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帕總一句話而已喔帕總講說未來另有安排直接拒絕這代表什麼選手已經失去參賽的一個資格但是後來他還是自費去了齁但是我要問的是為什麼取消行程的決策跟標準有沒有達到那個標準的機制為什麼泳隊被取消但人家羽球隊沒有影響欸人家去了欸那是不是連自費都要看帕總的臉色"},{"start":524.375,"end":536.621,"text":"跟委員您報告那這一團確實在暫別可能那中間確實我們有希望說是不是更改航程的部分那確實他也說要更改航程他還可以自行自費更改航程啊選手"},{"start":537.642,"end":556.156,"text":"他有表達喔好所以這個就是中間的溝通上的問題嗎還是怕種的強勢因為這樣子的一個強勢的介入強勢的阻斷選手參賽的一個資格跟機會那連同訓練的節奏也被打斷了阿母還好"},{"start":556.656,"end":582.971,"text":"刚好这位零星的运动员他后来拿到很好的一个成绩所以这个要不要被检讨如果没有一定的标准片面的取消人家参赛的一个机会那我直接讲就是两个字叫黑箱真的就是黑箱所以这个要检讨再来我想我们每年都在补助所谓的这些总会包含帕总今年我们补助了两亿对不对去年大概是一亿多"},{"start":583.991,"end":608.24,"text":"去年是一多今年要補助兩億如果今天呈現出來的是選拔的標準的不夠透明或者是我剛剛說的行政的溝通失靈讓選手的權益是毫無保障請問部長這兩億的補助這個KPI的標準到底是什麼是不是跟帕總自己喜不喜歡這位選手的滿意度主觀意見有關係如果連基本的行政都做不好"},{"start":608.86,"end":628.263,"text":"那請問這個總會有沒有退場的機制還有有沒有懲處的機制身為主管機關的運動部問一下部長各位委員您報告當然在這個這個退場的機制不太確定但是起碼在這一個我們已經走退場的機制不太確定我們現在其實可以開始研擬確定的一個方式可以嗎好"},{"start":629.344,"end":654.042,"text":"如果他的正義這麼的大如果選手被影響公平參賽的機會都要被剝奪但他最後還是為台灣爭光了拿下了這麼好的一個成績那請問帕總的角色在幹嘛請問帕總的角色在幹嘛我再講一次喔具體提出三項的建議我也提供給部長來做一些參考我們來建立自費參賽的保障的機制不要被總會來惡意阻擋 可以嗎"},{"start":656.124,"end":677.63,"text":"可以好那第二個就是公開選拔跟報名的一個標準就像我剛剛講的如果我們有標準我們就不是黑箱我們避免黑箱所以我們要建立這個標準第三個對於帕總應該要啟動關於這一件這件事件的一個專案的集合必要的時候是不是我們的"},{"start":678.97,"end":702.355,"text":"運動部我們的主管機關可以來調整補助跟治理的結構我話講得還蠻客氣的直接講就是我們要對帕總我們來做一個深刻的一個檢討不要讓身上的選手他在國際上為台灣為我們國家在賣命但是他在卻被國內的總會的制度"},{"start":703.866,"end":722.184,"text":"裡面給消耗掉運動選手的生命其實有就像剛剛這個其他的委員有提到他是有生命週期的那我想林玉樹運動員他是一個非常優秀的這個身上的選手他也兩度拿下總統教育獎"},{"start":722.845,"end":731.45,"text":"而且為國爭光如果帕總因為個人總會的一個喜好對於這位選手的參賽的機會的一個剝奪我想這都是我們大家不願意樂見的從個案我們來檢討制度可以嗎可以好 今天還有時間的一個關係本來我還有適應體育的一個部分要問沒關係 我們還有機會好 再次謝謝部長我們一起努力好 謝謝主席"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-09T10:19:05.845000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:19:07.266000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，辛苦了，有請部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T10:19:07.266000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:19:07.326000+08:00","text":"有請部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T10:19:13.689000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:19:14.509000+08:00","text":"委員早安。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-09T10:19:14.669000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:19:15.069000+08:00","text":"部長早安。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-09T10:19:16.030000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:19:23.872000+08:00","text":"接下來這一題剛剛其實也有其他的委員提過，我想這不是單一的案件，而是制度性失守的問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-09T10:19:24.192000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:19:58.470000+08:00","text":"臺中這一起教練的性侵案，我們來回顧一下從個案到整個制度失靈的狀況，松姓教練從108年到113年長達6年的時間，受害的學生高達了82人，甚至他也涉及了40部的性影像，最小受害年紀大概是8歲，令人髮指，而且他是有猥褻的前科，這個新聞一出來，其實讓我們非常非常之憤怒。","quality":0.853},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-09T10:19:59.210000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:20:19.188000+08:00","text":"我想所有的人都在問，為什麼這樣子的人不是單一的個案，他居然可以留在校園球隊的體系當中這麼久，就算是地方政府沒有作為，地方教育局沒有作為，但我們的中央、我們的運動部不能沒有角色，這是我要提醒我們的部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-09T10:20:19.348000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:20:34.899000+08:00","text":"關於這個議題，我們現在看到球隊的教練有些是校園的外聘，有些是約用，有些是協會推薦，請問這些人有沒有比照教師不適任查核的機制？","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-09T10:20:35.339000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:20:39.001000+08:00","text":"有沒有強制性性平背景的查核？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-09T10:20:39.481000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:20:52.812000+08:00","text":"如果沒有，等於孩子在學校有兩種不同的標準，他穿上制服的時候教育局管，但是他換上運動服的時候，我們的運動部在哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-09T10:20:52.812000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:21:00.759000+08:00","text":"我凸顯了這樣子的問題，我想了解運動部有沒有掌握全國校園教練聘任的資格跟他的背景？","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-09T10:21:01.280000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:21:04.446000+08:00","text":"如果過去沒有，現在要不要開始介入？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-09T10:21:05.347000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:21:06.790000+08:00","text":"這是我點出的第一個問題。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-09T10:21:06.