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你就要先去走啦我現在跟你講不然你到時候我跟你確定戰事一停止你那些設備一定買不到啦不用說我多好聽不然你又高價啦給美國人賺你被人家賺得很爽啊我是被美國賺得很不爽啊我是很確實跟你講美國再貴你們都買"},{"start":530.014,"end":556.762,"text":"但是我們就要算經濟成本啊我跟妳說妳要省費喔 沒到時候買不起來喔真的賺不到貨 先跟妳講 準備一下 準備一下除了妳高價買 人家買100億 台灣就變成買200億啊我們錢多啦 不怕啦這個 不會是這個樣子啦 教委員報告這你敢不敢好 再來我看你們的報告我會很奇怪我們也不會這樣做"},{"start":559.143,"end":585.25,"text":"你當然講不會這麼做啊行事比人強啊乖乖你就要自己賣啦你也沒有什麼辦法啦不用說多厲害啦我是提醒你提早動作提早準備那幾個被炸爛的地區發電廠什麼都沒有了大家都在搶這個生意好不好注意一下我先提醒啊如果發生的時候我到時候會好好的指責你你應該要想準備啦"},{"start":587.93,"end":590.332,"text":"我再來,黃董事長、部長,你講LNG的時候,跟美國講,美國購買,你們這邊大概444億,原油跟天然氣,"},{"start":606.636,"end":631.124,"text":"你說講美國供應比較穩定相對的跟中東澳洲的價格供應穩定價格也比較穩定這樣我很老實你也老實來回答我美國的LNG的話真的會比中東還便宜比美國還便宜嗎"},{"start":634.484,"end":637.95,"text":"美国的天然气它是属于那个页岩气"},{"start":639.178,"end":665.347,"text":"不是啦 你講他的品質 我現在問你價格穩定是怎樣叫做價格穩定過了20%跟人家買 我當然是價格 叫穩定嘛你價格高跟人家買 他有錢賺 他就以你第一優先嘛我現在是問你 你要跟美國買的LNG跟中東買跟澳洲買 那個價格有沒有差別啦"},{"start":666.207,"end":683.995,"text":"差別有多大啦這個價格都是市場競爭性的價格美國人要送到亞洲來的話也要跟其他的來源去做競爭嘛所以他價格應該是有競爭性我真的講啊我相信他不會比中東便宜"},{"start":684.943,"end":713.399,"text":"它一定貴了很多因為拆開的成本也比較高你都這樣給我貨了就貴了我替你爭執好幾次你最好不要騙我啦價格高啦你沒搞啦現在政府是價格高我賣掉了這樣就好了供應無缺如果長期供應要好好的打算一下好 謝謝還有持有競爭的價格你又講到具有競爭性"},{"start":715.031,"end":739.384,"text":"品質穩定,我感覺美國來的酒油,我不知道它的競爭性到哪裡,品質穩定我不敢講,但是以價格的話,美國所有東西不貴你二三十倍,人工成本貴,通貨膨脹什麼都貴,它哪裡會賣你便宜,我們是賠錢,"},{"start":740.956,"end":760.539,"text":"我們可以買一把比較便宜的,但是我們M大頭當了太多太久了,習以為常,好啦,給你美國賣啦,是讓我們自己的國家財力比較污劣,好好考慮,部長,我跟你講的,這不是做生意,這就是你們的政策,什麼都跟美國買都好。"},{"start":762.435,"end":781.009,"text":"但是我們還是想到台灣自己未來的競爭力我們什麼都要搶我只講了一點你不要看電子業看這種傳統因為是QQ鉗鉗的啊你是大手筆的花錢因為產品現在是賺得很難看除了AI這方面剛好起來不然傳統產業電子業都賺錢賺得很累啊我希望你們要能體諒這個啊"},{"start":790.219,"end":815.377,"text":"好不好守著臺灣的財庫讓臺灣的財務耕農後不然你盡量要把中小企業產種產業啊去把他照顧完那個是根根本的沒有那些我們的產業會空中化我講了很久謝謝是中小企業是我們最關心的好不好至於這幾個問題啊世界經濟的變化現在很快啦謝謝好謝謝蔡總理委員謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:05:39.657000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:05:47.700000+08:00","text":"主席，首先有請我們行政院經貿談判辦公室的徐資深代表。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T11:05:47.700000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:05:54.343000+08:00","text":"請徐代表。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:05:54.343000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:05:55.563000+08:00","text":"他怎樣？","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T11:05:55.563000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:05:59.424000+08:00","text":"我們時間暫停好了，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T11:05:59.544000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:06:04.226000+08:00","text":"趕快把人叫回來。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:06:04.226000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:06:06.187000+08:00","text":"沒有關係，我等他，慢慢來。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T11:06:06.187000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:06:07.891000+08:00","text":"「歹勢」啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:06:07.891000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:06:09.595000+08:00","text":"不會啦，不會啦，不是對我「歹勢」啦，可能比較忙還是怎麼樣。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:06:09.595000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:06:10.095000+08:00","text":"慢慢來，慢慢來。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T11:06:38.380000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:06:39.840000+08:00","text":"好，有請徐代表。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"徐資深談判代表兼執行秘書崇欽","start":"2026-04-08T11:06:39.840000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:06:45.942000+08:00","text":"不好意思。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:06:45.942000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:06:50.064000+08:00","text":"徐執行秘書，剛剛我聽了呂玉玲委員質詢關於CPTPP……","quality":0.583},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T11:06:50.404000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:06:52.484000+08:00","text":"後面請保持安靜，謝謝。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:06:52.904000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:07:00.547000+08:00","text":"今天我特別提出來這個問題，因為我也是深受其害的一個。","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:07:02.567000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:07:22.724000+08:00","text":"顏副總談判代表的辭職書裡面有寫了一篇文章，我深有同感，因為，像這樣的人才，想要好好做一件事情，受到無情的打壓，不要說沒有這回事，他是從美國訓練回來的人，對於談判工作非常的執著。","quality":0.835},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:07:24.876000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:07:36.219000+08:00","text":"CPTPP講到現在，我只有說我們政府敷衍了事、應付，就是你打著這個招牌，但你不去營業。","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:07:36.219000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:08:05.632000+08:00","text":"我從108年的時候就開始跟國發會、經濟部等所有談判代表都一直講，當初我已經得到一個消息，就是日本那時候擔任輪值國家，他們在邀請中國大陸去參加CPTPP，並沒有邀請臺灣，我一直把這個消息提供給大家，你們都說不會啦，怎麼樣啦。","quality":0.899},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:08:06.953000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:08:25.015000+08:00","text":"為了CPTPP，我們臺灣把自己從開發中國家變成已開發國家，我們幾乎都放開一切，為了準備加入CPTPP，結果到現在沒有任何一個成果。