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謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T10:26:09.639000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:26:14.063000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，楊瓊瓔發言，邀請部長。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T10:26:14.223000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:26:14.744000+08:00","text":"哪個部長？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T10:26:14.744000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:26:14.744000+08:00","text":"經濟部長。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T10:26:14.744000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:26:16.224000+08:00","text":"請經濟部龔部長。","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T10:26:16.224000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:26:17.704000+08:00","text":"農業部長也一起來，我們一起討論，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-09T10:26:17.704000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:26:19.184000+08:00","text":"楊委員早安。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T10:26:19.184000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:26:20.664000+08:00","text":"請農業部。早。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T10:26:20.664000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:27:06.692000+08:00","text":"近期美伊衝突加劇，布蘭特原油價格一度也衝上了百元大關，我看了各部會的報告，大家都在談應變機制和穩定供需，所以本席要在這邊提醒部會首長以及相關單位，也就是對老百姓來講、對民眾來講，這些國際政治的名詞他們認為很遙遠，但是他們每天眼睛張開必須要面對因為石化原料大漲導致的通膨壓力，這是民眾每天必須要面對的生存挑戰。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T10:27:07.152000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:27:10.813000+08:00","text":"我看了報告，在農業部裡頭，提出了原料大概漲了五成，補助也加碼；經濟部也說，在塑化末端的產品（PVC等）你們可以媒合平臺來做調度。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T10:27:30.320000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:27:35.743000+08:00","text":"但是我要問的是，這些補助有沒有真正協助到農民？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T10:27:36.523000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:27:42.686000+08:00","text":"這些平臺有沒有真正協助到需要這些原物料的人？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T10:27:45.828000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:27:47.128000+08:00","text":"特別有沒有針對鋪臺灣馬路的，也就是瀝青（點仔膠）？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T10:27:52.431000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:27:56.493000+08:00","text":"還有我們用這些公帑去補助的時候要怎麼樣落實？","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T10:27:56.493000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:27:56.994000+08:00","text":"這非常重要！","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T10:27:57.914000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:28:06.079000+08:00","text":"我首先要跟部長來討論民生非常重要的交通與建設，我們不要讓路平變成是路窮。","quality":0.853},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T10:28:08.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:28:13.503000+08:00","text":"瀝青與PVC管材是石化工業的終端產品，現在價格一下子漲30%，甚至60%，一直在漲。","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T10:28:13.743000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:28:35.966000+08:00","text":"至於存量與價格的斷層，昨天部長說了，國內的瀝青存量大概有4.2萬噸，可以支撐到6月，但是您說的是量，本席看到的是價格的問題。","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T10:28:36.467000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:28:59.178000+08:00","text":"現在很多地方迫切需要的修繕農路、補強道路的小型標案，尤其開口合約，一開口的價格就是一年度的，這個價格是定點在那裡，在這樣的情況之下，包商簽的是固定單價，他現在買不到料，即使買了又要賠錢，這怎麼辦呢？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T10:28:59.998000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:29:22.699000+08:00","text":"全國有多少地方小型工程因為成本高漲而報停工，所以針對地方民生工程，本席認為部長必須要好好去做清查，怎麼樣讓這些可以真正落實到民生所需要的？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T10:29:23.059000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:29:23.139000+08:00","text":"請做說明。","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫：報告委員，分成兩個部分","start":"2026-04-09T10:29:26.663000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:29:31.850000+08:00","text":"一個是量，我們還是要儘量滿足他們，給他們充足；另外一個就是價的部分……","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T10:29:31.870000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:29:32.491000+08:00","text":"量就您說的4.2萬噸，你目前統計可以到6月底……","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-09T10:29:32.751000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:29:33.012000+08:00","text":"5月底，新的……","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T10:29:33.032000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:29:33.352000+08:00","text":"到5月底。","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-09T10:29:33.512000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:29:33.632000+08:00","text":"5月底，對。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T10:29:42.002000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:29:43.103000+08:00","text":"現在已經是4月了。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-09T10:29:44.103000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:29:44.804000+08:00","text":"對、對、對，新的部分……","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T10:29:44.984000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:29:45.344000+08:00","text":"更嚴峻喔！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-09T10:29:46.644000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:30:10.498000+08:00","text":"台塑6月開始進料，他們也會再調度進來，量的部分，我們希望達到這樣；價的部分，當然有漲沒有錯，本來是兩萬漲到兩萬五，所以大概漲了20%左右，現在原物料的部分的確是有這樣的一些反應，我們再看看這個部分我們將來怎麼樣來協助。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T10:30:14.549000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:30:43.971000+08:00","text":"這個不是看看怎麼樣協助，你現在已經看到問題，你必須要去應對，因為你說現在的量是到5月份，但是全國有很多工程，這些工程是民生最迫切需要的，路破會有很多的問題產生，所以我具體建議，關於你看到這些問題，政府有責任穩定這個機制，不管是在量或者是在價格方面。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-09T10:30:44.573000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:30:58.132000+08:00","text":"對，所以我們現在就是責成中油，如果需要的話去買現貨，台塑化他們進口的是柏油基原油，進來就可以產生瀝青，我們雙管齊下。","quality":0.673},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T10:31:00.153000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:31:08.758000+08:00","text":"所以這個部分本席也特別提醒，在量跟價的部分政府必須要協助好、管控好。","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T10:31:10.