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plan等等說實在我也希望說部長是不是可以花點時間盤點一下有一些是不是能夠整合 因為"},{"start":514.778,"end":530.804,"text":"我每天都不舒服 我都不知道這到底對什麼 要用對什麼所以我相信喔 部長你看看這個 你也不知道要用對什麼這麼多 我最好是單一入口然後多樣的功能讓農民可以方便使用不然你十幾個喔"},{"start":532.096,"end":548.302,"text":"今天我就算一個一個問部長你也不知道怎麼用所以我相信喔這個是需要一點時間去整合就好像如果假設我問你說今天部長是農民想要APP整理農地作業紀錄你是要用IPLAN還是要用農務一把抓"},{"start":549.464,"end":575.027,"text":"這兩個系統都可以是它後面是連接的是 所以你不要給它兩個入口嘛你最好就是 欸 單一入口因為它其實功能是重疊的那你如果入口分散反而會降低使用的意願而且你再一個一個加 很麻煩欸所以我 我是希望說這個方向是正確的你要讓它跟上科技的時代簡化很多公務的這個流程甚至讓我們農民喔 可以"},{"start":575.748,"end":593.374,"text":"越來越方便使用但是這一點我是不是給部長一個建議因為這實在是使用者的困擾而且你知道嗎運營的成本也一定是會增墊高你們運營成本包括你說農地限地行動調查作業APP一年編920萬農業數位整合服務APP一年又編1272萬說實在加加起來你說十幾個十幾個GAP"},{"start":604.697,"end":627.242,"text":"加起來不少錢所以我也希望說是不是可以開源節流然後整合比較少的路口我不敢說一個啦但是十幾個你總是可以當size到可能三個四個比較主要的這樣子我覺得是不是能夠方便我們農民跟漁民來使用我想我們可以來檢討但是因為"},{"start":629.022,"end":654.728,"text":"同一個領域性質類時我覺得可以把它整合在一起但是像餘的跟蓄的有沒有當然那要分開我會針對這些APP本身把它分類那同性質的部分盡量能夠有一個統一的一個窗口因為它現在已經有人在用的時候要去轉換可能需要一點時間所以我想我會啟動一個專案的方式來做這個方面的處理好 特別拜託部長 謝謝部長"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-09T10:13:55+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:13:59.659000+08:00","text":"謝謝召委，我想請陳部長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T10:13:59.659000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:14:04.318000+08:00","text":"請農業部陳部長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-09T10:14:04.318000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:14:08.659000+08:00","text":"因為昨天有關於塑膠袋的事情我已經有請教過龔部長，所以今天就藉這個機會來請教陳部長，有關於最近臺灣漁產價格一直不是很理想的事情，不曉得部長針對這部分有沒有掌握？","quality":0.987},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-09T10:14:31.288000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:14:54.088000+08:00","text":"漁業署針對主要的這些養殖魚種的價格趨勢都有定期做分析，最近有一些池邊價比較低的部分，特別在一般的吳郭魚是比較低的，是因為它去年本身的外銷先拉貨了，所以對於相對的基期會比較低。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-09T10:14:55.029000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:15:37.628000+08:00","text":"沒錯，我今天想跟部長討論的就是臺灣鯛的狀況，從剛才部長講的，你非常掌握狀況，從去年的藥檢烏龍到美國關稅變動，美國去年4月宣布對等關稅的時候，他就先大量囤貨了，囤貨之後，現在美方在消化庫存，然後一面又觀望減少下單，所以導致今年臺灣鯛的外銷價格直直落，到目前為止，今年1月出口量只有752噸，比去年同期整整降了三成。","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-09T10:15:38.508000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:15:41.730000+08:00","text":"部長，臺灣鯛養殖成本1斤多少錢，你知道嗎？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-09T10:15:41.730000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:15:43.271000+08:00","text":"我不了解。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-09T10:15:44.332000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:15:44.992000+08:00","text":"大概30元。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-09T10:15:46.313000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:15:46.653000+08:00","text":"1臺斤32塊。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-09T10:15:46.653000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:15:54.478000+08:00","text":"差不多30、32元，但現在外銷的賣價是多少，你知道嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-09T10:15:56.548000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:15:57.749000+08:00","text":"對不起，我們沒有掌握這個訊息。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-09T10:15:58.309000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:16:06.815000+08:00","text":"沒關係，我這邊有，一臺斤大概是21塊，那你算一算，他是不是賣1斤賠1斤？","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-09T10:16:06.835000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:16:15.681000+08:00","text":"等於賣1斤要賠將近10元，所以農民現在是養越多、賠越多。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-09T10:16:16.641000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:16:20.783000+08:00","text":"可不可以請部長想想辦法協助這些漁民呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-09T10:16:21.043000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:16:26.205000+08:00","text":"因為現在是外銷受阻造成後續的連續反應，等於外患引發了內憂，原本應該銷往美國的產量，卻因為出不去，全部灌回國內的內需市場，導致供需失衡，國內價格跟著一直下跌，這樣子我們怎麼辦呢？","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-09T10:16:41.230000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:16:55.138000+08:00","text":"我跟委員說明，其實我們也關注到這個議題，短時間之內這些貨拉不出去的時候，我們有啟動一些短期的凍儲機制，讓市場上不要有那麼多的吳郭魚。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-09T10:16:55.138000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:17:08.985000+08:00","text":"第二個部分，因為吳郭魚如果繼續養大一點就可以做切片，它有另外一個用途，所以我們用不同的方式來協助，讓它的量不要那麼多的時候，其價格才有機會平穩。