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謝謝那同時本席也有留意到就是說上週NASA"},{"start":257.247,"end":280.58,"text":"阿提米斯2號有成功升空它的繞月的飛行距離也打破了離地球最遠的距離這是太空發展的新紀錄所以要請教國科會我們台灣是否跟得上這股登月的潮流我們是否有相關的研究跟計畫"},{"start":281.906,"end":302.597,"text":"登月?有,我們有相關的計畫,我們有一些籌載,將來可能在,我們現在還保密的,將來如果成功以後會跟國人來宣布,我們跟美國的合作,將來在他們的登月計畫上,台灣一定會參與的。"},{"start":304.398,"end":329.576,"text":"這真是一個好消息再來要跟諸位討論的就是國科會的台灣講座計畫國科會這個人設研究發展處的前處長林斌仁他有提過說大概從1990年代開始許多在海外發展的人設的學生他心中都有這樣的一個疑問就是說我到底什麼時候才能以台灣作為研究的對象"},{"start":330.636,"end":358.625,"text":"我們可以知道在當時的時空背景下你要用台灣做主體獨立於中國的框架之外來做研究對象當然是很困難那可是在今天全世界都意識到台灣的重要性台灣已經有研究的獨立地位的今天那我們在國外從事台灣研究的學生其實都還有可能受到來自中國或者親近中國的教授的學者的誤解甚至是刁難"},{"start":359.625,"end":386.243,"text":"那比較輕的是說台灣的研究者被邊緣化比較嚴重的是說他可能會影響到他獲取教職的機會所以台灣研究在國際上的生存空間絕對需要國科會啊外交部啊教育部去把它撐起來我們不能讓這些學生跟教授在海外是單打獨鬥所以我要強調不只是我們國內有台灣史的補課潮在國際上也掀起一股我們期待進一步認識台灣的這個趨勢"},{"start":388.604,"end":404.636,"text":"所以光是從文學的面向來講像上週楊雙子的台灣漫遊錄就錄為英國國際布克獎的決選名單這其實是空前的突破各界都在為台灣打拚 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國科會是支持學者要做研究"},{"start":470.345,"end":488.073,"text":"所以只要我们现在正在努力了只要有国外的学者愿意做跟台湾相关的研究我们会努力去来邀请他们来讲助他们能够多多做这个台湾议题的这个研究所以这一部分并没有缩水我们还是持续会支持的"},{"start":488.413,"end":514.696,"text":"好因為台灣比起中國我們最大優勢就是我們民主開放多元而且可被監督所以加上教育部它這個台灣研究講座這個計畫其實已經跟國外很多大學的這種奠定了一個長年互信的基礎所以不論是國科會也好教育部或外交部我覺得我們應該進一步思考如何突破的可能而不是滿足於3到5年的這種"},{"start":516.957,"end":530.808,"text":"三大五年就可以要重新簽約啦那計畫主持人就不斷的一直在找錢為自己找工作的感覺所以我的意思是說我們看其他的韓國就好我們隔壁的韓國人家是從"},{"start":532.309,"end":559.047,"text":"90年代就开始用国家的力量来支撑他们的高等的教育跟学术领域的这些补助终身指的教授韩国的策略它培育大量的未来可以了解韩国的学术人才可以输出韩国的这种研究我们很明显知道是当代流行文化的成效是非常卓越的所以我们看看韩国的例子来看看台湾国科会"},{"start":560.469,"end":567.486,"text":"我們的政策如果就現況來看是不是還需要被突破然後才可以有比較好的效果出來"},{"start":569.037,"end":595.327,"text":"謝謝林委員講這個議題的確是非常非常重要的那因為我們的這個文化要整體學術界的文化要改變是需要花一點時間那我們已經在努力把這個多年期的這個計畫的比例把它逐步在增加當中增加所以就是說老師不要每年都忙著要寫計畫寫報告就是要讓他可以有比較"},{"start":597.849,"end":614.063,"text":"長的時間可以專心做這個研究這個的確我們在改善當中我們的比例在提升了好好那期待期待國科會對於這個領域再努力一點好OK好那因為時間到了好謝謝主席謝謝謝謝我們"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-04-08T10:13:47.805000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:13:48.005000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-04-08T10:13:48.426000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:13:49.166000+08:00","text":"有請吳主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T10:13:50.127000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:13:50.648000+08:00","text":"有請吳主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T10:13:50.648000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T10:13:56.553000+08:00","text":"林委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-04-08T10:13:56.553000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:13:56.834000+08:00","text":"主委早。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-04-08T10:13:58.095000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:14:19.638000+08:00","text":"之前國科會專報的時候副主委來答詢，我就有跟他討論到臺南沙崙火箭基地的進度，因為那時候我詢問他，如果總預算沒有過，火箭基地會受怎麼樣的影響？","quality":0.891},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-04-08T10:14:20.619000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:14:30.191000+08:00","text":"那時候副主委是回答，因為這個基地屬於公建計畫，所以如果預算被卡住的話，真的只能辦理展延。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-04-08T10:14:32.693000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:14:37.075000+08:00","text":"當然他也有補充，我們還有約100億的法人計畫也會被卡住。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-04-08T10:14:37.855000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:14:52.702000+08:00","text":"所以我在這裡還是要不斷地、不厭其煩地向在野黨喊話，就是要儘速放行整包的總預算來進行審查，不然我們國家的科技國力就會受到延宕，被卡住。