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謝謝委員的指導那針對那個農業塑膠的一個部分那它是屬於一般的一個廢棄物那我們農業部跟環境部這邊是合作的關係那因為塑膠布或是那個農抹因為它可能在耕作的時候可能它會附著一些沙土所以說它如果沒有適當的一個清洗的話那可能在金融單位它"},{"start":558.101,"end":584.424,"text":"會不喜歡去做回收所以我們農業部這邊是有有輔導那個循環場域先做清洗之後再由再利用單位來回收再利用是的確因為我們看到資料裡面這12000噸幾乎希望都能夠再利用再回收可是就好像您所提到的那如何能夠讓這個回收可以做得更好"},{"start":584.904,"end":607.69,"text":"我們也看到目前的困境這就是我們在2025年12月份透過我們所知的書面報告裡面看到的那今天的書面報告有提到目前的這些傳統農業塑膠再利用的情形就如你所提到沙土的雜質啦這個產源分散這個勤勉成本太高等等"},{"start":608.79,"end":633.165,"text":"尤其是在這個儲存空間不足的情形下導致我們目前看到的很不希望看到的這種對農土污染造成的影響這個是我們持續還希望在可以努力的部分那剛剛提到推動使用這個可分解的農業資產裡面其實的確我們看到有相關的進步的情形就是農糧署這邊輔導"},{"start":635.206,"end":655.516,"text":"嘉義縣的東石合作廠農場他們推出相關的一些因應的做法讓這個清洗的部分可以進化能夠讓整體的這個資材回收還有這個部分都可以做得更好那也除了相關的作業支援讓未來的這個處理可以更為優化"},{"start":656.617,"end":665.568,"text":"剛剛我們提到的是一萬兩千噸可是呢這個相關的東石的合作廠他們能夠去化每一年才兩千噸"},{"start":666.727,"end":689.972,"text":"所以可以理解還是有很大量的這個資源回收是沒有做好的那請問未來有沒有計畫針對這個類似的這種合作農場的設置可以繼續擴大因為這個部分是屬於地區性的使用那將來是不是在各個相關的農業線都可以"},{"start":691.292,"end":716.963,"text":"擴增類似的這個處理模式跟委員報告那我們在去年也有埔島那個南河縣埔里這邊也是有一個針對農業塑膠的一個清洗場域目前還在設置中那後續如果說其他縣市如果相關的一個做設廠要來協助做這個塑膠農畝清洗的工作的話我們會繼續來做協助"},{"start":718.904,"end":743.411,"text":"因為這個看起來是蠻需要的請問一下本部長,針對這個部分環境部有沒有跟農業部有更多的合作方案?第一個是說我們有發現有一些農模是用bio的可以分解的方式一種是分解,第二個是他們可以回收這個部分我們也會想辦法,我們其實有跨部會談過這個問題"},{"start":745.051,"end":762.612,"text":"那我未來因為在減塑的趨勢之下我們會想辦法來跟他們加速這整個過程的進行因為他們現在是有一些點在設置可是整個循環體系如何收集的完整這個可能還需要一些經濟的誘因才可以完成我們會來想辦法"},{"start":763.373,"end":789.748,"text":"是謝謝因為我來自農村所以對這個農業農土的污染真的非常非常的關注希望兩個部會持續來努力那最後一個簡單的部分就是謝謝環境部這邊針對這個蔬果標籤貼紙去樹的話我們去年有提出了相關的質詢那謝謝包括部長很關心這個議題那也在12月去年12月1號召集了相關的部會針對這個蔬果標籤去"},{"start":792.569,"end":800.823,"text":"的貼紙去做的話有做一些努力相關的部會包括食藥署、農業部還有環境部本身也做相關的應驗"},{"start":801.857,"end":823.452,"text":"那最後想要請教一下就是針對這個議題如何持續推動那不知道部長能不能夠如果有相關的這個後面持續的這個延伸報告的話那可以提供給我們來做一個參考可以沒問題這個在進行當中那之前有跟委員有跟您這邊報告過那後續的我們會再來持續進行"},{"start":824.252,"end":827.661,"text":"好 那就可以一個月或兩個月可以給我們應該一個月好 那就謝謝部長謝謝大家 謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-04-08T12:45:41.232000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:45:41.432000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-04-08T12:45:41.772000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:45:51.276000+08:00","text":"今天排了這麼豐富的議題，讓各位委員都可以好好就教所有的政府官員。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-04-08T12:45:51.396000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:46:11.630000+08:00","text":"針對今天的議題，有幾個問題需要與相關主管機關進行對談，包括藥品及醫材價格波動的部分及塑膠去化的部分，是不是先請衛福部食藥署的姜署長與健保署的顏副署長？","quality":0.803},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T12:46:11.630000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T12:46:13.231333+08:00","text":"有請姜署長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"姜署長至剛","start":"2026-04-08T12:46:13.231333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T12:46:14.832667+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-04-08T12:46:14.832667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T12:46:16.434000+08:00","text":"署長好，副署長好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-04-08T12:46:16.434000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:46:44.813000+08:00","text":"剛剛許多委員都提到相關的議題，藥品醫材因為塑化原料短缺讓大家都很擔心，相信剛剛許多委員都請教過署長及副署長，其實我們也了解最重要的是確保供應及穩定價格，這是兩大重點。","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-04-08T12:46:45.654000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:46:59.402000+08:00","text":"之前石部長也針對這個議題，表示已經根據國安韌性特別條例編列200億元的健保基金安全準備金。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-04-08T12:47:02.364000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:47:20.912000+08:00","text":"依照特別條例的規定，在相關藥品或醫療器材有因本次原物料波動致製劑成本增加的情形之下，才能動用200億元的健保基金安全準備金。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-04-08T12:47:21.352000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:47:30.344000+08:00","text":"請問目前健保署與食藥署能否進一步說明給付調整以及特別預算挹注健保的具體模式？","quality":0.838},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-04-08T12:47:31.766000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:47:35.250000+08:00","text":"到時候應該如何動支這筆準備金？","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-04-08T12:47:35.950000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:47:40.576000+08:00","text":"目前有沒有受到影響的相關業者開始申請？