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:08:26.156000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:08:27.556000+08:00","text":"我今天為什麼會談到這些？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:08:27.716000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:08:58.779000+08:00","text":"CPTPP成員國與我國的貿易總量占我國整體對外貿易總量的20%到30%之間，我現在太久沒有查這個了，CPTPP當初我們從107年就開始一直談這個問題，但是到現在都沒有反應，他寫出的那一句很無奈，說政府是敷衍的態度，所以你們現在講的話我都不信。","quality":0.757},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:08:59.679000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:09:01.279000+08:00","text":"那我怎麼講我是受害者？","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:09:02.260000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:09:23.927000+08:00","text":"我是Sogo案被判刑的人，我當初就是因為那個人，新加坡的一個談判代表跟我講，他涉及新加坡的經貿談判，當初的情形是這樣，我為了感謝他這一句話，我打了一通電話，這樣我被……所以我感觸很深啦！","quality":0.819},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:09:25.494000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:09:31.236000+08:00","text":"別再說假話了，我相信我們龔部長當過國發會的主委，都很清楚這一段歷史。","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:09:32.036000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:09:42.459000+08:00","text":"所以你們現在偏廢了CPTPP，你們以ART臺美關稅協定當為主題，全部一窩蜂的就過去。","quality":0.744},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:09:42.920000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:10:01.574000+08:00","text":"你簡單的回答一下，老實的回答一下，這些委員裡面，大概當初我們都有參與，CPTPP是我們最重要要突破的，多角貿易關稅協定最主要的一個，臺灣把自己從開發中國家調升為已開發國家。","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"徐資深談判代表兼執行秘書崇欽","start":"2026-04-08T11:10:07.093000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:10:18.643000+08:00","text":"向委員報告，首先，委員剛剛垂詢有關於顏副總在辭職信裡面所說的事情，行政院這邊已經有外聘委員組成調查小組在調查當中……","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:10:19.664000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:10:26.971000+08:00","text":"那個調查小組我不管啦，那是你們的事，我是說就我們加入多邊協定你們的態度，不要偏離主題，好不好？","quality":0.69},{"speaker":"徐資深談判代表兼執行秘書崇欽","start":"2026-04-08T11:10:27.311000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:10:32.633000+08:00","text":"是，有關於加入CPTPP，政府相關單位一直都很努力在全力推動……","quality":0.607},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:10:32.633000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:10:33.633000+08:00","text":"沒有進展，你們都忘了！","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:10:33.033000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:10:35.674000+08:00","text":"你們都忘了，川普一上來就打關稅議題，你們把它忘了……","quality":0.682},{"speaker":"徐資深談判代表兼執行秘書崇欽","start":"2026-04-08T11:10:35.674000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:10:36.674000+08:00","text":"CPTPP有三個原則，我們都很努力地在處理……","quality":0.1},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:10:36.114000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:10:36.654000+08:00","text":"我們要針對一個，我們要去突破一個嘛！","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:10:36.794000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:10:37.694000+08:00","text":"我們這樣才安全嘛……","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐資深談判代表兼執行秘書崇欽","start":"2026-04-08T11:10:37.694000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:10:38.694000+08:00","text":"目前的話，最大的問題是在共識決……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:10:37.914000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:10:39.015000+08:00","text":"還是多邊的，好不好？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:10:39.275000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:10:39.815000+08:00","text":"不要再強辯了，真的是你們的錯誤。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:10:49.695000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:10:53.500000+08:00","text":"從美國提出對等關稅以來，CPTPP幾乎被你們忘記掉了，好不好？","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:10:54.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:10:54.240000+08:00","text":"請回座……","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"徐資深談判代表兼執行秘書崇欽","start":"2026-04-08T11:10:55.242000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:10:56.083000+08:00","text":"我們沒有忘記，我們就一直很努力地在推動……","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:10:56.643000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:10:59.927000+08:00","text":"你們忘記了，不要講沒有忘記，官話我們聽多了啦！","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:11:00.528000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:11:00.528000+08:00","text":"請回座。