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這麼單純，可是實際上路之後，就造成路上很多的狀況，所以你們應該把你們這邊的經驗彙整後跟衛福部討論才對……","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-04-09T10:31:14.548000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:31:15.548000+08:00","text":"是，我們會來跟他們討論。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-04-09T10:31:14.548000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:31:21.874000+08:00","text":"第一個，責任險部分，是不是應該要有什麼樣的保險機制，讓他們在路上更有安全保障？","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-04-09T10:31:22.534000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:31:26.517000+08:00","text":"第二個，這些違規的輔具，在路上都已經變成是車輛了，這個問題一定要解決。是、是。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-04-09T10:31:26.937000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:31:27.198000+08:00","text":"這個拜託，謝謝次長。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-04-09T10:31:27.698000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:31:29.126571+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T10:31:29.426571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:31:33.140857+08:00","text":"現在處理臨時提案，共1案，請宣讀。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T10:31:33.440857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:31:50.012286+08:00","text":"依據官方資訊「道安總動員」相關資料顯示，嘉義市交通事故之發生件數及死傷人數，均高於其他縣市，顯示整體交通及行人安全仍有精進空間。","quality":0.017},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T10:31:50.312286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:32:12.026571+08:00","text":"鑑於道路與人行環境改善所需經費，由中央部會補助並由地方政府執行，建請中央主管機關應本於權責，積極協助地方政府盤點問題、提出具體且有效之改善方案，並強化部會協調機制。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T10:32:12.326571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:32:28.612286+08:00","text":"請交通部及內政部共同研議，建立並檢討相關機制，強化中央與地方之協作與資源整合，期以全面改善道路與人行環境，確保民眾通行安全。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T10:32:28.912286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:32:32.912286+08:00","text":"王美惠　　蘇巧慧　　黃　捷　　李柏毅　　吳琪銘","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T10:32:33.212286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:32:35.498000+08:00","text":"提案委員要說明嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-04-09T10:32:35.798000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:32:52.940857+08:00","text":"主席，這個剛才我質詢時也有提到，從相關資料顯示，這是嘉義市以每十萬人計算的案件，我們看承辦單位有什麼意見，不然就讓這個案子通過，以上。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T10:32:53.240857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:32:55.240857+08:00","text":"好，部會有建議嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T10:32:55.540857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:32:58.398000+08:00","text":"你們跟王委員確認一下。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T10:32:58.698000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:33:14.412286+08:00","text":"經過溝通，第一行「嘉義市交通事故之發生」修正為「嘉義市每十萬人交通事故之發生」，就是多了「每十萬人」，如果大家沒有意見，就修正通過。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T10:33:14.712286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:33:25.283714+08:00","text":"臨時提案處理完畢，因為李坤城委員已經到場，我們就調整為李坤城委員發言完後再休息。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T10:33:25.583714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:33:28.726571+08:00","text":"接下來請丁學忠委員發言。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T10:33:29.026571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:33:32.740857+08:00","text":"丁學忠、丁學忠，丁學忠委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T10:33:33.040857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:33:36.183714+08:00","text":"下一位請鄭正鈐委員發言。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T10:33:36.483714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:33:40.198000+08:00","text":"鄭正鈐、鄭正鈐，鄭正鈐委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T10:33:40.498000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:33:43.926571+08:00","text":"下一位請高金素梅委員發言。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T10:33:44.226571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:33:48.798000+08:00","text":"高金素梅、高金素梅，高金素梅委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T10:33:49.098000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:33:52.240857+08:00","text":"下一位請李坤城委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}