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-04-08T12:47:40.696000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:47:45.501000+08:00","text":"申請的概況及相關流程是否通暢、流暢？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-04-08T12:47:45.501000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:47:47.303000+08:00","text":"是不是先請署長、再請副署長說明？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"姜署長至剛","start":"2026-04-08T12:47:47.303000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:47:49.284000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"姜署長至剛","start":"2026-04-08T12:47:49.284000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:48:07.651000+08:00","text":"委員特別提到這次中東戰事發生後對整個原物料的影響，我們在藥品醫材的通報，剛剛提到陸陸續續有8家藥廠、藥品商以及19家醫材相關產業通報了許多品項。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"姜署長至剛","start":"2026-04-08T12:48:08.811000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:48:27.317000+08:00","text":"至於成本的增加，我們總共接到72家業者，包括50家藥品及22家醫材目前都有成本的增加，我們預估接近15億元左右的金額調整需要討論。","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"姜署長至剛","start":"2026-04-08T12:48:27.777000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:49:00.279000+08:00","text":"針對這個部分，我們與健保署是雙向通暢進行彼此的調價，目前已經有特定的廠家，這裡就不特別說是哪家，提出希望能夠調價，也有一個特定醫材的部分是特定疾病需要的一些管路，他們提出的相關成本分析相對比較清楚、更為完整，希望能與健保署共同擬定。","quality":0.86},{"speaker":"姜署長至剛","start":"2026-04-08T12:49:01.019000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:49:30.407000+08:00","text":"因為我們不知道戰事到底會延續多長的時間，所以我們針對整個產業以及藥品與醫材的占比，藥品包材的成本算起來大概是8%，醫材的部分有些甚至可以達到四分之一，也就是25%，因此，我們對於整體調整的預估成本增加大約17億元至33億元左右的範圍及空間。","quality":0.783},{"speaker":"姜署長至剛","start":"2026-04-08T12:49:30.947000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:49:52.464000+08:00","text":"目前針對整個成本的需求大概就是按照這樣評估，後續調整的部分，我們也有不同的做法與想法，除了從健保著手之外，也希望能從前面原料端的部分給予支持，這部分也是持續與跨部會進行溝通之中。以上。","quality":0.847},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-04-08T12:49:53.065000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:49:54.106000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-04-08T12:49:54.687000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:50:06.600000+08:00","text":"請問副署長，針對之前石部長所認定的這些標準來看的話，這200億的健保基金安全準備金將來是否會影響到其他總額的部分？","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"顏副署長家瑞","start":"2026-04-08T12:50:09.444000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:50:10.285000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"顏副署長家瑞","start":"2026-04-08T12:50:10.526000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:50:20.159000+08:00","text":"根據全民健康保險藥物給付項目及支付標準第三十四條、三十五條，在藥品的部分，其實廠商是可以根據他的成本分析來調整支付價；至於在特材部分，在第五十三條之二也有規範，可以依成本分析來調整它的支付價。","quality":0.393},{"speaker":"顏副署長家瑞","start":"2026-04-08T12:50:28.724000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:50:47.333000+08:00","text":"目前向健保署反映的有3個項目，第一個，在藥品的部分主要是乳膏劑，類固醇方面的藥膏；第二個是兩項特材的部分，一個是長安醫材脊髓引流管，特材的部分目前都有替代產品。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"顏副署長家瑞","start":"2026-04-08T12:50:48.194000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:51:14.221000+08:00","text":"剛才委員問到200億基金的部分，如果評估不敷成本的藥品跟特殊醫材的話，目前跟食藥署在推估，影響的部分大概會在7.5億左右，藥品大概是5.16，特材的話有可能會影響到2.32，所以在200億基金的部分事實上是有辦法來支應的。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-04-08T12:51:15.481000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:51:18.022000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝，聽起來大家應該可以很安心啦！","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-04-08T12:51:19.462000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:51:36.810000+08:00","text":"再請教署長，有關基層藥局，其實他們也受到衝擊，剛剛所提到的都是針對200億資金用於生產製造端之廠商的補助或者是幫忙，對於基層藥局他們所反映的事情，目前有沒有相關的機制可以來協助？","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"姜署長至剛","start":"2026-04-08T12:51:38.969000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:51:57.918000+08:00","text":"就這個部分，因為基層藥局我們接到的一些訊息，特別是他們所謂的夾鏈藥袋、提供藥袋的部分，因為他們是交付處方給民眾，所以經費的部分如果是在整個健保的話，就是另外健保的部分。","quality":0.961},{"speaker":"姜署長至剛","start":"2026-04-08T12:51:59.378000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:52:20.930000+08:00","text":"藥袋的部分，因為每一個我們知道的訊息大概是0.2塊，我們在想如何去反映這個部分，因為計算起來錢不是很多，但是每個藥局裡面還是會有一些影響，我們持續在研議當中，目前還沒有直接補到藥局去，還沒有特別去做，以上說明。