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員委員會選舉制度，推動得順利嗎？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-09T09:40:27.493000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:40:28.393000+08:00","text":"目前有沒有遇到阻力？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-09T09:40:28.953000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:40:31.093000+08:00","text":"各個協會是不是都支持這項改革呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T09:40:32.034000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:40:46.356000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，運動員委員會因為今年有大多數的協會改選，那改選過後，運動員委員會會在一個月內完成改選，所以要等大多數的協會改選後，才會進行運動員委員會的選舉。","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-09T09:40:49.337000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:40:52.800000+08:00","text":"好，如果有差不多的相關績效的狀況，也麻煩給我們辦公室一個報告。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T09:40:52.980000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:40:53.340000+08:00","text":"當然，沒問題，謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-09T09:40:53.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:41:16.476000+08:00","text":"我們覺得運動員是競技運動發展的核心，部長推動亞奧運協會運動員委員會以選舉方式產生，我覺得這是一個可以讓運動員選出自己喜歡認同的運動員代表，也比較能夠為他們相關權益發言。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-09T09:41:17.276000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:41:33.021000+08:00","text":"另外，協會也可以透過選舉產生的運動員委員會來聽到現役運動員的心聲跟想法，所以這一個改革本席是肯定，希望部長繼續努力，讓協會跟現役運動員間有更好的良性互動跟信任。","quality":0.987},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-09T09:41:33.681000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:41:45.228000+08:00","text":"另外，我想請教一下有關於人力不足的問題，今天部長報告如何落實全民體育，但是我們運動部以及全民運動署目前的人力是不是足夠呢？","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T09:41:46.649000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:42:01.239000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們目前運動部到年底的進用率為76.5%，全民運動署年底的進用率為64.3%，整體的進用率為73.3%。","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-09T09:42:01.379000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:42:07.171000+08:00","text":"目前運動部的缺額大概多少？74。74人？對，74人。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-09T09:42:09.377000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:42:10.159000+08:00","text":"全民運動署呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-09T09:42:10.961000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:42:13.014000+08:00","text":"大概缺額多少？40人。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-09T09:42:13.855000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:42:17.638000+08:00","text":"40人，其實比例也算滿高的啦，對不對？","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-09T09:42:17.738000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:42:34.809000+08:00","text":"我想請教，運動部今年1月有說，幾乎每一天都有職缺在公告上網，但各單位都有缺人的情況，希望加速來遴補，現在三個月過去了，我剛才看稍微有改善，對不對？","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-09T09:42:34.809000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:42:39.212000+08:00","text":"比當時稍微有改善，部長覺得多久才能夠把人力補齊呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-09T09:42:40.793000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:42:43.075000+08:00","text":"大概需要多少時間？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T09:42:43.075000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:42:53.583000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，首先很感謝您對於我們運動部還有全民運動署的人力的重視，當然我覺得如果就我評估的話，可能還需要三、四年。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-09T09:42:54.524000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:42:55.785000+08:00","text":"三、四年，是不是？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T09:42:55.965000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:43:00.488000+08:00","text":"應該是，如果人力沒有……因為還有高普考分發。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-09T09:43:00.488000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:43:57.751000+08:00","text":"當然，我覺得部長其實點到一個問題，因為運動部剛成立，事實上，確實有很多的地方是有一些結構性因素要調整改變，成立運動部是總統賴清德的重要政見，當時把全民運動司擴大編制員額變成全民運動署，外界其實當時就有擔心是不是可以找到足夠的專業人才，我還記得那時候人事行政總處的官員就曾經說過，目前文官體系並沒有那麼多相關專業的人，所以以所謂現在專業人才的pool來看的話，其實是找不到這麼多人，就是現階段找不到這麼多人，但是既然已經升格為新部，人力缺口這麼大，剛剛部長說要三到四年才能夠把這些專業人力補齊的話，我希望腳步還是要加快一點啦，包括培育人才、去增補人才，這個部分你有人力才能夠好好做運動部該做的業務嘛！","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-09T09:43:57.891000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:43:57.911000+08:00","text":"對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T09:44:00.172000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:44:09.486000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，是的，我們也希望在現行的狀況下，確實運動部跟全民運動署的人力相對來說，業務確實比較繁忙一點。是。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-09T09:44:10.487000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:44:14.132000+08:00","text":"我接下來想請教一下有關於教練待遇的問題。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-09T09:44:14.793000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:44:34.414000+08:00","text":"在去年教文委員討論到教練待遇問題的時候，你那時候有承諾要統整C級、B級、A級的教練，還有初級、中級、高級、國家級的專任運動教練證，來了解他們現行的待遇，請問這個評估做出來了沒有？","quality":0.987},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-09T09:44:35.095000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:44:35.496000+08:00","text":"結論是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-09T09:44:35.496000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:44:36.156000+08:00","text":"有沒有改善的時程？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T09:44:37.217000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09:50:31.762000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:50:33.744000+08:00","text":"請問部長，那怎麼辦？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-09T09:50:33.744000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:50:41.829000+08:00","text":"你根本不知道，他如果經過這一段我們講洗白的過程，再進到校園裡面去，請問這樣的一個漏洞如何防堵？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-09T09:50:42.350000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:50:47.674000+08:00","text":"你們現在也承認你的專區對於這樣的情況是無法判讀的、無法揭露的嘛！","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T09:50:50.078000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:51:06.372000+08:00","text":"跟委員您報告，在現行的法制狀況下以及專區的部分，如果他確實又獲得良民證，然後又獲得了教練證這件事情，我們確實沒有……很謝謝委員對於學校體育的重視，這部分我們會回去好好檢討，看看該怎麼保護好兒少這一塊的運動。","quality":0.936},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-09T09:51:10.535000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:51:27.911000+08:00","text":"我還是要跟部長說，發生這個事情我們都非常憤怒跟遺憾，但是發生這個事情也就要把這個事情完全解剖開來看，檢視每一個層級的漏洞到底在哪裡、到底要怎麼去防止漏洞，有些是政策上的，有些是人為管理上的疏失，有些是法令規章上的問題。","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-09T09:51:28.792000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:51:48.950000+08:00","text":"像剛剛我們前面問的這個問題，部長也明確告訴我，你們有一個資訊專區來因應這樣的狀況，但是我再問你詳細情形的時候，你會發現資訊專區是無法揭露我剛剛講的那個情形，那又變成回到最初始資訊專區沒辦法解決所謂防範教練的狼爪進到校園這個問題或者是防範力下降的問題。","quality":0.454},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-09T09:51:50.011000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:52:09.089000+08:00","text":"針對這個部分，請教育部和法務部及相關法制單位真的要做全盤的剖析跟研究，因為孩子是需要保護的，拜託部長把保護孩子這件事情放在心上，謝謝部長。","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T09:52:09.589000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T09:52:10.731857+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T09:52:11.031857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T09:52:52.460429+08:00","text":"謝謝羅委員的詢答，也非常感謝羅委員點出現在資訊專區的漏洞，我想部長也承認在這樣的狀況之下，有可能不適任教練會透過洗白的過程最後再進入校園，這也是為什麼我們希望後續推動兒童工作證相關政策時，能夠防範這些過程當中有不適任的教練再次進入到校園，也希望運動部能夠好好的謹慎思考，進行跨部會協商，趕緊把資訊的漏洞補上。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T09:52:52.760429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T09:52:53.903286+08:00","text":"以上，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T09:52:54.203286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T09:52:56.774714+08:00","text":"下一位請柯志恩委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}