是。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:11:02.150000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:11:03.111000+08:00","text":"好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:11:03.311000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:11:04.452000+08:00","text":"我不聽這種話。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:11:04.452000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:11:14.175000+08:00","text":"因為從一個資深的副總談判代表手中寫出來，代表他心中的無奈跟憤怒，跟對政府的不滿，記住這句話就好。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:11:14.896000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:11:20.628000+08:00","text":"然後我要請我們龔部長，還有中油的方董事長。","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-08T11:11:20.628000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:11:26.175000+08:00","text":"陳委員好。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:11:26.175000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:11:26.476000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:11:27.136000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:11:27.656000+08:00","text":"方董事長好。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:11:28.416000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:11:29.797000+08:00","text":"今天你有沒有笑容？","quality":1},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-08T11:11:30.777000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:11:31.157000+08:00","text":"沒有笑容。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:11:31.757000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:11:35.718000+08:00","text":"你要增資要成功啦，要增資3,500億。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:11:36.739000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:11:52.691000+08:00","text":"我每次都跟每個部長講，我說這些部長只疼台電，不疼中油，你好像是一個不被重視的孩子，現在政府終於提出了3,500億。","quality":0.854},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:11:53.311000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:12:01.483000+08:00","text":"龔部長應該記得，我那時一直說中油一定要增資，你為了穩定民生物價，你曉得嗎？","quality":0.697},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:12:01.483000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:12:08.866000+08:00","text":"是賠中油的錢來支持台電，台電有增資了，中油一直虧損下來，我說負擔不了。","quality":0.839},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:12:09.947000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:12:14.369000+08:00","text":"當然世界多變化，包括COVID-19、烏俄戰爭，還有現在中東的戰爭，你看起來怎麼樣，油價還會不會繼續的上漲？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-08T11:12:26.151000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:12:39.764000+08:00","text":"報告委員，今天因為美伊雙方有一個暫時性的協定，要停火兩個禮拜，油價馬上從一百多塊跌到九十幾塊，所以還是要看戰事的變化。","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:12:40.545000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:12:58.614000+08:00","text":"我現在是要跟你請教一個問題，如果依照美伊戰爭的狀況，把周邊的石油提煉設備、油氣的什麼設備都打垮掉了，你要再重整的話，大概要抓多少時間？","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:12:58.614000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:13:01.315000+08:00","text":"那時的供用量就減少了，要未雨綢繆。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-08T11:13:01.315000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:13:03.016000+08:00","text":"對，因為……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:13:03.016000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:13:06.698000+08:00","text":"還有台電的董事長在哪裡？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-08T11:13:06.698000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:13:07.158000+08:00","text":"董事長在這裡。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:13:07.158000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:13:07.658000+08:00","text":"董事長，好久不見了。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:13:13.305000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:13:18.007000+08:00","text":"我記得你們要買美國的那個244億，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:13:18.407000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:13:19.107000+08:00","text":"就是採購美國的發電設備嘛。