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-04-08T10:14:53.563000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:15:38.058000+08:00","text":"不僅如此，本席也有留意到英美對我國太空中心釋出的善意，報導指出，美國眾議院委員會通過法案，打破一中限制要跟臺灣太空合作；另外，臺灣與英國太空產業聚落SSC合作升級，要聚焦衛星供應鏈，這些種種外國對臺灣的動作顯示，他們對我們臺灣不只是肯定，我們都很清楚知道，我國太空中心的實力不只是一個技術的接受者，還是一個任務的參與者。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-04-08T10:15:39.179000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:16:04.580000+08:00","text":"在美國的法案上，他更是鼓勵我們雙方在太空科學教育、青年實驗計畫及太空任務的培訓這方面來合作；至於英國的方向，他則是從個案性的技術交流演變到制度化、產業聚落對接，還有供應鏈的整合。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-04-08T10:16:06.422000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:16:20.732000+08:00","text":"但是因為總預算沒有通過，所以我們就會擔心，不只是我們國內建設沒辦法進行，包括跟外國這些太空的合作，可能也會失去一些大好機會。","quality":0.965},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-04-08T10:16:20.732000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:16:24.975000+08:00","text":"所以想要請教主委，你怎麼看我以上所提的？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-04-08T10:16:26.576000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:16:33.041000+08:00","text":"是不是再進一步說明，如果總預算沒過，會怎麼影響到我們國內的太空發展？","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T10:16:33.942000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:17:49.757000+08:00","text":"首先，委員提到我們跟美國、跟英國太空的合作，這是過去大家無法想像的，就是因為臺灣在半導體、在AI硬體製造的實力，將來都會影響到這些產業，包含太空產業，所以他們現在積極跟我們合作，就像賴總統講的，將來要競逐太空，我們才有機會能夠達到這個目標，所以我也很期待我們在臺南的火箭研發基地能夠順利動工，今年我們開始要進行這個公建計畫、要啟動，如果預算沒有通過，我們是連啟動都沒有辦法啟動，因為它是一個新的案子，這個公建計畫後續會搭配我們國科會也要編列研發的預算，火箭之外，我們的衛星也會持續地發展，我們衛星已經連結到我們的產業了，所以現在美國、英國，其實還有很多國家，包括日本、加拿大、歐洲等其他國家，我們都有很多未來合作的機會，希望大院能夠支持我們的預算，謝謝。好。","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-04-08T10:17:50.058000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:18:11.976000+08:00","text":"同時本席也有留意到，上週NASA的阿提米絲2號有成功升空，它的繞月飛行距離也打破了離地球最遠的距離，這是太空發展的新紀錄。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-04-08T10:18:11.976000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:18:20.580000+08:00","text":"所以要請教國科會，臺灣是否跟得上這股登月的潮流，我們是否有參與相關登月的研究跟計畫？","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T10:18:22.967000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:18:42.577000+08:00","text":"有，我們有相關的計畫，我們有一些酬載，現在還是保密的，將來如果成功以後，會跟國人來宣布我們跟美國的合作，將來在他們的登月計畫上，臺灣一定會參與的。哇！","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-04-08T10:18:44.398000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:18:45.419000+08:00","text":"這真是一個好消息。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-04-08T10:18:46.960000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:19:09.556000+08:00","text":"再來要跟主委討論的就是國科會的臺灣講座計畫，國科會人社研究發展處前處長林明仁有提過，大概從1990年代開始，許多在海外發展的人社學生心中都有這樣一個疑問：我到底什麼時候才能以臺灣作為研究的對象？","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-04-08T10:19:10.636000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:19:20.159000+08:00","text":"我們可以知道，在當時的時空背景下，你要用臺灣做主體，獨立於中國的框架之外來做研究對象，當然是很困難。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-04-08T10:19:20.279000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:19:58.357000+08:00","text":"可是在全世界都意識到臺灣重要性的今天，在臺灣已經有獨立研究地位的今天，在國外從事臺灣研究的學生其實都還是可能會受到來自中國或者親近中國的教授、學者的誤解，甚至刁難，比較輕的是臺灣的研究者被邊緣化，比較嚴重的是可能會影響到他獲取教職的機會，所以臺灣研究在國際上的生存空間絕對是需要國科會、外交部、教育部去撐起來，我們不能讓這些學生跟教授在海外單打獨鬥。","quality":0.945},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-04-08T10:19:59.318000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:20:24.615000+08:00","text":"我要強調，不只是我們國內有臺灣史的補課潮，在國際上也掀起一股期待進一步認識臺灣的趨勢，光是從文學面向來講，像上週楊双子的「臺灣漫遊錄」就入圍英國國際布克獎的決選名單，這其實是空前的突破，各界都在為臺灣打拼，拼出好成績，所以國科會也應該要更努力。