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謝謝陳廷輝委員接下來我們有請"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-09T09:21:15.429000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:21:15.690000+08:00","text":"謝謝召委，請部長。","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T09:21:15.690000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T09:21:16.690000+08:00","text":"哪個部？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-09T09:21:15.690000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:21:15.690000+08:00","text":"經濟部長。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T09:21:15.690000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T09:21:16.690000+08:00","text":"我們請經濟部龔部長。","quality":0.222},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-09T09:21:15.830000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:21:15.870000+08:00","text":"還有農業部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T09:21:15.870000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:21:15.910000+08:00","text":"請農業部陳部長。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-09T09:21:15.910000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T09:21:42.203000+08:00","text":"委員早安。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-09T09:21:42.203000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:21:43.744000+08:00","text":"謝謝兩位部長，辛苦了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-09T09:21:44.164000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:22:23.585000+08:00","text":"這段時間因為中東的衝突造成整個國際情勢的改變，還有臺南在臺灣整個所謂的民生物料、農業物料一些需求的變動，所以我想了解一下，之前我也跟部長討論過，除了塑膠，其實也包括吸管、水管、日用品等等，說真的，還有一些工業用品，我想工業用品也是影響很大，他們的需求度……包括工業產品包材、高科技製程原料、石化基礎原料、紡織、機械、鋼鐵等等，這些我們怎麼辦？","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-09T09:22:23.585000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:22:23.605000+08:00","text":"部長，溝通了嗎？","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-09T09:22:26.316000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:22:41.847000+08:00","text":"報告委員，因為我們現在有成立了……當然現在傳出來的主要是塑膠袋，現在我們成立了跨部會的平臺，只要部會主管的塑膠用品、製成的用品有缺就馬上反映給我們。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-09T09:22:42.087000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:22:43.368000+08:00","text":"塑膠原料的部分？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-09T09:22:43.588000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:22:48.531000+08:00","text":"對、對、對，塑膠原料所製成的製品，如果有需要就趕快反映給我們，我們會協調、調度。","quality":0.697},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-09T09:22:48.531000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:22:59.178000+08:00","text":"所以你們現在所了解的，它的關鍵點全部、幾乎都是因為塑膠原料所突發的狀況，是不是？","quality":0.861},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-09T09:22:59.618000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:23:14.906000+08:00","text":"包括有些工業，因為我們當時也有請產發署協助，有些我們工業的企業在第一時間沒有辦法得到他們所需要的相關原物料，是不是？","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-09T09:23:15.106000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:23:27.914000+08:00","text":"是，所以我們也做了一些媒合，包括您提到的塑膠原料之外，還有甲醇、溶劑、醫材、塑膠製品的部分，只要讓我們知道，我們馬上透過媒合。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-09T09:23:28.154000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:23:28.875000+08:00","text":"所以不只是塑膠嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-09T09:23:28.875000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T09:23:29.875000+08:00","text":"對、對、對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-09T09:23:29.675000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:23:49.549000+08:00","text":"其實工業的部分我這邊就得到很多訊息，所以我必須說，也謝謝我們第一時間跟產發署對口的時候產發署都有協助，可是畢竟這是開端而已，中東衝突會發生到什麼時候也不知道，我們希望能趕快告一段落，可是這不是我們能夠控制的。是。","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-09T09:23:50.710000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:24:25.833000+08:00","text":"在這個前提之下，這個平臺我們應該讓所有的工業、產業，甚至小吃業還有商圈都知道，當他們有遇到困難的時候要尋求誰的幫助，這個很重要，你這個平臺不是只有建立在你們自己知道的平臺，是你要讓大家知道、所有的工業區知道、所有相關的產業知道、商圈知道、小吃業知道，還有市場知道，這才是重點啊！是。","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-09T09:24:26.753000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:24:55.174000+08:00","text":"因為這不是只有塑膠而已，現在所影響的其實已經慢慢的有不同的聲音跟狀態，所以我要拜託部長，昨天我們有對話過，在整個民生的部分，我們希望經濟部在一個禮拜內能夠把這樣的問題穩定下來。","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-09T09:24:55.674000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:25:08.822000+08:00","text":"我順便請公平會代理主委，我一直在講的，主委，我不知道您幫了什麼忙，你們有幫了什麼忙？","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-09T09:25:08.822000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:25:09.482000+08:00","text":"公平會有幫了什麼忙？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-04-09T09:25:09.542000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:25:15.748000+08:00","text":"目前針對塑膠這一塊，我們是跨部會聯稽小組的成員，配合法務部。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-09T09:25:15.948000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:25:16.889000+08:00","text":"你們只是成員之一？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-04-09T09:25:17.069000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:25:19.751000+08:00","text":"沒有，我們自己本身也有立案調查，針對塑膠……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-09T09:25:20.412000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:25:20.973000+08:00","text":"立了幾個案？