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-09T10:17:10.206000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:17:39.562000+08:00","text":"是，其實我知道你們都很努力，我也再舉例，2024年9月吳郭魚（臺灣鯛）是每公斤72元，等於是每臺斤43.2元，下跌到今年3月，每公斤58.7元，每臺斤才35.2元，所以大概跌幅是兩成，這不是一個冷冰冰的數字，而是漁民的生計啊！","quality":0.928},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-09T10:17:41.725000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:17:51.253000+08:00","text":"現在你看，價格不好，賣了賠錢，但他不賣的話，養在池子裡面也不斷地增加成本，他是兩方面的壓力。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-09T10:17:51.754000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:18:04.303000+08:00","text":"我當然知道部長剛剛講的，就是有開始啟動凍存的部分，我走訪了一些漁民，他們有一些建議，我也想藉這個機會給農業部，請部長是不是能夠研究一下怎麼樣協助他們？","quality":0.986},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-09T10:18:12.409000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:18:25.735000+08:00","text":"他們的意思是，像很多其他的國家，舉例來說，泰國的泰國米就是整個政府組隊到處宣傳，看其他國家有沒有這個需求去開拓市場，因為一直把它凍存也不是辦法，如果到時候丟掉也很可惜。","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-09T10:18:25.895000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:18:44.425000+08:00","text":"所以假設可以組一個類似臺灣鯛國家隊或者鰻魚國家隊，由農業部帶領這些業者一起去開拓市場，是不是能夠去展售？","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-09T10:18:44.625000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:19:15.883000+08:00","text":"因為說實在，我們的鰻魚、臺灣鯛都是品質非常優良，而且都是高蛋白質來源，你不要想說歐美不喜歡，其實以鰻魚飯來說，在英國、在歐洲也是很受歡迎，像臺灣鯛是非常適合歐美人食用，因為他們不敢吃到有刺的魚，所以它的魚片是很適合歐美國家，如果我們把目標都只放日本的話，我覺得太可惜了。","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-09T10:19:16.383000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:19:27.549000+08:00","text":"我在這裡誠懇地建議部長，是不是能夠組一個帶著這些業者去推廣、去賣的隊伍？","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-09T10:19:28.449000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:20:00.174000+08:00","text":"讓他們能夠有這個能力，因為說實在，這個如果不是農業部、不是國家來做，他們單一個別的沒辦法，漁民也沒辦法，甚至他們的廠商也沒有辦法做到，只有國家帶隊一起去，甚至可能要編一些廣宣費用，讓人家知道吃魚就要吃臺灣來的，不管是吃臺灣的鯛魚或者是吃臺灣的鰻魚，都是最高品質的，是不是這一點可以拜託部長？","quality":0.992},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-09T10:20:00.995000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:20:35.963000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員這樣的一個建議，特別是漁民的這些建議，我支持也認同這樣的一個想法，我想後續我們不會只仰賴日本市場，只要有任何機會，特別是吳郭魚魚片的部分，像新加坡也是一個很強的市場，我們會透過相關的食品展，甚至於我們會啟動現有的通路，在我們已經建立的通路之下，將吳郭魚或其他產品進到原來的通路系統，更快就有機會去做，我會交代漁業署來做安排。","quality":0.908},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-09T10:20:36.683000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:20:37.584000+08:00","text":"這一點特別拜託部長，我想如果把這個市場一打開來，搞不好到時候我們不夠賣，對不對？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-09T10:20:37.584000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:20:38.044000+08:00","text":"我們的鯛魚、鰻魚真的都非常、非常棒！","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-09T10:20:38.084000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:21:11.773000+08:00","text":"另外，我接下來想要問一下部長，我發現農業部很用心在於數位化這一方面，就是app，今年1月農業部上架了一個新的app叫做農業數位整合服務，我對於農業部善用科技工具是很贊同，我想要請問一下部長，您知道農業部目前有幾個app嗎？","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-09T10:21:11.773000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:21:17.798000+08:00","text":"我並沒有記住app的數量。","quality":0.583},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-09T10:21:20.641000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:21:39.461000+08:00","text":"至於您剛才講的這個部分，其實最近上架的就是未來希望我們在天然災害的時候有很多資料庫可以去做比對，也能夠減輕未來農民樣樣都要跑到公所去拿到地籍資料的負擔，因為他也許前一年……","quality":0.877},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-09T10:21:40.181000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:21:40.762000+08:00","text":"簡化他的流程。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-09T10:21:41.122000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:21:53.011000+08:00","text":"對，他前一年也許有地籍資料了，所以我們希望把我們現在所有的資料庫串聯以後，能夠供第一線的鄉公所去簡化他的程序。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-09T10:21:53.771000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:22:02.997000+08:00","text":"部長，我覺得這個立意良好，因為我們在現場，現在在報蒜頭，說實在，很多人不會用app，要公所特別請人去協助用app。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-09T10:22:04.078000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:22:25.849000+08:00","text":"我現在不理解的是，我初步盤點，目前農業部有12個app，包括契作e把抓、豬場e把抓、農業缺工好幫手、農務e把抓、田邊好幫手、i-PLANT等等，說實在，我也希望部長是不是可以花點時間盤點一下，有一些是不是能夠整合？","quality":0.837},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-09T10:22:26.369000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:22:49.797000+08:00","text":"因為我讀到博士都不知道到底哪一個要用哪一個，所以我相信部長光是看這個也不知道要用哪一個，這麼多，最好是單一入口、多樣功能，讓農民可以方便使用，不然有十幾個，今天我就算一個一個問部長，你也不知道怎麼用。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-09T10:22:50.377000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:23:03.282000+08:00","text":"我相信這個是需要一點時間去整合，就好像如果我問你，今天部長是農民，想要用app整理農地作業紀錄，你是要用i-PLANT還是要用農務e把抓？