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好 謝謝那再來我是不是請一下農業部好嗎"},{"start":409.807,"end":434.846,"text":"我是要肯定農業部陳部長跟所有同仁的努力我們的防疫作為讓我們重回了三大病株的非疫區那這個部分其實也是一個很不容易又再恢復回來的我們也希望後續上面持續要穩健的守住那除了這個之外我們也希望把台灣豬這樣的品牌持續推向國際讓更多人知道主委這件事情上有沒有什麼樣的作為跟看法"},{"start":435.406,"end":454.285,"text":"我想第一個部分就是這次能夠非常快地重回我們的WHO所認定的一個非疫區最主要是我們當初大家一起努力用高強度的靜音靜載然後儘速的清零讓這個病源鎖在一個案例場那後續大概一個半月就通過了"},{"start":455.286,"end":476.941,"text":"這個對於農業部的作為我必須給予肯定所以後續我想我們持續邊境的管制後市場的稽查跟養豬場的生物安全這三個面向我們會持續的去努力那更重要的是外銷我們要讓我們的豬肉重返外銷市場所以我們現在也在跟主要的外銷的這些廠商聯絡別拿幾個是我們現在主要想要去珍惜的外銷市場"},{"start":477.802,"end":502.515,"text":"菲律賓現在是過往我們之前已經好不容易打通的生鮮豬肉可以外銷的部分所以這個部分我想會努力還有一個新加坡的部分也是我們在努力的部分那日本的部分因為我們本來幾乎快談成了就是可以生鮮外銷後來因為又有非洲豬的問題那現在我們會從儘速的再去跟日本市場去做爭取但是日本的加工的豬肉是沒問題的"},{"start":503.676,"end":520.749,"text":"所以我們也希望日本這塊 剛剛幾個國家的部分我們也希望盡快的打通這樣的一個通路讓台灣豬更加的行銷到其他的國家去對 我們會來努力那另外最後一個我請教一下有一些講法對美談判裡面有所謂的滅龍這樣的說法主委 這個是事實嗎我覺得"},{"start":522.472,"end":540.802,"text":"外界這種滅龍我覺得是一個不負責任的說法因為SSG的免徵其實它只針對美國它整個制度還是在的然後我們在這樣子的一個進口的一個設計的保護的過程中第一關就是進口產品一定要低於其他的競爭對手國"},{"start":541.903,"end":561.142,"text":"他如果沒有低於其他競爭對手國他也沒辦法進來很順暢然後另外我們有TRQ的保護那TRQ的保護的過程中就還是有一些關稅的一個阻擋的部分所以我想我們有很好的一個作為那萬一有什麼樣子需要去協助的部分我們有農安基金來協助"},{"start":561.923,"end":573.28,"text":"部長這未來可能會越來越多這樣的說法我希望農業部要立即的澄清跟說明讓大家知道我們在保護我們的農業在保護我們的農民上面的作為是很積極的是好謝謝部長好謝謝好謝謝各位農委員接下來"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-09T09:30:09.234000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:30:09.234000+08:00","text":"謝謝召委。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-09T09:30:10.535000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:30:15.540000+08:00","text":"請龔部長，還有公平會陳代理主委跟法務部李專委。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T09:30:16.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:30:16.721000+08:00","text":"請龔部長、公平會、法務部。","quality":0.3},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-09T09:30:16.721000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T09:30:18.151000+08:00","text":"賴委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-09T09:30:18.151000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:30:39.448000+08:00","text":"部長，我先請教一個問題，昨天有委員關心到楠梓園區台積電的水電準備好了，我記得在去年4月25號質詢過郭智輝部長，P6廠的水和電都已經準備好了，也都沒有問題，事實上國際大廠的投資也一定準備好才敢投資，沒有準備好，沒有人敢投資的！","quality":0.899},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-09T09:30:40.629000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:30:41.130000+08:00","text":"經過一年有變化嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-09T09:30:41.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:30:41.310000+08:00","text":"水、電有變化嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-09T09:30:45.393000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:30:46.654000+08:00","text":"應該是沒有，應該是OK的！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-09T09:30:46.954000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:30:47.595000+08:00","text":"都沒有問題嘛？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-09T09:30:47.595000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:30:49.176000+08:00","text":"如果有問題，他們會跟我講。對啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-09T09:30:49.356000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:30:51.937000+08:00","text":"水、電問題應該主要都是在經濟部轄下負責的。對。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-09T09:30:51.937000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:30:52.538000+08:00","text":"問你最清楚了。對。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-09T09:30:53.078000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:30:53.618000+08:00","text":"水電是沒有問題了。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-09T09:30:54.919000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:31:02.384000+08:00","text":"因為去年11月25號（半年前）我們也考察過，一樣沒有問題，我想這個要再次確認，因為這樣會引起大家很大的擔憂。是。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-09T09:31:03.004000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:31:03.604000+08:00","text":"我想這個是沒有問題的！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-09T09:31:05.666000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:31:19.474000+08:00","text":"我再問一下，對於最近的水情，大家也高度關心，清明連假的時候高屏溪的流量有大幅增加了，從7.5cms增加到19.1，所以水情目前看起來應該相對是穩定吧？","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-09T09:31:20.134000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:31:27.858000+08:00","text":"對，因為這一波鋒面的雨情還算是OK，但是我們還是要持續觀察。