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"曾董事長文生","start":"2026-04-08T11:13:19.107000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:13:20.107000+08:00","text":"你是說那個……252億。","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"曾董事長文生","start":"2026-04-08T11:13:20.107000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:13:21.107000+08:00","text":"252億，但是它不是全部是……不是只有台電……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:13:19.307000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:13:24.328000+08:00","text":"252億喔，我看到金額又增加了，你們隨時都很……","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-08T11:13:24.648000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:13:25.308000+08:00","text":"不是只有台電。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"曾董事長文生","start":"2026-04-08T11:13:25.308000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:13:27.369000+08:00","text":"不是只有台電。","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:13:27.369000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:13:44.007000+08:00","text":"我跟你說一件事情，你要特別注意，你們現在就要動了，要買要趕快買，不然你買不到。","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:13:45.209000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:13:52.580000+08:00","text":"因為這幾個油廠，這幾個發電廠都全部被打掉了，你到時候買不到機器喔，我先跟你講。","quality":1},{"speaker":"曾董事長文生","start":"2026-04-08T11:13:53.967000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:13:59.551000+08:00","text":"報告委員，謝謝你的提醒，我們台電其實很積極在爭取這一些天然氣機組。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:13:59.551000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:14:00.431000+08:00","text":"沒有啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:14:00.831000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:14:03.913000+08:00","text":"你就要先去訂啦。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"曾董事長文生","start":"2026-04-08T11:14:03.913000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:14:04.913000+08:00","text":"都已經……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:14:04.113000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:14:09.777000+08:00","text":"我現在跟你講，我跟你確定的說，到時候戰事一停止，那些設備你一定買不到啦！","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:14:10.477000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:14:17.722000+08:00","text":"不用說得多好聽，不然你又得花高價啦，給美國人賺，你被人家賺得很爽啊，我是被美國賺得很不爽啊。","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:14:19.143000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:14:26.335000+08:00","text":"我是很確實跟你講，美國再貴你們都買，但是我們就要算經濟成本啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:14:28.135000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:14:35.377000+08:00","text":"我跟你說，你要先買喔，不然到時候買不到機具喔，真的訂不到喔，先跟你講要準備一下、準備一下……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"曾董事長文生","start":"2026-04-08T11:14:35.377000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:14:36.678000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員提醒……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:14:36.678000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:14:42.519000+08:00","text":"到時你只能高價買，人家買100億，臺灣就變成買200億，我們錢多啦，不怕啦！","quality":0.815},{"speaker":"曾董事長文生","start":"2026-04-08T11:14:43.920000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:14:46.120000+08:00","text":"不會是這個樣子啦，跟委員報告，這個你……","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:14:47.221000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:14:49.982000+08:00","text":"好，再來，我看你們的報告，我很奇怪啦……","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"曾董事長文生","start":"2026-04-08T11:14:50.082000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:14:50.742000+08:00","text":"你不會同意，我們也不會這樣做。","quality":0.615},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:14:53.143000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:14:56.244000+08:00","text":"你當然講不會這麼做，但形勢比人強啊！","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:14:57.704000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:15:00.325000+08:00","text":"你就要乖乖地跟他買啦，你也沒有什麼辦法啦！","quality":0.684},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:15:00.945000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:15:01.685000+08:00","text":"不用說你有多厲害啦！","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:15:01.905000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:15:10.728000+08:00","text":"我是提醒你要提早動作、提早準備，那幾個被炸爛的地區，發電廠什麼都沒有了，大家都在搶這個生意。是。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:15:12.328000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:15:13.568000+08:00","text":"注意一下，我先提醒啦！","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:15:15.009000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:15:19.230000+08:00","text":"如果發生的話，到時候會好好的指責你，你應該要先準備啦。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:15:22.