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-04-08T12:52:21.490000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:52:22.010000+08:00","text":"好，這部分就麻煩署長繼續關注。謝謝。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-04-08T12:52:23.671000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:52:23.791000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝，請署長、副署長回座。","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-04-08T12:52:29.599000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:52:42.431000+08:00","text":"再過來要針對農業廢棄物的部分請教農糧署陳主任秘書跟資源永續利用司的杜科長。","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T12:52:42.711000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:52:47.015000+08:00","text":"麻煩洪宏毅組長。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-04-08T12:52:54.653000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:53:16.211000+08:00","text":"首先要很感謝也很恭喜農業部及環境部，中央和地方政府共同在全民的努力之下，在4月6日我們獲得世界動物衛生組織核可，恢復為非洲豬瘟自我聲明非疫區，這真的是得來不易，真的很感謝大家共同的努力。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-04-08T12:53:18.293000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:53:42.155000+08:00","text":"今天農業部的書面報告針對肥料穩定供應的情形，其實大家也都非常地努力，包括透過台肥吸收部分漲幅，還有適時地補助國內肥料業者，讓所有的影響能夠降到最低，不過今天想要跟兩位討論有關於農業廢棄物的部分，怎麼樣讓塑膠類別的去化模式可以更穩定地進步。","quality":0.911},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-04-08T12:53:42.715000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:53:52.726000+08:00","text":"我們看到資料，在這一張113年的統計表裡面，有將近500萬噸的農業廢棄物，其中有2%是屬於非生物性的部分，占了將近1萬2,800公噸。","quality":0.86},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-04-08T12:53:52.906000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:54:20.498000+08:00","text":"目前這些廢棄物主要的回收模式是屬於資源回收，這個資源回收在相關的做法裡面，最重要的方式到底是什麼樣的方式讓資源回收可以再利用？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-04-08T12:54:21.199000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:54:22.601000+08:00","text":"請問一下農業部的官員。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"洪組長宏毅","start":"2026-04-08T12:54:26.206000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:55:03.351000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員的指導，針對農業塑膠的部分，它是屬於一般的廢棄物，我們農業部跟環境部是合作的關係，因為塑膠布或是農膜可能在耕作的時候會附著一些砂土，如果沒有適當地清洗的話，可能再利用單位會不喜歡去做回收，所以我們農業部有輔導循環場域先清洗之後，由再利用單位來回收再利用。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-04-08T12:55:04.091000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:55:18.404000+08:00","text":"是，的確，因為我們看到資料裡面，這1萬2,000噸希望都能夠再利用、再回收，可是就像您所提到的，如何讓回收可以做得更好？","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-04-08T12:55:18.904000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:55:28.727000+08:00","text":"我們也看到目前的困境，這是我們在2025年12月份透過索資的書面報告裡面看到的。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-04-08T12:55:29.027000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:55:37.889000+08:00","text":"今天的書面報告有提到目前這些傳統農業塑膠再利用的情形，就如您所提到的，包括砂土的雜質啦！","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-04-08T12:55:39.029000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:55:55.638000+08:00","text":"產源分散及清運成本太高等等，尤其是在貯存空間不足的情況下，導致這種我們很不希望看到的，對農土污染造成的影響，這個部分我們希望可以再持續努力。","quality":0.785},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-04-08T12:55:56.959000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:56:29.496000+08:00","text":"剛剛提到推動使用可分解的農業資材，的確我們有看到相關進步的情形，就是農糧署輔導嘉義縣的東石合作農場，他們有推出一些因應的做法，讓清洗的部分可以進化，能夠讓整體的資材回收，在這個部分可以做得更好，也有出了相關的作業指引，讓未來的處理可以更為優化。