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-09T10:23:04.464000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:23:05.685000+08:00","text":"這兩個系統都可以。是。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-09T10:23:06.086000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:23:07.127000+08:00","text":"它後面是連接的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-09T10:23:07.467000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:23:20.058000+08:00","text":"是，所以你不要給他2個入口，你最好就是單一入口，因為其實它的功能是重疊的，如果入口分散，反而會降低使用意願，而且又要一個一個教，很麻煩！","quality":0.898},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-09T10:23:20.058000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:23:39.751000+08:00","text":"所以我是希望，這個方向是正確的，你要讓它跟上科技時代，簡化很多公務流程，甚至讓農民可以越來越方便使用，但我是不是給部長一個建議，因為這個實在是使用者的困擾，而且你知道嗎？","quality":0.987},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-09T10:23:40.551000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:24:20.001000+08:00","text":"這個也一定會墊高你們的運營成本，包括農業現地行動調查作業app一年編920萬，農業數位整合服務app一年又編1,272萬，說實在，十幾個app加起來不少錢，所以我也希望是不是可以開源節流，整合成比較少的入口，我不敢說1個，但是十幾個總是可以downsize到可能3個、4個比較主要的，這樣我覺得是不是能夠方便農民和漁民來使用？","quality":0.845},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-09T10:24:20.401000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:24:30.103000+08:00","text":"我想我們可以來檢討，同一個領域、性質類似的我覺得可以整合在一起，但是像漁的和畜的不行……","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-09T10:24:30.804000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:24:32.704000+08:00","text":"當然那個要分開。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-09T10:24:32.704000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:24:48.708000+08:00","text":"所以我會針對這些app本身去分類，同性質的部分盡量能夠有一個統一的窗口，因為它現在已經有人在用，要去轉換可能需要一點時間，所以我會啟動一個專案的方式來做這個方面的處理。","quality":0.924},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-09T10:24:48.828000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:24:49.728000+08:00","text":"好，特別拜託部長，謝謝部長。謝謝。謝謝。","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T10:24:50.228000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:24:58.799429+08:00","text":"我問一下，在場所有農業部官員，手機目前有裝這幾個app的有多少個？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T10:24:59.099429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:25:00.528000+08:00","text":"部長，有沒有？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-09T10:25:00.828000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:25:11.685143+08:00","text":"我有裝最主要我想要看的，像i-PLANT的部分、一些網站的部分，最新的那個我們都有……3個？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-09T10:25:11.985143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:25:15.128000+08:00","text":"還有天然災害勘災的部分。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T10:25:15.428000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:25:17.142286+08:00","text":"就是有3到4個。對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T10:25:17.442286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:25:19.442286+08:00","text":"好，其他農業部的……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-09T10:25:19.742286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:25:24.028000+08:00","text":"因為有很多東西是農民端在使用的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T10:25:24.328000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:25:29.756571+08:00","text":"沒有，我是幫委員問，因為我每次最喜歡問這個。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T10:25:30.056571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:25:45.485143+08:00","text":"自己做的app但自己不裝、自己不用，也不上去App Store看download使用人次、complain程度，對不對？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-09T10:25:45.785143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:25:53.213714+08:00","text":"我要跟委員報告，因為app本身有的對象是農民在登錄用的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T10:25:53.513714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:26:06.942286+08:00","text":"沒關係、沒關係，所謂的農民登錄用，你自己做一個假user還是可以的，我的意思是你們還是自己要率先，好不好？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-09T10:26:07.242286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:26:09.528000+08:00","text":"可以，我們會照這個。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-09T10:26:09.828000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:26:11.256571+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T10:26:11.556571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:26:14.699429+08:00","text":"接下來請楊瓊瓔委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}