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:31:23.969000+08:00","text":"農業部長在這裡，接下來我跟農業部長來討論有關肥料的問題，現在尿素的漲幅高達54.3%，上一次本席跟你討論，我說一定要照顧我們的農民，對不對？","quality":0.836},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T10:31:25.270000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:31:33.857000+08:00","text":"你們也做了，所以你現在宣布，肥料的補貼最高調到每包上限435塊，是不是如此？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T10:31:33.857000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:31:34.857000+08:00","text":"請做說明。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-09T10:31:34.158000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:31:38.661000+08:00","text":"不是，我想一個非常大的原則是，我們肥料是凍漲的。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T10:31:41.683000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:31:41.983000+08:00","text":"當然啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T10:31:42.103000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:31:44.144000+08:00","text":"所以你要補貼下來。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-09T10:31:44.144000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:31:46.585000+08:00","text":"會根據當時國際原料的價格……","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T10:31:46.985000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:31:49.446000+08:00","text":"對，所以是你補貼，不是台肥自己吞嘛！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-09T10:31:50.387000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:31:55.209000+08:00","text":"對，是政府補貼，然後台肥也有做部分的協助。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T10:31:56.281000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:31:56.661000+08:00","text":"怎麼協助？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-09T10:31:57.962000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:32:00.883000+08:00","text":"它也吸收部分的價差。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T10:32:04.044000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:32:09.547000+08:00","text":"因為肥料有很多種，現在你公布最高的435元是天花板的數字，是不是？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-09T10:32:09.867000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:32:14.309000+08:00","text":"我想它會隨著國際原物料的調幅而做一些變動。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T10:32:15.229000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:32:16.190000+08:00","text":"做變動嘛！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-09T10:32:16.190000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:32:17.190000+08:00","text":"對，它會變動。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T10:32:16.190000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:32:29.900000+08:00","text":"本席要跟你討論的就是這一點，因為沒有人有辦法確定戰爭到底會怎麼樣，我們希望不要戰爭，但是不是我們可控的，在這樣的情況之下，因為我們看到最高調到每包435元，本席認為……","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-09T10:32:29.900000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:32:30.900000+08:00","text":"這是現在的部分。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T10:32:30.101000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:32:32.943000+08:00","text":"現在部長你說會隨時依據世界原物料樣態調整，也就是肥料還是一樣凍漲？","quality":0.839},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-09T10:32:44.191000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:32:46.213000+08:00","text":"對，對於農民來講就是肥料價格是不變的。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T10:32:47.995000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:33:08.959000+08:00","text":"本席還要提醒，肥料的價格我們現在是凍漲，但是不知道戰爭的情況怎麼樣，不知道它的樣態怎麼樣，我們隨時應對，但是我們還是要小心，你的補貼經費夠不夠？","quality":0.954},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T10:33:08.959000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:33:09.279000+08:00","text":"你的基金夠嗎？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-09T10:33:09.599000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:33:18.365000+08:00","text":"不夠的話，我想我們會跟行政院爭取，行政院也大力的支持，針對農民必須的這些生產資材會給予最大的協助。","quality":0.911},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T10:33:18.745000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:33:21.226000+08:00","text":"所以一個原則，這是我們討論這一題的重點，第一個，補助的額度是隨樣態而調整，不是以435塊為基底的價格；第二個，萬一基金不夠的時候，還是要以凍漲來照顧我們的農民為基準。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-09T10:33:35.369000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:33:37.910000+08:00","text":"對，凍漲是我們的目標。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T10:33:37.910000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:33:43.731000+08:00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26-04-09T10:37:15.617000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:37:53.464000+08:00","text":"我再請經濟部長跟農業部長，還有公平會，今天公平會也在這邊，本席在這邊針對我們今天的討論，我們認為，戰爭的代價由天天在基層奔走的農民、通勤族還有誠實的包商在承受，就是我們剛才講到的瀝青這些問題，所以我有三點要求，第一，請部長清查受阻的工程，因為這個跟民生很相關，請在兩週內提交受缺料影響的地方工程名單。","quality":0.847},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T10:37:53.665000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:38:05.953000+08:00","text":"第二個，公平會必須就瀝青跟石化業的管材市場反囤積跟反聯合漲價的部分去做調查，這個非常的重要。","quality":0.791},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-04-09T10:38:06.633000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:38:08.694000+08:00","text":"目前我們已經有立案調查。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T10:38:08.874000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:38:14.878000+08:00","text":"我們希望1個月內能夠拿出報告出來。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T10:38:15.258000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:38:20.781000+08:00","text":"最後一個，在農民的部分，我們要確保補貼要入戶，要確保肥料補助款全額反映在零售的價格上，不准有任何的盤商從中抽頭。","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T10:38:32.526000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:38:55.626000+08:00","text":"我想以上3點也請各相關單位於時間內提出說明跟報告，因為我們最重要的就是希望守護我們的民生，而且要穩定物價，因為我們知道，在戰爭當中我們不是只有看到報告當中的數字，而是真正要看到百姓臉上的笑容，才是政策真正的落實，謝謝。","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T10:38:56.126000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:38:58.126000+08:00","text":"謝謝楊瓊瓔委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T10:38:58.426000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:39:01.568857+08:00","text":"接下來請鄭天財委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}