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-09T09:31:28.279000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:31:28.519000+08:00","text":"謹慎小心啦！對。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-09T09:31:29.039000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:31:30.780000+08:00","text":"因為接下來枯水期還沒有結束。","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-09T09:31:30.780000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T09:31:31.780000+08:00","text":"對，沒有錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-09T09:31:31.700000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:31:37.383000+08:00","text":"也希望後面持續有穩定性的降雨，讓中南部水情能更加穩定。是。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-09T09:31:39.043000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:31:40.124000+08:00","text":"這個請部長再持續關注。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-09T09:31:41.425000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:32:00.894000+08:00","text":"接下來回到今天的主題，我還是想要請教一下部長，其實我們已經有增加生產量，不管是中油或台塑化，中油有增加整個量，5月份會到9萬噸；台塑化的部分，兩個廠裡面供應內需的廠也沒有問題嘛！","quality":0.924},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-09T09:32:00.894000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T09:32:01.894000+08:00","text":"對，增加了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-09T09:32:00.894000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:32:10.501000+08:00","text":"所以在整個原料增加的狀況下，還是面臨到一些漲價的問題，現在除了缺貨以外，另外一個是漲價的問題。是。","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-09T09:32:10.521000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:32:10.761000+08:00","text":"漲價的問題，部長怎麼協助解決？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-09T09:32:26.131000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:32:36.256000+08:00","text":"報告委員，這邊提到原來是2.2萬噸，現在增加了5,500噸，這5,000噸裡面我們會提供一個平價的，這個平價的部分按照台塑給我們的資料明天就可以開始出貨，這一批貨到塑膠袋的製造端……","quality":0.486},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-09T09:32:36.656000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:32:43.559000+08:00","text":"部長，在抑制漲價這個部分，經濟部這邊跟各部會之間會全力協助？是。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-09T09:32:45.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:32:58.168000+08:00","text":"現在看來有的甚至漲價50%，對於這個部分，部裡面跟各部會會全力穩住這樣一個漲價的狀況，是嗎？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-09T09:32:59.369000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:33:12.845000+08:00","text":"對，前兩天跟商圈座談，當然有一部分是有漲價，就像您講的，大概漲30%左右，但事實上也有很好的通路商，他們跟這些攤商說絕對不漲價！","quality":0.982},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-09T09:33:13.926000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:33:17.729000+08:00","text":"我希望部裡面要全力讓這些部分能夠穩定下來，好不好？是。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-09T09:33:18.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:33:26.637000+08:00","text":"因為攤商都是在第一線的，這個部分如果有漲價就會造成大家心理的波動，缺貨絕對不能夠發生，而漲價這部分也要有效的去遏阻，好不好？對。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-09T09:33:28.018000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:33:29.439000+08:00","text":"我問一下公平會主委好嗎？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-09T09:33:29.439000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:33:33.603000+08:00","text":"在漲價這件事情跟缺貨、囤貨這件事情上面公平會的作為？","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-04-09T09:33:34.023000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:33:44.550000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告一下，公平會是針對有沒有聯合拒絕出貨、聯合漲價的行為，目前看起來是沒有這樣的行為，但是我們的確觀察到價格有上漲，供貨有一點……","quality":0.934},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-09T09:33:44.550000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:33:55.554000+08:00","text":"我希望公平會更積極查處，你們有查處才會讓一些不肖業者……我相信這是極少數的不肖業者，但是如果有這樣的狀況，如果沒有積極嚇阻的話，有可能會擴散開來。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-04-09T09:33:55.814000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:33:59.975000+08:00","text":"是，我們有配合聯合稽查小組，我們自己本身也有立案調查，目前已經調查了17家廠商。","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-09T09:34:00.075000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:34:00.255000+08:00","text":"現在幾家廠商？