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這個部分我們後續還是會持續關注相關一個能源的一個變化你還是沒有答過我的問題 對不起 總管理師我沒有要為安你但是你跟我講短期是對委員會講的 也對我講的那我請教你的567 後面還有沒有890"},{"start":725.221,"end":747.832,"text":"剛剛有跟委員報告就是目前我們是先就是初步是規劃這三個月啦那或許我們當然還是會持續去關注這個國際的一個能源的一個變化那我們還是會會去檢討我們的相關一個調度的策略我還是聽不出來你對我的隨選的題目的範疇裡面的回應就是"},{"start":749.566,"end":766.902,"text":"我用另外一個角度來講就是你今天沒辦法答覆我所謂的短期調度是你們自己短暫的思維說我的短期調度叫5、6、7所以如果未來我多增加1個月、2個月其實也在你們短期調度的範疇裡面是不是這樣?如果是這樣你先答覆我這樣就好了"},{"start":770.74,"end":795.175,"text":"報告委員因為這個部分真的很難很難在這邊就完全就是做一個很明確的一個答覆因為這畢竟是一個相關能源的證明好吧你沒有辦法答覆我那你就請回去見請你們的高層還有相關的這個可以決定這事情的人跟他們清楚的表達我們所謂台電要應驗這個能源短期的供應基本上就不要思考在這個地方"},{"start":796.135,"end":800.782,"text":"因為這個地方我們很難跟人家用短期三個月去做一個承諾嘿"},{"start":803.655,"end":821.874,"text":"是不是要改其他的地方去做思考?能不能把這樣的一個問題帶回去?好的,我會把這個問題帶回去,我們以後持續盤點可用的一個資源好,謝謝,來請管理師回去喔,謝謝老闆,不好意思啦,我應該說這個過程,我比以前修楊耀偉都勒陷中,人家又換了,很清楚的那時候要修這個石油礁,那是沒有很久的啦"},{"start":827.139,"end":831.862,"text":"真的是沒有很久的,我是覺得因為我們的地方以前就是有全國家全國全國全國全國全國全國全國全國"},{"start":837.222,"end":854.673,"text":"已經對這件事、對這件事已經很難告白,好不容易我們建基石油廠會燒,也好不容易這三座的美資族也已經準備落石要拆掉,想要在台北應營這個領域的資源的時候,就想在這裡來。"},{"start":861.497,"end":873.563,"text":"像你這裡是說,一路2號3號,2號已經停,一路3號還沒停,好,從這裡來,從這裡來你講是低級的,你的低級到底當時是低級,所以我剛才說了,你也要保證,你也要給我承諾說,你有時候去跟川普說,欸欸欸,你每一戰爭打到5、6、7而已,同歸於你,同歸於你再提早,你不要把我扯到1個月喔,不然在中央的民國,你懷疑無緣無故我把你送下去,叫做5、6、7短期喔,我如果扯過去就對了,我有吃辣了喔,"},{"start":890.236,"end":894.019,"text":"你怎麼可以去處理這個啊?不然你不要在市委員會說你這個很低級的啊對啊,站在空氣污染的角度,你是全國統管的這個空氣維護的一種機關的首長我們就是面對啊,沒有,台電你這個介入是有問題啊"},{"start":909.246,"end":937.631,"text":"你這個假的如果有問題就對了,我站在空氣有量,風濕的角度,我也不可以跟你們同意,我也不可以替你賠錢,是不是應該讓我們來處理?我這個部分我們會再來了解,我們最近其實因為因應這個戰爭,那我們也知道這個能源的穩定,他們有一些想法出來,那我們其實也在做一些相關的模擬預估,大概對空品衝擊會多少,那我們完成之後再跟委員再做一個報告,"},{"start":938.391,"end":954.953,"text":"因為這件事情我是希望說能夠用的越少越好啦例如說他是不是可以做到像這個高雄的用一個緊急備用電力的這個設施來處理那有一個720小時的限制那因為這是他們提出來的那我們後續的也會來把關也會來監督"},{"start":956.475,"end":982.948,"text":"反正我的立場很清楚啦我也把問題點出來嘛對不對如果這些都沒有辦法讓我們去去能夠釋懷兼理解的情況之下這種這種這種應應的緊急的這種這種策略這種政策基本上就就就不要不要從這個地方從這個地方去做思考去做執行了是是好沒問題最後包采的問題啦最後包采的問題我還是要特別提醒那天有跟農業部也有跟經濟部"},{"start":984.509,"end":999.492,"text":"還有環境部最主要我們都有很多是資源回收在利用然後我們也從很多的營務料裡面還有很多的素材裡面在提升這個去成為這個包材的這個商品"},{"start":1000.633,"end":1026.053,"text":"那現在就是很多包材的油料在漲價嘛那應該我們不管是以前的環保署、現在環境部、經濟部、農業部等還有其他的單位都有那我一直沒有看到說我們政府現在站出來說你塑膠去,但是我自然維修再利用的部分我們這個包材就對了,坦白講就可以在這個時間點釋出來甚至可以去抑制這樣的一個塑膠包材的漲價"},{"start":1027.894,"end":1054.862,"text":"我們的政策一直以來就叫為你籌謀一直以來就是為環境這樣的一個永續來打拚沒有了 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