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因為一樓都不要給你嘛一樓因為他要停車嘛 對不對對 同意嘛 你這個部長然後死都不肯 而且我們即便在校園旁邊 他們也是不肯啊有的找里長 里長 你看像選舉 他左右為難"},{"start":360.589,"end":379.06,"text":"但是呢這幾年台北市因為很多的一些示範區的標線型人行道把它做出來之後那對於議員在做會刊的時候也比較好去爭取我們在初期標線型人行道尤其一樓的店面真的我們遭到非常非常大的阻力"},{"start":379.6,"end":406.157,"text":"所以我覺得你們在做一些目標的時候除了當然你最好能夠做人行道甚至我們還有什麼腳踏車怎麼樣的在人行道裡面還有這個自行車道這個把它做得比較完整但是有很多的我知道像台北市有一些路都可以做可是我到新北我自己來看我都不曉得要怎麼做連人行道做出來都非常困難"},{"start":406.957,"end":433.804,"text":"所以我覺得標線型人行道標線型人行道也可以把它作為一個指標標線型人行道仍然非常有可能被佔用也有可能被圍停 非常可能但是呢 它做下去之後其實對於行人的保障還是有一定的效果尤其對於年長者尤其台北市 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加速那你單單只是靠公共參與平台的話那其實它的效率不一定會做顯著的提升這是我的一個提醒"},{"start":590.167,"end":590.368,"text":"好不好好謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-09T09:44:17.252000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:44:24.876000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，請內政部劉世芳部長，以及交通部的政次陳次長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T09:44:24.876000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:44:25.416000+08:00","text":"麻煩部長跟次長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-09T09:44:34.016000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:44:35.097000+08:00","text":"部長跟次長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-09T09:44:35.097000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:44:55.581000+08:00","text":"我首先感謝主席安排今天的專題報告，因為這個在我們地方上，大家都非常的關心，剛才前面幾位委員也特別問到，包含他們所在的選區，還有整體有關於道路交通安全的部分。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-09T09:44:56.322000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:45:51.256000+08:00","text":"我在這邊也要特別關心校園周邊肇事熱點要怎麼樣去降低道安事故，因為雖然我們從112年實施這個計畫，但是可以看到，到114年，全國兒童也就是0到12歲，他是屬於行人的部分，還好沒有死亡人數，受傷的人數仍然超過一千多人，大概一千一百多人，所以這個數字還是讓我們怵目驚心的，即便我們這幾年中央還有各地方政府，在整個人本交通計畫大家也花了很多的心思，可是可以看到校園周邊的肇事，而造成兒童受傷的人數非常非常的高。","quality":0.961},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-09T09:45:52.116000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:46:35.721000+08:00","text":"因為我自己當議員很多年，我們大概每一年都會有很多的一些會勘，當然以臺北市來說，包含一些沒有行人道的劃設標線的行人道，當然這過程裡面還有比如說有一些樹木移不開的，也造成兒童在通行的部分會受阻，甚至比如說台電一些電箱的部分，其實在這個過程裡面，我們其實碰到非常非常多的問題，它不單純只是我們有沒有人行道、有沒有施工，因為有些人行道中間就是有一棵大樹，而且還移不開，我們要花很多很多時間要把它移開，或者我剛剛講的變電箱。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-09T09:46:36.742000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:47:14.430000+08:00","text":"我們現在提到校園周邊改善計畫，剛才有特別提到，前面幾位都是新北市區域的委員，關心新北市，如果看核定件數的比例，我們確實也看到越往南它的核定比例越高，比如說我們臺北市的核定率是1%、新北市的核定率是4%、桃園核定率是4%，但是越往南走，比如臺南核定率是8%、高雄的核定率是21%，這個是校園周邊改善計畫的部分。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-09T09:47:16.131000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:47:42.424000+08:00","text":"當然剛才劉世芳部長一直強調，今天是來自於地方政府，就是只要有申請，大概就會有七、八成之多，但我認為所有的不管是哪一都，即便不在我的選區內，我覺得如果各縣市政府有需要，其實真的就應該儘量給它核定。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-09T09:47:43.265000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:47:52.527000+08:00","text":"剛才也聽到部長的報告，現在也能夠希望儘量加快流程，這個部分我是肯定的。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-09T09:47:55.188000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:48:49.437000+08:00","text":"另外，我要特別說的，即使是如此，我們在人行道的部分，全國人行道的普及率到現在仍然不到五成，而且這幾年可以看到，可能前幾年我們的工程做下去，你很容易看到數字的提升，如果我們看7年來的人行道，到2025年，7年來的人行道普及率，這2年出現了一個停滯的狀態，所以我想請問一下，也許要問交通部，因為我們希望一年要增加1個百分點，可是現在顯然看起來是一個停滯的狀態，我們要如何去做改善？","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-04-09T09:48:50.683000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:49:10.178000+08:00","text":"我想跟委員報告一下，人行道要增設或要改善，其實如果在一開始都市設計或規劃的時候沒有，要來增設是有困難的，就是因為這樣的困難，所以在這樣的一個人行改善計畫裡面，人行道的改善也被我們列為一個重點，大概……","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-09T09:49:10.178000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:49:14.481000+08:00","text":"所以次長，你們認為現在人行道的普及率進入瓶頸區了嗎？","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-04-09T09:49:16.891000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:49:18.351000+08:00","text":"不是進入瓶頸區啦！","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-04-09T09:49:18.351000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:49:28.717000+08:00","text":"就是說大家要持續的去改善，所以我們每一年大概都會會同內政部來訂定相關的KPI，然後持續地來推動。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-09T09:49:28.877000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:49:58.182000+08:00","text":"我講一下，以我們臺北市來說，因為牽涉到都市計畫，它之前沒有規劃，有很多還是私地，我們這幾年臺北市做得很多，我覺得做得也比較好的地方，就是我們儘量用標線型的人行道，老實講，標線型人行道的重點及困難是在於溝通，我自己選區的標線型人行道有的時候一樓都不給你，因為一樓要停車，對不對？","quality":0.752},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-09T09:49:58.182000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:50:01.624000+08:00","text":"次長也同意嘛，然後死都不肯！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-09T09:50:02.545000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:50:07.267000+08:00","text":"而且即便是在校園旁邊，他們也是不肯，有的還會找里長，你看像要選舉了，里長就左右為難。","quality":0.784},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-09T09:50:10.589000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:50:22.196000+08:00","text":"但是這幾年，臺北市因為把很多示範區的標線型人行道做出來之後，議員在做會勘的時候也比較好去爭取。