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-04-08T12:56:30.617000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:56:56.590000+08:00","text":"剛剛我們提到的是1萬2,000噸，可是東石合作場每一年能夠去化才2,000噸，所以可以理解，還是有很大量的資源回收是沒有做好的，請問未來有沒有計畫，針對類似這種合作農場的設置可以繼續擴大？","quality":0.924},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-04-08T12:56:57.210000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:57:06.973000+08:00","text":"因為這個部分是屬於地區性的使用，將來是不是在各個相關的農業縣都可以擴增類似的處理模式？","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"洪組長宏毅","start":"2026-04-08T12:57:08.674000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:57:30.943000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們在去年也有輔導南投縣埔里那邊，也是有一個針對農業塑膠的清洗場域，目前還在設置中，後續如果其他縣市有相關的合作社場要做塑膠農膜清洗工作的話，我們會繼續協助。","quality":0.861},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-04-08T12:57:32.904000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:57:35.265000+08:00","text":"好，因為這個看起來是滿需要的。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-04-08T12:57:36.185000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:57:43.647000+08:00","text":"請問彭部長，針對這個部分，環境部跟農業部有沒有更多合作的方案？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-08T12:57:43.647000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T12:57:45.607000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-08T12:57:45.607000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:57:52.609000+08:00","text":"第一個，我們發現有一些農膜是用bio的，可以分解的方式，一種是分解。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-08T12:57:52.849000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:57:56.210000+08:00","text":"第二個是他們可以回收，這個部分我們也會想辦法。","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-08T12:57:56.470000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:58:07.041000+08:00","text":"我們其實有跨部會談過這個問題，未來因為在減塑的趨勢之下，我們會想辦法跟他們加速這整個過程的進行。","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-08T12:58:07.361000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:58:16.592000+08:00","text":"他們現在是有設置一些點，可是整個循環體系如何收集得完整，這個可能還是需要一些經濟的誘因才可以完成，我們會來想辦法。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-04-08T12:58:17.373000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:58:18.093000+08:00","text":"是，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-04-08T12:58:18.093000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:58:26.218000+08:00","text":"因為我來自農村，所以我對農業農土的污染真的非常非常地關注，希望兩個部會持續來努力。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-04-08T12:58:26.518000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:58:54.823000+08:00","text":"最後一個簡單的部分，環境部針對蔬果標籤貼紙去塑化，我們去年有提出了相關的質詢，謝謝部長很關心這個議題，也在去年12月1日召集了相關的部會，針對蔬果標籤貼紙去塑化有做一些努力，相關的部會包括食藥署、農業部還有環境部本身也都有相關的因應。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-04-08T12:58:56.077000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:59:10.407000+08:00","text":"最後想要請教一下，針對這個議題如何持續推動，後續如果有相關的研商報告的話，不知道部長能不能夠提供給我們參考？是。","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-08T12:59:11.307000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:59:12.408000+08:00","text":"可以，沒問題，這個在進行當中。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴署長瑩瑩","start":"2026-04-08T12:59:13.289000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:59:17.432000+08:00","text":"之前有跟委員這邊報告過，後續我們會再來持續進行。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-04-08T12:59:19.856000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:59:20.839000+08:00","text":"一個月或兩個月可以給我們？","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-08T12:59:20.839000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:59:20.959000+08:00","text":"應該一個月。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-04-08T12:59:21.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:59:21.641000+08:00","text":"一個月，好，那就謝謝部長，謝謝大家。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-08T12:59:21.661000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T12:59:21.661000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T12:59:22.161000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T12:59:25.018143+08:00","text":"謝謝王正旭委員的發言。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T12:59:25.318143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T12:59:28.175286+08:00","text":"接下來請陳瑩委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}