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:21:09.817000+08:00","text":"第二個問題是，有沒有全國封鎖的機制？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-09T10:21:10.718000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:21:30.564000+08:00","text":"這個案子讓人最害怕的是，他不是一次性的犯案，他是連續6年、上百次的犯案，而且高達82名的受害孩子，甚至這82名受害孩子還是檢調在調查當中的，還有沒有其他的黑數？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-09T10:21:30.564000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:21:31.224000+08:00","text":"我們真的不知道。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-09T10:21:31.725000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:21:47.198000+08:00","text":"我想問的是，如果今天一個教練已經有這樣的狀況，能不能夠有所謂即時通報的機制，來阻止這樣的狼師跨校園或是跨縣市再次的犯案？","quality":0.768},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-09T10:21:47.758000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:21:56.766000+08:00","text":"如果不行，他如果只是離開了學校，他還可以到其他地方繼續帶球隊，請問我們要怎麼防堵？","quality":0.649},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-09T10:21:57.527000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:22:12.326000+08:00","text":"這已經不是漏洞而已，這是嚴重的破口，我用「破口」來形容，就表達我們對這件事情的憤怒，還有運動部應該要怎麼樣重新來反省，甚至要怎麼樣介入的問題。","quality":0.937},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-09T10:22:12.626000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:22:36.681000+08:00","text":"第三個，根據檢方的資料，他犯案的地點包含校隊的教室、宿舍、宿舍外面、比賽的飯店，甚至在車上、在學童的住家，這些都是他犯案的場域，對於校隊外出比賽，不管是集訓也好、住宿也好，我們有沒有一個強制性且安全的規範？","quality":0.989},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-09T10:22:36.681000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:22:41.803000+08:00","text":"比如說，我可以禁止這個教練單獨跟未成年的球員相處，有沒有這樣的機制？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-09T10:22:42.303000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:22:49.008000+08:00","text":"或者是我可不可以要求至少要兩個人以上陪同，還有住宿的分房以及監督的機制在哪裡？","quality":0.865},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-09T10:22:49.008000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:22:55.194000+08:00","text":"如果沒有，我們等於又是把孩子交給一個完全沒有防護的環境，這情何以堪。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-09T10:22:56.075000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:23:10.563000+08:00","text":"第四點，我要講的是，請問部長，學生穿上制服跟換上運動服這中間的灰色地帶，我們要怎麼樣來整合？","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-09T10:23:11.223000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:23:26.013000+08:00","text":"如果連教練基本的背景審查、風險的管理、通報的機制，我們完全都沒有，那我想這個案件不是偶發，這是我們對於所有運動體系長期以來忽略風險的一個結果，請教部長，我們該怎麼辦？","quality":0.987},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T10:23:28.802000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:23:49.388000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，首先很感謝您對於學校體育教練問題的重視，在不適任教練的部分，其實從運動部成立以來，對於不適任教練的機制就已經在進行，剛剛委員也有提到，或許我們還有很多需要精進的部分，這部分我們也會回去好好的精進。","quality":0.896},{"speaker":"郭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是，取消行程的決策跟標準是什麼？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-09T10:27:31.033000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:27:32.813000+08:00","text":"有沒有達到那個標準的機制？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-09T10:27:33.454000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:27:37.894000+08:00","text":"為什麼泳隊被取消，但羽球隊卻沒有被影響？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-09T10:27:37.894000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:27:38.454000+08:00","text":"人家去了耶！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-09T10:27:39.555000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:27:41.915000+08:00","text":"是不是連自費都要看帕總的臉色？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T10:27:42.375000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:27:48.038000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，這一團確實在障別可能……中間確實我們有希望是不是可以更改航程……","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-09T10:27:49.999000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:27:53.720000+08:00","text":"選手也說如果要更改航程，他可以自費更改航程啊！","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-09T10:27:55.642000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:27:56.222000+08:00","text":"他有表達喔！","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-09T10:27:57.383000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:28:00.345000+08:00","text":"所以這個是中間溝通上的問題嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-09T10:28:00.345000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:28:02.607000+08:00","text":"還是帕總的強勢？