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理人力其實十分吃緊，護病比現在全日是9.3，看起來數字是合理，但其實大家也都知道，這樣的數字當然有填報的因素等等，跟實際上可能會有落差，但這不是本席今天要關心的事情，我希望的還是改善他們的工作環境。","quality":0.945},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-04-09T10:38:03.579000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:38:17.856000+08:00","text":"本席想了解，現在臺北榮總桃園分院的約聘護理人員或者相關的護理人員能不能申請榮院的職工宿舍，你們知道這個事嗎？","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-04-09T10:38:17.856000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:38:20.218000+08:00","text":"榮院有一定的宿舍給工作的人使用。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳院長威明","start":"2026-04-09T10:38:21.221000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:38:36.981000+08:00","text":"報告委員，北榮總院的部分，不管公職跟契約都可以申請我們的宿舍；分院的部分，我不知道他們的量能現在怎麼樣，我回去會問一下我們的院長，這個事情如果有足夠的量能應該要開放，這是合理的。","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-04-09T10:38:37.281000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:39:05.041000+08:00","text":"好，這就是本席今天要提醒的，因為就本席私底下的明察暗訪，現在的狀況大概是，比如說護理長或者是醫師優先，當然我們理解這是工作繁重；但我要提醒的是，實務上護理長也好或者是醫生等等的經濟條件、工作的時間也都相對長，在附近可能都有比較好的環境，所以他不見得會去使用榮院宿舍，造成榮院宿舍有閒置的狀況。","quality":0.948},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-04-09T10:39:06.061000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:39:39.995000+08:00","text":"今天如果不是閒置那還沒話講，大家要排一下順序，但既然有閒置，就應該思考一下做充分的利用，所以我要幫這些基層、約聘等等的護理師請請命，有很多人初來乍到，不見得在附近有地方可以安身，有些人因為輪班，體力消耗非常、非常的大，如果就近在宿舍有休息的地方或是穩定的居住環境，我想除了薪資待遇之外，工作環境的改善應該有助於提升臺北榮總桃園分院的護理師留任、願意加入的誘因跟意願。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-04-09T10:39:41.155000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:39:57.164000+08:00","text":"所以本席花一點點時間在這邊做一下提醒，剛剛已經正式承諾，本席非常高興，退輔會非常有效率，你們趕快做盤點，如果有餘裕、有空間就來安排配套的措施，讓護理師也可以使用榮院的宿舍，可以嗎？主委。","quality":0.916},{"speaker":"嚴主任委員德發","start":"2026-04-09T10:39:57.284000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:39:58.564000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員指導，我們會去做檢討。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-04-09T10:39:58.764000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:40:03.147000+08:00","text":"OK，多少時間內可以給一個明確的答案？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-04-09T10:40:03.987000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:40:08.704000+08:00","text":"因為我們總要幫基層請請命吧！1個月。1個月？","quality":1},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-04-09T10:40:08.925000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:40:11.846000+08:00","text":"OK，好，希望儘快來達成，可以提前就提前。是。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-04-09T10:40:12.546000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:40:44.043000+08:00","text":"再來，這個剛剛其他委員也有質詢過，有關於退除役官兵就業媒合的部分，現在開了一個專案，也要成立一個平臺，你們在4月已經做完了專長的對照表，為了媒合要做專長的對照表，但你的平臺看起來是明年才會上線，剛剛其他委員有問，你講你現在在做跨部會整合，但我們真正關心的是現在這些人的七百多項職業對照已經做完之後，可能很多人已經在等媒合，這8個月，從現在到明年1月的空窗期，你的實際作為是什麼？","quality":0.936},{"speaker":"嚴主任委員德發","start":"2026-04-09T10:40:44.043000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:40:46.304000+08:00","text":"這不是空窗期，請處長跟委員報告一下。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"池處長玉蘭","start":"2026-04-09T10:40:46.464000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:41:24.310000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，其實現在在各榮服處第一線的就業媒合，我們都會把他在軍中的相關專長加以考慮，然後幫他推薦，那現在有更明確的一個初步的初稿方向出來以後，我們可以請我們榮服處的第一線人員做參考，但是因為他還沒有完成最後一個驗證的結論，所以我們本來就有做這樣的事情，現在還是需要等到4月底有一個更完整的結果出來以後，我們就會請各榮服處加以運用。以上。","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-04-09T10:41:24.871000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:41:31.295000+08:00","text":"所以4月底開始，但你現在還是可以進行，我的意思只是提醒說，你不要等到平臺成立好才開始做媒合，這樣中間就空掉了嘛！","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-04-09T10:41:31.295000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:41:33.376000+08:00","text":"你剛剛講4月底嘛？","quality":0},{"speaker":"池處長玉蘭","start":"2026-04-09T10:41:33.376000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:41:38.018000+08:00","text":"是，平臺是因為方便大家，透過電腦一鍵按下去就可以看到。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-04-09T10:41:38.178000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:41:38.798000+08:00","text":"對，但實際上在這一段時間還沒有建置好的時候，該媒合還是要媒合。","quality":0.464},{"speaker":"池處長玉蘭","start":"2026-04-09T10:41:38.918000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:41:41.339000+08:00","text":"我們可以把驗證完畢之後很嚴謹的結果，初稿可以先給我們榮服處去做參考運用。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-04-09T10:41:41.359000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:41:42.840000+08:00","text":"先做參考運用，就可以開始進行後面的媒合作業了，對不對？是。","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-04-09T10:41:42.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:41:43.160000+08:00","text":"所以4月底開始可以做這件事？","quality":1},{"speaker":"池處長玉蘭","start":"2026-04-09T10:41:43.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:41:43.320000+08:00","text":"4月底之後，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-04-09T10:41:43.320000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:41:56.786000+08:00","text":"OK，好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-04-09T10:41:56.786000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:42:05.210000+08:00","text":"我跟退輔會的第一次質詢還滿愉快，因為回答都非常的清楚，而且也有明確的時間表，我們就希望這個可以照章執行……","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"嚴主任委員德發","start":"2026-04-09T10:42:05.210000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:42:06.210000+08:00","text":"委員指導很多。","quality":0},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-04-09T10:42:05.831000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:42:08.652000+08:00","text":"來完善各項的政策，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-04-09T10:42:08.892000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:42:09.293000+08:00","text":"辛苦主委了，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"嚴主任委員德發","start":"2026-04-09T10:42:09.793000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:42:10.935857+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T10:42:11.235857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:42:13.235857+08:00","text":"謝謝牛煦庭委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T10:42:13.535857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:42:16.678714+08:00","text":"接下來我們請陳冠廷委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}