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-04-09T09:25:21.533000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:25:25.577000+08:00","text":"目前我們查過的，包含聯稽在內，有17個廠商我們去看過了。","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-09T09:25:26.578000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:25:26.798000+08:00","text":"結果呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-04-09T09:25:27.238000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:25:40.914000+08:00","text":"結果當然就是因為戰爭的影響，原物料成本增加，所以價格有波動，供貨不確定，但是我們的重點在聯合行為，我想委員也知道，關於聯合行為的部分，目前我們看起來是沒有所謂的聯合拒絕出貨。","quality":0.911},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-09T09:25:41.114000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:25:54.219000+08:00","text":"上次我就質詢過，你們重點是在聯合行為，現在的廠商不會那麼笨，知道你公平會會以聯合行為來查他們，他還會用聯合行為在那邊等你來查嗎？","quality":0.898},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-09T09:25:54.219000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:25:54.860000+08:00","text":"不會嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-09T09:25:56.081000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:26:08.584000+08:00","text":"所以不要再講聯合行為，目前我們所需要的是幫消費者穩定他內心的恐慌跟不確定性，你們的責任在這裡。","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-04-09T09:26:08.584000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:26:15.905000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告一下，我們必須在我們的職掌範圍內去做這件事情，所以我們可不可以直接介入個別廠商的價格調整？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-04-09T09:26:16.606000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:26:19.686000+08:00","text":"這個在職掌上來講可能有一點限制。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃：我希望公平會不要再很高空的說","start":"2026-04-09T09:26:24.468000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:26:26.708000+08:00","text":"我們是針對聯合行為。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃：我希望公平會不要再很高空的說","start":"2026-04-09T09:26:26.708000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:26:31.710000+08:00","text":"現在不會有聯合行為，這麼短的時間還會有聯合行為？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃：我希望公平會不要再很高空的說","start":"2026-04-09T09:26:31.930000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:26:39.072000+08:00","text":"我就跟你講，他只要晚個2天、3天出貨，價格就跳動了，不用聯合行為啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-04-09T09:26:39.472000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:26:42.653000+08:00","text":"但是我們的調查可以產生嚇阻，我覺得還是可以產生對廠商的嚇阻效果。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-09T09:26:42.953000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:26:46.914000+08:00","text":"好啦，我希望啦，其實我對你沒有很大的信心，我只能說希望。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-09T09:26:47.054000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:26:52.168000+08:00","text":"再來請我們的農業部部長。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-09T09:26:52.168000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T09:26:53.168000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-09T09:26:52.348000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:27:02.199000+08:00","text":"現在大概就是農業產品的包材、肥料，還有米價的問題，這個部分我們有掌控到第一手的消息嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-09T09:27:02.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:27:28.560000+08:00","text":"第一個部分，我跟委員報告，肥料我們持續凍漲，凍漲是由政府跟台肥吸收價差的一個問題，更重要的是，我們要確保量能滿足農民的需求，我們現在也要求台肥，關於它現在所有的各項肥料，氮肥的部分至少可以到8月，現在也增加訂了，目標是到12月，磷肥、鉀肥是可以到12月，這是第一個部分。","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-09T09:27:29.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:27:52.119000+08:00","text":"第二個部分是有關於在肥料的實名制的過程中，我們可以很精準的了解各地的配送、農會的配送，所以我們現在也啟動實名制的後臺可以讓台肥看到，它可以知道哪邊缺肥，然後送哪邊，這樣的調度就不會造成在COVID-19、111年的時候缺肥的情況。","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-09T09:27:52.119000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:27:55.082000+08:00","text":"所以你們有掌控到所謂包材的問題、肥料的問題，那米價呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-09T09:27:58.707000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:28:18.291000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告，兩公斤米的包裝袋是5塊錢，它漲了15%到20%，是漲了0.75元，但是如果換算成米價，一包米二百多塊，它增加了0.75元，它實際上增加的百分比非常低，而且我們也跟糧商經過座談討論，他們也承諾不會漲價。","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-09T09:28:22.655000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:28:24.916000+08:00","text":"這個很重要，大家共體時艱啦！是。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-09T09:28:25.177000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:28:50.194000+08:00","text":"我們也知道大家不願意看到因為國際情勢、所謂戰爭的變動而造成大家的消費壓力，所以我們希望我們能夠共撐、共過這樣的一個困難點，這才是現在政府應該共同跟我們民眾彼此有信心的最重要關鍵。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-09T09:28:50.355000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:28:53.798000+08:00","text":"我要再問經濟部長，農業部長可以休息。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-09T09:28:55.919000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:29:12.382000+08:00","text":"基本上，我們有去了解到整個營建等等以及這一次在工程的部分，像我昨天跟你談的，針對這些所謂的相關周邊產品，我們還有了解到哪些有受到這一波的影響？","quality":0.894},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-09T09:29:13.547000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:29:14.588000+08:00","text":"工程主要是瀝青。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-09T09:29:14.588000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T09:29:17.190000+08:00","text":"就瀝青嘛。","quality":0},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-09T09:29:17.190000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:29:19.632000+08:00","text":"對，主要現在傳出來的是瀝青。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-09T09:29:20.673000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:29:33.965000+08:00","text":"關於瀝青，我們現在存貨大概可以供應到5月底沒有問題，現在台塑在6月份有積極的進口一些可以製造瀝青的原料進來。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-09T09:29:35.236000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:29:36.637000+08:00","text":"我為什麼會問部長？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-09T09:29:36.637000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:29:59.072000+08:00","text":"部長，我覺得要請你們同仁辛苦一點，然後去做盤整，因為本來大家認為不會拖那麼久，可是確實中東好像已經一發不可收拾，如果在這個前提之下，所引發的問題可能會更大，所以你們要事先盤整、預先預防，我覺得這樣人民才能安心，謝謝。謝謝。","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T09:29:59.292000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:29:59.412000+08:00","text":"謝謝陳亭妃委員。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T09:29:59.412000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:29:59.852000+08:00","text":"接下來有請賴瑞隆委員質詢。","quality":0.417}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}