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:16:04.003000+08:00","text":"再來我要請教方董事長、部長，你講LNG的時候，跟美國購買的大概是444億的原油跟天然氣，你說美國供應比較穩定，相對於中東、澳洲的價格，它供應穩定，價格也比較穩定，我很老實，你也老實的回答我，美國的LNG真的會比中東他們還便宜？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:16:04.003000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:16:05.003000+08:00","text":"是不是？","quality":0},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-08T11:16:04.364000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:16:10.848000+08:00","text":"報告委員，美國的天然氣是屬於頁岩氣，那麼……","quality":0.389},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:16:13.178000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:16:13.678000+08:00","text":"不是啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:16:14.338000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:16:19.560000+08:00","text":"你講它的品質，我現在問你所謂的價格穩定，怎樣叫做價格穩定？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-08T11:16:19.560000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:16:20.560000+08:00","text":"它的價格……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:16:20.560000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:16:30.544000+08:00","text":"貴了20%跟人家買，當然是價格較穩定嘛，你以高價格跟人家買，他有錢賺，他就以你為優先嘛。","quality":0.865},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:16:31.264000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:16:39.107000+08:00","text":"我現在是問你，你要跟美國買LNG，跟中東買、跟澳洲買，那個價格有沒有差別？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:16:40.207000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:16:41.168000+08:00","text":"差別有多大？","quality":1},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-08T11:16:42.828000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:16:52.913000+08:00","text":"這個價格都是市場競爭性的價格，美國的LNG要送到亞洲來的話，也要跟其他的來源去做競爭，所以它的價格應該是競爭性的。","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:16:53.673000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:17:12.791000+08:00","text":"我跟你說，我講真的啦，我相信它不會比中東便宜，它一定貴了很多，因為油頁岩開採的成本比較高，你都這樣跟我「唬」一下就過去了，我替你增資好幾次，你最好不要騙我，價格高啦，你不厲害啦！","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:17:14.652000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:17:22.977000+08:00","text":"現在的政府是價格高我把它買下來，這樣就好了，供應無缺，但如果長期供應就要好好打算一下。","quality":0.795},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-08T11:17:23.517000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:17:24.678000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:17:25.358000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:17:46.120000+08:00","text":"關於石油競爭的價格，你又講到具有競爭性、品質穩定，我覺得美國來的石油我不知道它的競爭性到哪裡，品質穩定的部分我不敢講，但是以價格來說，美國所有東西不貴你二、三十倍，我的頭讓你踹！","quality":0.787},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:17:47.921000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:18:02.545000+08:00","text":"人工成本貴、通貨膨脹，什麼都貴，它哪裡會賣你便宜，我們是賠錢，我們可以買比較便宜的，但是我們當冤大頭當太多、太久就習以為常，認為說好啦，就跟美國買啦！","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:18:03.466000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:18:07.311000+08:00","text":"這是在浪費我們自己國家的財力跟物力，這個要好好考慮。","quality":0.542},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:18:07.311000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:18:31.946000+08:00","text":"部長，我跟你講，這不是做生意，這叫做你們的政策，什麼都跟美國買都好，但是我們還是要想到臺灣自己未來的競爭力，我們什麼都要搶，我只講了一點，你不要看電子業、傳產，他們是很節省的，你們是大手筆的花錢，他們現在是賺得很辛苦耶！","quality":0.845},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:18:32.347000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:18:44.519000+08:00","text":"除了AI這一方面剛好起來，不然傳統產業、電子業都賺錢賺得很累，我希望你們要能體諒這個部分好不好？","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:18:45.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:18:56.528000+08:00","text":"守著臺灣的財庫，讓臺灣的財富更豐厚，不然你就要儘量把中小企業、傳統產業照顧好，那個是根本耶！","quality":0.732},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:18:57.448000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:19:01.151000+08:00","text":"沒有那些，我們的產業會空洞化，我講了很久，謝謝。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-08T11:19:01.151000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:19:03.853000+08:00","text":"是、好，中小企業是我們最關心的。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-08T11:19:06.695000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:19:09.117000+08:00","text":"注意這幾個問題，世界經濟的變化現在很快了，謝謝。是。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T11:19:09.157000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:19:09.377000+08:00","text":"謝謝陳超明委員，謝謝。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T11:19:09.877000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:19:13.305571+08:00","text":"接下來有請賴瑞隆委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}