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在這個使用大數據的時代為資料是非常重要的所以這個部分我們也很擔心會被數位殖民也很擔心會作為國安的破口有認知作戰的這個疑慮那我其實今天是來關心原住民的部分"},{"start":53.027,"end":77.105,"text":"因為如果我們不重視的話其實這個問題對原住民來講它是更加的被邊緣化更加的不利那我舉一個例子像是最近我們都會在Twitter上面或者是臉書上面會看到有一些一模一樣的模板文章那麼呢它"},{"start":78.586,"end":95.139,"text":"會去使用像我是什麼族的人然後怎麼樣怎麼樣可是我們就發現說這一些都是AI生成的人那這些人長得既不像台灣的原住民"},{"start":96.363,"end":121.533,"text":"更糟糕的是整個文化的挪用錯誤那這個部分呢他因為會影響到未來的大數據那他AI錯誤的生成未來呢又繼續的複製這些錯誤給予認知的錯誤或者是造成偏見更嚴重是產生歧視所以這種被自動化的歧視複製錯誤的現象我覺得"},{"start":124.434,"end":139.367,"text":"它不僅僅是同時發布製造輿論帶風向帶流量您看這個圖片上面喔每一個的流量都不少喔像這種模板文章可是你會發現它的流量也非常的大所以"},{"start":139.687,"end":156.285,"text":"他对我们原住民来讲就会影响非同小可那么这样的一个虚假的原住民言论呢对我们来讲就会形成一个灾难那为什么我要特别这样子提因为我知道我们有编列很多AI的经费"},{"start":156.886,"end":178.931,"text":"但是我們往往會忘記原住民或其他的族群其實他們也面臨到一些問題所以我想了解一下就是目前國科會就是你們針對這個部分有沒有一些經費在支持做這樣的一個原住民族的知識權威餘料庫"},{"start":181.172,"end":206.286,"text":"我們在建這個主權AI的語料庫現在正在進行當中是數化部組織那我們也期待原民會是不是可以跟數化部來合作如果我們有更正確的我們援助民主的相關的資料不管是文化面的還是生活面的教育面的等等我們其實都需要更多的語料庫"},{"start":207.847,"end":226.119,"text":"那主委我請問一下,因為我查來查去看來看去,國科會就是有一個援助民族永續科技的預算,六千萬左右。那我想知道,這六千萬是拿來做什麼用?這部分,我想我們請人文處方。好,謝謝。"},{"start":234.823,"end":259.259,"text":"跟委員報告我們這個經費最主要就是我們會有幾個重要的就是原民議題的團隊然後在就是包括有關於編播科技還有就是原民的資料平台等等就是會有相關的這個研究團隊好 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