42:50.889000+08:00","text":"至於給原鄉部落或是給原鄉環保設施的部分，等到這個法案進來之後，我們可以再討論。OK。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-08T12:42:50.889000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:43:01.032000+08:00","text":"我是覺得原住民在整個環境保護上相對有一套很好的邏輯，都市人應該要向原住民學習，所以這個部分的資源也應該要多一點才對。","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-08T12:43:01.672000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:43:30.230000+08:00","text":"最後一個抱怨，關於3月17日林邊太陽能板暫置場的火災，燃燒了4個小時，面積大概是8,000平方公尺，我看了相關的新聞，是不是因為它是執政黨的縣市，這件事的報導不僅只有一頁，或者也沒有相關的後續報導，我很想知道它到底有沒有處分？","quality":0.823},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-08T12:43:31.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:43:41.477000+08:00","text":"其實看到的一些報導都是輕描淡寫，譬如只提到PM2.5介於多少值，說它只是普通的狀況。","quality":0.757},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-08T12:43:42.658000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:44:12.470000+08:00","text":"這場火燃燒了4個小時，在4個小時中其實是很難撲滅的，就算撲滅了也會再次引起燃燒，但媒體大概都只有講到PM2.5，然而我們都知道會有重金屬汙染的風險、也知道這些固體廢棄物與微粒可能會影響到土壤與水源，對於這些可能致癌的風險，應該都要告知當地的民眾。","quality":0.721},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-08T12:44:13.291000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:44:30.988000+08:00","text":"同時也要讓民眾知道你們裁罰的結果，但是報導只說可能會有50萬到500萬的罰款，後續完全沒有聲音，也沒看到環境部有相關的回應或針對這件事的處理態度。","quality":0.859},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-08T12:44:33.021000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:44:59.243000+08:00","text":"報告委員，因為這是屬於地方的案例，通常是由地方的環保局與消防局處理，不過，我們也一直關注這場火災產生的空汙對附近的影響，的確因為站可能離得比較遠，所以它的PM2.5相對數值比較低，看起來沒有影響，但是我們會針對這個問題，追蹤後續有沒有相關的調查報告，到時候我們再來處理。","quality":0.762},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-08T12:45:00.883000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:45:11.728000+08:00","text":"全國的太陽能板暫置場也都應該盤點一下，如果再次發生的話，大家是否會覺得環境部對於這些暫置場沒有所謂的SOP？","quality":0.725},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-08T12:45:12.908000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:45:15.629000+08:00","text":"好，我們會與主管單位能源署再討論。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-08T12:45:15.629000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:45:16.370000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝部長。謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T12:45:16.370000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:45:16.650000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝我們的盧縣一委員發言。","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T12:45:17.150000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T12:45:22.007143+08:00","text":"待會陳瑩委員詢答完畢後，休息30分鐘用餐。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T12:45:22.307143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T12:45:25.450000+08:00","text":"接下來請王正旭委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}