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謝謝委員那另外喔救生員人數是人類人類我們現在再把它提升起來其實需要一點時間那我們一直在討論到科技的"},{"start":673.447,"end":698.046,"text":"那本席去年質詢有提到AI防逆系統那有詢問是不是有機會可以裝設多一點的AI防逆就是說在這個過渡期啦我相信部長一定會做得很好把救生員人數拉起來可是這個過渡期啊當時我們資訊的時候啊黃次長有說可以朝這個方向來努力就多裝設多一點的AI防逆系統來保障民眾的安全那這個溺水啊台灣的這種運動意外啦"},{"start":700.228,"end":717.001,"text":"是排名非常前面的前三名那這個部長了解一下你也會嚇一跳那我們說說希望朝更多裝一些AI防禦的系統來努力當時次長說黃次長說可以朝這個方案來努力多一點沒有問題但是這一次的報告我們有看到"},{"start":718.302,"end":736.955,"text":"確實啦有幫AI防疫科技放進創新運用但是裡面提到的導入台中市、新北市、高雄市以及金門縣的場域這些其實都是過去看到的啦今年的規劃是什麼 有沒有編列預算可不可以多做一點 部長還有同仁可不可以來說明一下"},{"start":742.079,"end":765.598,"text":"那委員所提到的金門縣其實就是今年補助的個案那主要是因為去年底我們公告真案之後由地方政府所提出來申請那其中在科技防疫的部分是由金門縣政府提出那我們在去年底核定補助從今年會開始謝謝那我剛剛講為什麼時序我要講得很清楚就是說你們金門我們也很感謝"},{"start":766.198,"end":788.433,"text":"但是金門的這個預算跟規劃是更早之前就做好了我的質詢的時候其實金門的已經決定了那我質詢的時候黃次長有說還可以再多一點那今年我們現在是沒有看到所以今年AI的防疫可不可以再增加不然黃次長在國會殿堂跟我說會多一點結果並沒有安排這怎麼這個可不可以信守當時"},{"start":790.915,"end":814.149,"text":"這個運動部的承諾能不能再多一些AI防溺的相關的規劃讓國人在水上運動不管是開放水域啦現在開放水域也可以裝AI防溺喔游泳池也可以喔部長能不能在暑假前提供一份我國各地AI防溺系統的裝設情況以及未來規劃的報告如果今年的我們還能夠用什麼形式再去加強"},{"start":815.37,"end":838.749,"text":"能不能做到這第一個報告一份報告可不可以在暑假前我想也許委員暑假應該是七月七月那我就覺得要快一點啦兩個月內好不好AI防疫的部分兩個月內兩個月內好不好然後呢也希望部長也就了解一下還有沒有空間因為趕快做因為你說人員訓練在考試那很長相輔相成"},{"start":839.449,"end":862.423,"text":"可是如果AI再進來那我們就立刻說明今年我們就可以看到游泳人數大增為什麼水稻不是縮減而是增加游泳池哇更多的開放這個我覺得會是讓大家很感念部長的一個非常重大的作為好不好這涉及國人的安全那也讓國人多一點運動部長一定要重視此事我們一起努力好嗎沒有問題謝謝委員關心謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:31:30.069000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:31:30.389000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:31:30.530000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:31:30.850000+08:00","text":"有請李部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T10:31:30.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:31:30.950000+08:00","text":"有請部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T10:31:53.735000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:31:53.955000+08:00","text":"委員，早安。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:31:54.775000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:31:54.855000+08:00","text":"部長早。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:31:56.016000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:32:09.299000+08:00","text":"你沒有拿羽球拍的姿勢也是很帥，還是要謝謝您，過去這段時間你親自走訪非常多委員的辦公室，包含我的辦公室來討論體育政策，也非常感謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:32:09.419000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:32:15.801000+08:00","text":"我們還有羽球、匹克球、Podcast之約，希望未來有機會可以實現。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:32:17.341000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:32:23.604000+08:00","text":"運動部去年9月9號成立，您擔任部長一職，統帥全國運動相關事務。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:32:23.604000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:32:42.578000+08:00","text":"本席想要先請教運動政策白皮書的議題，這個進度在去年7、8月就已經完成了，也有跟22個地方縣市召開諮詢會議，運動部官網也寫了很多，包括全民健康、全民運動，我想這也是你最重要想要做的事情。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:32:43.379000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:32:48.966000+08:00","text":"去年說去年12月底要公布，請問部長這個白皮書現在公布在哪裡？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:32:48.966000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:32:50.007000+08:00","text":"本席現在找不到。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T10:32:52.816000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:32:55.217000+08:00","text":"感謝你對運動政策白皮書的重視。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T10:32:56.858000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:33:11.722000+08:00","text":"因為運動政策白皮書是之前就已經先規劃了，我上任後在統整整個部的未來十年計畫時有做一些修改，所以目前還在修改當中。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:33:14.284000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:33:26.949000+08:00","text":"這個修改的時機……我先尊重，因為以您的專業，進來後有一些調整，我們都理解，但是我覺得整個過程可能需要更透明、更即時。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:33:27.249000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:33:43.778000+08:00","text":"其實官網很明白的寫了114年8月27號說，114年也就是去年的12月底要公布，這個網頁都一直在那邊，大家一直期待、萬眾矚目，結果本席發文過去問，說白皮書找不到，網頁立刻就修改了。","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:33:44.178000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:33:45.579000+08:00","text":"部長，你知道嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:33:45.579000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:33:58.968000+08:00","text":"我們問完之後就修改，這個頁面還不是上新，也不是更新，也不是新聞，也不是跟各位說：抱歉，我們需要更多的時間，我是部長李洋，希望大家再給我們一點時間。沒有！","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:33:59.548000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:34:03.613000+08:00","text":"直接在同一個頁面改網頁，說116年才會完成。