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-09T10:28:02.607000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:28:21.280000+08:00","text":"因為這樣子的強勢介入，強勢的阻斷選手參賽的資格跟機會，連同訓練的節奏也被打斷了，幸好這位林姓運動員後來有拿到很好的成績，所以這個要不要被檢討？","quality":0.773},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-09T10:28:21.780000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:28:30.445000+08:00","text":"如果沒有一定的標準，就片面的取消人家參賽的機會，那我直接講，就是兩個字，叫「黑箱」，真的就是黑箱！","quality":0.732},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-09T10:28:31.365000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:28:31.725000+08:00","text":"所以這個要檢討。","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-09T10:28:32.446000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:28:39.430000+08:00","text":"再來，你們每年都在補助總會，包含帕總，今年你們補助了2億，對不對？","quality":0.519},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-09T10:28:40.030000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:28:44.332000+08:00","text":"去年大概是一億多，今年要補助2億。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-09T10:28:44.332000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:28:58.457000+08:00","text":"如果今天呈現出來的是，選拔標準不夠透明，或者是我剛剛說的行政溝通失靈，讓選手的權益毫無保障，請問部長，這2億補助KPI的標準到底是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-09T10:28:58.457000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:29:04.579000+08:00","text":"是不是跟帕總自己喜不喜歡這位選手的滿意度、主觀意見有關係？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-09T10:29:04.579000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:29:11.125000+08:00","text":"如果連基本的行政都做不好，請問這個總會有沒有退場的機制，還有有沒有懲處的機制？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-09T10:29:11.606000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:29:15.030000+08:00","text":"請問身為主管機關的運動部，請部長說明。","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T10:29:15.310000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:29:20.857000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，退場的機制不太確定，但是起碼在……","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-09T10:29:22.378000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:29:26.243000+08:00","text":"退場的機制不太確定，那我們現在其實可以開始研擬確定的方式，可以嗎？好。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-09T10:29:27.344000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:29:42.275000+08:00","text":"如果他的爭議這麼大，如果選手被影響，連公平參賽的機會都要被剝奪，但他最後還是為臺灣爭光，拿下這麼好的成績，請問帕總的角色在幹嘛？","quality":0.948},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-09T10:29:42.816000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:29:54.444000+08:00","text":"我再講一次，具體提出三項的建議，我也提供給部長來做參考，我們來建立自費參賽的保障機制，不要被總會來惡意阻擋，可以嗎？可以。好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-09T10:29:55.044000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:30:05.487000+08:00","text":"第二個，建立公開選拔跟報名的標準，就像我剛剛講的，如果我們有標準，我們就不是黑箱，我們避免黑箱，所以我們要建立這個標準。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-09T10:30:05.947000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:30:23.231000+08:00","text":"第三個，對於帕總，應該要啟動關於這個事件的專案稽核，必要的時候，我們的主管機關運動部可以來調整、補助跟治理的結構。有……","quality":0.865},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-09T10:30:23.231000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:31:05.988000+08:00","text":"我話講得還滿客氣的，直接講就是，我們要對帕總做一個深刻的檢討，不要身障的選手在國際上為臺灣、為我們國家在賣命，但是卻被國內總會的制度給消耗掉，就像剛剛其他委員提到的，運動選手是有生命週期的，我想林育夙運動員是一個非常優秀的身障選手，兩度拿下總統教育獎而且為國爭光，如果帕總因為總會的喜好，就剝奪這位選手的參賽機會，都是大家不樂見的。","quality":0.876},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-09T10:31:06.008000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:31:06.268000+08:00","text":"我們從個案來檢討制度，可以嗎？可以。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-09T10:31:06.428000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:31:08.749000+08:00","text":"今天因為時間的關係，本來我還有適應體育的問題要問，沒關係，我們還有機會。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-09T10:31:08.769000+08: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