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-04-08T10:20:26.717000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:20:55.204000+08:00","text":"最初國科會的臺灣講座計畫確實是野心勃勃，跟教育部行之有年的臺灣研究講座相比，我覺得最大的差異是，國科會的計畫比較注重在培養教職，尤其可以長期留在學校、有能力影響學術研究方向的終身職教授，努力發展海外學術界臺灣研究網絡。","quality":0.961},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-04-08T10:20:55.304000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:20:58.946000+08:00","text":"所以要請教主委，我們的執行成果如何？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-04-08T10:21:00.067000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:21:10.115000+08:00","text":"為什麼我們本來是奠基在教育部基礎之上可以進一步發揮的計畫，現在感覺好像又縮水，跟教育部差不多一樣的模式？主委。","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T10:21:11.433000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:21:14.455000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T10:21:14.455000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:21:18.938000+08:00","text":"這個計畫在林明仁前處長任內啟動，這是滿有意義的。是。","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T10:21:19.959000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:21:29.404000+08:00","text":"國科會跟教育部是互相搭配，教育部的計畫是比較廣泛的，因為它是以教學為主，國科會是支持學者要做研究。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T10:21:30.945000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:21:48.413000+08:00","text":"我們現在正在努力，只要有國外學者願意做跟臺灣相關的研究，我們會努力來邀請他們、來獎助他們能夠多多做臺灣議題的研究，這部分並沒有縮水，我們還是持續會支持的。好。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-04-08T10:21:49.174000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:22:25.304000+08:00","text":"因為臺灣比起中國，我們的最大優勢就是民主、開放、多元，而且可被監督，加上教育部的臺灣研究講座計畫，其實已經跟國外很多大學奠定了一個長年互信的基礎，所以不論是國科會也好、教育部或外交部，我覺得我們應該進一步思考如何突破的可能性，而不是滿足於3到5年就要重新簽約的計畫，計畫主持人也不斷地一直在找錢，為自己找工作的感覺。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-04-08T10:22:27.185000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:23:07.486000+08:00","text":"我們看隔壁的韓國就好，從90年代就開始用國家力量來支撐他們的高等教育跟補助學術領域的終身職教授，韓國策略是培育大量未來可以了解韓國的學術人才，可以輸出韓國的研究，我們很明顯地知道韓國當代流行文化的成效是非常卓越的，所以我們以韓國的例子來看看臺灣，如果就現況來看，我們的政策是不是還需要被突破，才可以有比較好的效果出來？","quality":0.716},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T10:23:09.037000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:23:33.187000+08:00","text":"謝謝林委員提出這個議題，的確是非常非常重要，因為我們整體學術界的文化要改變是需要花一點時間，我們已經努力在把多年期計畫的比例逐步在增加當中，所以老師不要每年都忙著要寫計畫、寫報告……對、對！","quality":0.942},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T10:23:34.047000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:23:43.433000+08:00","text":"就是要讓他可以有比較長的時間專心做研究，的確我們在改善當中，我們的比例在提升了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T10:23:43.433000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T10:23:44.433000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員，這個建議很好。","quality":0.1},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-04-08T10:23:44.334000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:23:50.139000+08:00","text":"好，期待國科會對於這個領域再努力一點。好、好。OK。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2026-04-08T10:23:52.141000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:23:53.682000+08:00","text":"因為時間到了，謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T10:23:54.043000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:23:54.043000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T10:23:54.543000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T10:23:56.828714+08:00","text":"謝謝林委員的質詢。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T10:23:57.128714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T10:23:59.700143+08:00","text":"下一位請陳秀寳委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}