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:34:04.876000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:34:10.289000+08:00","text":"這種超越時空之術，假設真的是跳票，我覺得不太好吧？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:34:11.070000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:34:14.832000+08:00","text":"有沒有機會具體的來講，什麼時候可以完成？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:34:15.492000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:34:16.073000+08:00","text":"會不會再跳票？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:34:16.573000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:34:19.415000+08:00","text":"可不可以加速作為這個基本政策的藍圖？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:34:19.415000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:34:26.441000+08:00","text":"我理解你的用意是好的，趕快規劃，今年預算書送來以前，我們可以趕快來審。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T10:34:27.502000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:34:38.271000+08:00","text":"很感謝您對於運動政策白皮書的重視，謝謝您看到我們官網上的不足，這點確實是運動部需要檢討的，後續我們當然會儘速完成運動政策白皮書的規劃。時間？","quality":0.908},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T10:34:40.651000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:34:44.832000+08:00","text":"目前是規劃於116年完成，當然我們會盡速完成。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:34:46.973000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:34:49.233000+08:00","text":"部長，您笑得也是有點尬尬的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:34:49.713000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:35:01.456000+08:00","text":"您也知道本來是去年年底要完成的，如果拖到116（2027）年，一拖兩年，我不知道您的任期會不會……可不可以快一點？","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:35:02.276000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:35:05.837000+08:00","text":"這116年寫得不清不楚的，到底是年初、年中，還是年底？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T10:35:08.588000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:35:14.094000+08:00","text":"我們真的會盡速完成，因為運動政策白皮書是我們未來十年的大方向。","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:35:14.234000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:35:23.384000+08:00","text":"我提示一下部長，本來2025年年底就要完成了，理論上，我覺得我們應該要期待2027年年初，是吧？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:35:23.884000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:35:26.967000+08:00","text":"因為delay一年多，已經有點誇張了，我們能不能有機會瞄準2027年初？","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T10:35:31.956000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:35:37.461000+08:00","text":"我們會儘量在您說的2027年年初想辦法完成。","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:35:37.842000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:35:38.903000+08:00","text":"太好了！謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:35:39.323000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:35:45.609000+08:00","text":"部長這樣勇於任事，大家絕對都會非常、非常的感恩、感動，重視運動，我們一起來努力。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:35:46.470000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:36:03.234000+08:00","text":"您過去作為運動員，我們也想來關心一下其他的運動項目，其實有非常多的東西要改善，暑假即將到來，民眾參與水上活動的頻率開始增加，想跟部長聊一下有關救生員人數的問題。","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:36:04.416000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:36:04.857000+08:00","text":"部長有沒有看過這張圖？","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T10:36:08.018000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:36:08.658000+08:00","text":"確實是第一次。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:36:09.118000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:36:09.459000+08:00","text":"太好了！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:36:09.759000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:36:29.149000+08:00","text":"我覺得這樣的交流就非常有意義，這張圖是歷年救生員檢定的預算數和通過的人數，從圖中我們可以看到108、109年實施公辦檢定以後，通過的人數大幅滑落，而且可以看到預算線性增加，成效突然在107、108年就大幅下滑。","quality":0.965},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:36:30.429000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:36:37.773000+08:00","text":"這裡面有非常多是制度的改變，一開始的初衷是良善的，希望可以更嚴謹的來考核。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:36:39.014000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:36:56.584000+08:00","text":"雖然嚴謹的考核初衷立意良好，結論卻是沒有辦法提升，導致救生員就開始進入一直缺乏的狀態，有非常多的游泳池縮減水道；有很多的游泳池減少開放的天數；有很多的游泳池沒有辦法開放。","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:36:57.324000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:37:05.446000+08:00","text":"我覺得這些都可以討論，但最可怕的是救生員不足很可能會導致水上活動的安全受到影響。","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:37:06.106000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:37:23.333000+08:00","text":"我去年底有請教過黃次長跟全民署房署長，署長說有想辦法要解決，比如增加公辦檢定的場次，公檢委辦則提供器材租借。","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:37:23.973000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:37:29.978000+08:00","text":"我想請問一下部長或者是同仁，今年救生員的公辦檢定打算辦幾場？