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-09T09:50:23.076000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:50:45.750000+08:00","text":"初期在做標線型人行道時，尤其是一樓的店面，我們真的遭到非常非常大的阻力，所以我覺得你們在做一些目標的時候，當然你最好是能做人行道，甚至我們還有腳踏車，要怎麼在人行道裡面還有自行車道，要把它做得比較完整。","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-09T09:50:47.891000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:50:56.157000+08:00","text":"我知道像臺北市有一些路都可以做，可是我到新北，我自己去看我都不知道要怎麼做，連要把人行道做出來都非常困難。","quality":0.898},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-09T09:50:57.137000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:51:19.503000+08:00","text":"我覺得標線型人行道也可以作為一個指標，雖然標線型人行道仍然非常有可能被占用，也非常可能被違停，但是做下去之後，對於行人的保障其實還是有一定的效果，尤其是對於年長者。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-09T09:51:20.863000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:51:23.804000+08:00","text":"因為臺北市是一個老化的城市，很多長者都根本要坐輪椅。","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-09T09:51:25.945000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:51:40.861000+08:00","text":"我們以前還做過，就在人行道裡面推輪椅，然後就摔到整臉通通都花掉了，因為人行道品質不好，效果更差，因為你有做跟沒做，可能你做了還造成更多人受傷，這是一個建議。","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-09T09:51:40.861000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:51:47.747000+08:00","text":"另外一個就是剛才有特別提到的，要怎麼樣去簡化程序？","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-09T09:51:49.368000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:52:02.798000+08:00","text":"簡化程序就是要提高公共的參與率，可是在這邊要特別提到，從推出全民參與街道改善到目前為止只有一件完工。","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-09T09:52:05.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:52:07.702000+08:00","text":"後來我問這一件是在哪裡呀？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-09T09:52:08.743000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:52:09.183000+08:00","text":"彌足珍貴嘛！","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-09T09:52:10.264000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:52:10.684000+08:00","text":"結果部長知道在哪裡嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-09T09:52:10.684000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:52:11.064000+08:00","text":"你們知道在哪裡嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡組長亦強","start":"2026-04-09T09:52:15.383000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:52:18.231000+08:00","text":"跟委員回答，是在臺北市的安居街。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-09T09:52:18.873000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:52:20.096000+08:00","text":"對，臺北市大安區。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡組長亦強","start":"2026-04-09T09:52:20.096000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:52:27.084000+08:00","text":"因為這類的案件通常環境都比較複雜一點，與民眾溝通的時間要花比較多，所以通常會讓民團跟地方參與。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-09T09:52:29.224000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:52:34.946000+08:00","text":"沒有，我跟你講，我聽到是臺北市大安區，然後我就覺得是在意料之中。","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-09T09:52:36.866000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:52:57.512000+08:00","text":"確實大安區的居民對於他們很多的交通設施，像前一陣子，應該是去年吧，為了要拆一個陸橋，就發動了所有的公民參與，那個完全是跨黨派的，連我不在那個區裡面，都接收到陳情跟投訴，就是為了一個陸橋。","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-09T09:52:57.512000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:53:11.696000+08:00","text":"所以我的意思是，雖然我們希望能有街道醫生、用公民參與平台，可是以現在來看，顯然參與率是不足的，然後每個提案只有40個人投票。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-09T09:53:12.696000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:53:20.001000+08:00","text":"面對這樣的狀況，你即便做下去，搞不好有其他人發現了之後很不爽，說你為什麼要這樣做。","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-09T09:53:20.661000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:53:29.527000+08:00","text":"所以我覺得這個公民參與平台它可以推動，或者說你們既然要推動的話，就需要有更多人的參與。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-09T09:53:30.487000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:53:42.795000+08:00","text":"我覺得像臺北市大安區，因為他們過去公民參與的踴躍度是很高的，尤其那邊很多是文教區，都很樂於、踴躍參與。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-09T09:53:42.795000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:54:00.327000+08:00","text":"但是老實說，我覺得其他縣市未必如此，所以我認為如果要加速，若你單單只是靠公共參與平台的話，它的效率不一定會有顯著提升，這是我的一個提醒，好不好？","quality":0.908},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-09T09:54:00.348000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T09:54:00.368000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T09:54:00.868000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T09:54:04.010857+08:00","text":"下一位請王美惠委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}