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-04-09T09:34:00.415000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:34:00.835000+08:00","text":"17家廠商我們已經查過了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-09T09:34:03.556000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:34:04.077000+08:00","text":"接下來呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-04-09T09:34:04.417000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:34:05.738000+08:00","text":"接下來我們還是……","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-09T09:34:05.838000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:34:14.686000+08:00","text":"因為這兩週時間會稍微……但這也是一個關鍵的時刻，雖然停火了2個禮拜的時間，但這個時間點也是我們要穩定住所有狀況的最好時間點。是。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-09T09:34:15.707000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:34:17.289000+08:00","text":"主委這邊在這2個禮拜還會持續加強……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-04-09T09:34:17.849000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:34:18.289000+08:00","text":"會，我們會持續調查。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-09T09:34:18.990000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:34:19.491000+08:00","text":"會加大動作？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-04-09T09:34:20.051000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:34:20.652000+08:00","text":"我們會繼續。好。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-09T09:34:21.452000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:34:25.576000+08:00","text":"接下來請法務部，我請教一下，最近有沒有一些相關的查察方案？","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"李專門委員貞慧","start":"2026-04-09T09:34:28.393000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:34:37.858000+08:00","text":"最近都是由法務部召集聯合稽查小組進行稽查，調查局也會出動他們的同仁去稽核廠商。","quality":0.838},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-09T09:34:39.259000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:34:41.180000+08:00","text":"目前查察的狀況怎麼樣？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"李專門委員貞慧","start":"2026-04-09T09:34:41.180000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:34:43.802000+08:00","text":"目前查起來應該還算正常。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-09T09:34:43.802000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T09:34:44.909000+08:00","text":"正常啦！是。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-09T09:34:44.909000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:34:59.377000+08:00","text":"我希望這一塊，包括各部會，經濟部、公平會、法務部，大家要聯合來合作，一方面不要有一些異常漲價的行為，一方面也要讓整個供貨穩定。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-09T09:34:59.718000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:35:00.938000+08:00","text":"我是不是再回到部長？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-09T09:35:01.819000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:35:07.962000+08:00","text":"部長，可不可以再跟大家確認接下來不會有所謂斷貨或缺貨這樣的狀況發生？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-09T09:35:09.980000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:35:20.642000+08:00","text":"就是剛剛跟委員報告的，我們從料源開始就增加了，明天台塑就可以開始出貨，而且這一批是平價的貨，儘快可以到生產端，然後生產端再鋪貨給通路。","quality":0.754},{"speak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,"guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:39:29.122000+08:00","text":"另外我們有TRQ的保護，TRQ的保護過程中還是有一些關稅的阻擋，所以我想我們有很好的作為，萬一有什麼樣需要協助的部分，我們有農安基金來協助。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-09T09:39:29.923000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:39:34.249000+08:00","text":"部長，未來可能會有越來越多這樣的說法，我希望農業部要立即澄清跟說明。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-09T09:39:34.249000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T09:39:35.249000+08:00","text":"有，我們第一時間就有澄清。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-09T09:39:34.670000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:39:39.938000+08:00","text":"讓大家知道我們在保護我們的農業、保護我們的農民上面的作為是很積極的。是。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-09T09:39:40.338000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:39:40.819000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝部長。謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T09:39:41.019000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:39:41.159000+08:00","text":"謝謝賴瑞隆委員。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T09:39:41.659000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T09:39:45.087571+08:00","text":"接下來有請邱議瑩委員質詢。","quality":0.25}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}