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:37:29.978000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:37:30.618000+08:00","text":"有沒有要增加？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:37:30.979000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:37:32.060000+08:00","text":"因為之前有答應要增加。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:37:33.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:37:36.103000+08:00","text":"對於公檢委辦的部分，有沒有多提供一些幫助？","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:37:36.983000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:37:40.806000+08:00","text":"預期今（2026）年的成效如何？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:37:41.267000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:37:42.628000+08:00","text":"能夠產生多少位救生員？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T10:37:46.474000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:37:53.146000+08:00","text":"5月起我們確實會辦理大概20場的利害關係人深度訪談，比較詳細的部分是不是可以請署長來回答？","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:37:53.166000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:37:53.246000+08:00","text":"是，請署長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"房署長瑞文","start":"2026-04-09T10:37:56.128000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:37:56.568000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員關心。","quality":1},{"speaker":"房署長瑞文","start":"2026-04-09T10:37:57.249000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:38:04.112000+08:00","text":"針對今年度救生員檢定的場次，我們預計辦理60場。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:38:04.252000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:38:04.572000+08:00","text":"一樣嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:38:05.573000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:38:06.313000+08:00","text":"跟去年一樣，沒有增加。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"房署長瑞文","start":"2026-04-09T10:38:06.313000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:38:08.674000+08:00","text":"一樣60場。","quality":0},{"speaker":"房署長瑞文","start":"2026-04-09T10:38:08.674000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:38:11.075000+08:00","text":"不過場次的部分，我們會因應不同的需求來調整。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:38:11.175000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:38:13.176000+08:00","text":"沒關係，部長已經聽到了，其實就是沒有增加。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:38:13.496000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:38:16.818000+08:00","text":"第二個問題，公檢委辦有沒有提供器材租借？","quality":1},{"speaker":"房署長瑞文","start":"2026-04-09T10:38:17.358000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:38:19.379000+08:00","text":"有，目前我們會朝這個方向來。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:38:20.059000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:38:20.819000+08:00","text":"什麼叫朝這個方向來？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:38:22.160000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:38:22.960000+08:00","text":"借出去了沒嘛？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:38:23.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:38:25.001000+08:00","text":"提供的資源給了沒嘛？","quality":1},{"speaker":"房署長瑞文","start":"2026-04-09T10:38:25.341000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:38:29.743000+08:00","text":"有，只要認可的民間機構要辦，我們都會提供。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:38:31.923000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:38:34.864000+08:00","text":"你們要有辦法，你們要主動積極！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:38:34.864000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:38:40.327000+08:00","text":"夏天就要到了，summer is coming，你們不能說：我們在這裡等著你來，不是吧？","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:38:40.647000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:38:40.927000+08:00","text":"你們不是這種態度吧？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"房署長瑞文","start":"2026-04-09T10:38:41.847000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:38:46.328000+08:00","text":"對，近幾個月也密集辦理了4場，我們按照相關的期程來……","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:38:47.009000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:38:49.669000+08:00","text":"公檢委辦今年有辦4場嗎？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"房署長瑞文","start":"2026-04-09T10:38:49.969000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:38:52.290000+08:00","text":"公檢委辦我們都有在辦理。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:38:53.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:38:54.991000+08:00","text":"不是，幾場？","quality":1},{"speaker":"房署長瑞文","start":"2026-04-09T10:38:55.391000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:38:58.072000+08:00","text":"公檢委辦的部分，我們今年就是預計60場。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:39:00.767000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:39:04.189000+08:00","text":"署長，部長在這裡，我們講話要清楚。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:39:06.071000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:39:10.634000+08:00","text":"公辦檢定60場，不是公檢委辦60場，是吧？是。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:39:13.437000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:39:15.178000+08:00","text":"你在國會殿堂講話要很具體，好不好？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:39:15.698000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:39:25.726000+08:00","text":"因為我們現在認為公辦檢定的數量一直沒有增加，公檢委辦的數量也沒增加，而且一旦調整以後，人數就會遽減。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:39:28.068000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:39:32.870000+08:00","text":"我現在就問，你這樣調一調，到底今年能產生多少個救生員？","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:39:32.870000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:39:33.591000+08:00","text":"本來是736嘛？對。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:39:35.912000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:39:36.612000+08:00","text":"今年預計多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"房署長瑞文","start":"2026-04-09T10:39:40.709000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:39:43.892000+08:00","text":"我再查詢一下，會後再回報。","quality":1},{"speaker":"房署長瑞文","start":"2026-04-09T10:39:43.892000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:39:46.073000+08:00","text":"因為還是要看每一個場次報名的人數……","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:39:46.794000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:39:55.341000+08:00","text":"現在4月了，理論上，今年的結果應該去年就已經預定了，你們才能夠規劃相關的預算、人力。","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"房署長瑞文","start":"2026-04-09T10:39:55.341000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:39:56.341000+08:00","text":"每一個場次報名還有實際參與檢定……","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:39:56.121000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:39:56.582000+08:00","text":"好，每個場次報名。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:40:00.953000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:40:03.535000+08:00","text":"你講得很好，為什麼你們估不出來，也不敢估？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:40:04.135000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:40:51.071000+08:00","text":"很簡單，去年公檢委辦只辦了3場，而且成效明顯不佳，原因很多，包括檢定場地跟訓練場地規範不同，檢定要求水深150公分，而多數訓練場地只有140公分，這個也請部長關心，就差這10公分，結果一堆場地就沒有辦法辦檢定了，導致場地難尋；第二個、容易虧損導致機構不願意辦理，依照現在新的檢定辦法，一場檢定要42個人報名才能夠不虧錢，因為有各種條件，要丟繩子什麼的，本席了解去年就有委辦是沒招滿42人的，所以機構辦不起來，弄了3場，展示了辦一場賠一場，誰要來跟你公檢委辦？","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:40:51.071000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:41:05.020000+08:00","text":"到最後全部都是公辦檢定，人數又不夠，你也不願意增加場次，部長拜託回去研議一下到底什麼狀況難以達成，研議的部分可不可以兩個月內給本席一個改善報告？","quality":0.896},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:41:05.680000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:41:13.364000+08:00","text":"為什麼抓兩個月，我知道很辛苦，因為夏天要到了，而且每年都有夏天，部長可不可以兩個月內研議一下？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T10:41:14.184000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:41:20.627000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，謝謝您重視救生員相對的機制，我們兩個月內給委員。謝謝。謝謝。","quality":0.839},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:41:20.627000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:41:36.598000+08:00","text":"有一些情況我也想讓部長了解，因為你看114年的救生員訓練，這是訓練的部分，不是檢定的部分，能夠如期辦理訓練者只有11個地方，開班率有很多0，代表什麼？","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:41:36.598000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:42:32.100000+08:00","text":"你們不只是公辦檢定的場次不足，訓練出來人數不夠，以前破千人，到現在只有不到700人，因為要訓練完才能來檢定考試，結果訓練的部分也一直在降，有這種0的，部長，能不能也在研議的時候側面了解一下什麼原因，到底是考照流程太複雜，還是因為訓練要錢、考試又要錢，需不需要一些幫忙，還是這個工作因為法規太嚴謹導致未來上班很容易被告，或薪資、責任不對等……等等，拜託部長，每一個運動我們一體重視，而且為什麼我很重視這個議題，因為阿宅的腰不太好，游泳是一個很好的、比較伸展的運動，我相信臺灣有很多人會因為這個運動受益，這是全民運動一個很重要的項目，所以未來朝這個方向努力，可以嗎？","quality":0.928},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T10:42:32.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:42:33.141000+08:00","text":"可以，謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-09T10:42:33.241000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"20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5:56.951571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:45:59.237286+08:00","text":"下一位陳秀寳委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}