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對軍公教有利的法案 他根本都不批這非常非常糟糕的"},{"start":170.472,"end":189.274,"text":"我希望原主委您身為退府會的大家長應該要站在保護或是愛護我們榮民朋友的立場上面要再積極的去反應啊否則我們現在大家做的這麼多的事情做白宮全部都是看卓榮泰的臉色"},{"start":192.281,"end":192.921,"text":"我們在積極的協調爭取"},{"start":215.272,"end":231.331,"text":"真的我真的認為說再不通過的話這個可能接下來也還不只是彈劾行政院長可能退府會都會有問題好那接下來我再問第二個問題這個也是我這個常常有聽到基層榮民朋友抱怨的一個議題"},{"start":232.412,"end":252.311,"text":"就是說現在退府會將榮民分成第一類跟第二類這個分類本身沒有問題但是呢在第一類裡面又再細分為他是有職的榮民或是無職的榮民而且兩者的待遇差距非常大就以榮民就醫為例我看今天榮民就醫處的處長有來是不是"},{"start":253.632,"end":269.234,"text":"針對無職榮民他就想有很多譬如說在退府會可以補助繳納健保費啦住院伙食費還有有補助然後病房費也可以差額免收部分醫療費用也有補助但是對於有職榮民的部分"},{"start":270.41,"end":286.689,"text":"除了是在榮民醫院可以享有免掛號免收掛號費之外其餘的全部都回歸到健保體系他們還是要叫健保費然後也沒有任何的榮民醫療的專屬補助所以在這裡想請教主委是您覺得這樣子的差別待遇公平嗎"},{"start":287.43,"end":304.359,"text":"同樣是對國家對我們的這個這個軍隊奉獻20年以上的榮民朋友卻因為退伍之後他有沒有工作就所享受到的福利待遇然後差別很大這個會不會有這種反而是"},{"start":306.207,"end":324.304,"text":"傳達一種所謂的反就業誘因最好就是這些早期退伍的朋友們退伍的榮民朋友們就不用再去工作了大家都在家裡面請問主委您贊同這樣子的一個現在的一個措施嗎老闆我請我們就業處處長葉管跟您說明"},{"start":327.649,"end":348.512,"text":"報告委員 我是就醫保健處處長劉俊正針對這個在就業的部分 有職人民的部分因為涉及到全民健保法的規定所以不管是榮民或者是配偶他如果是在就業或就職的話就必須以健保的第一類來投保我們的保費也是按照薪資的級距來計算這是按照全民健保法的作業來辦理的"},{"start":349.733,"end":374.785,"text":"那無職榮民的部分也是一樣 按照全民健保法它是 您有榮民證跟議事證或是榮民的遺卷的家戶代表證的話它是以健保的六類義務來投表好 謝謝處長 所以簡單來說 就是這是涉及到全民健保法裡面的相關規定那你們有沒有曾經有反應過 這個應該要去進行修法總站在保障榮民朋友的立場上面 退府會是不是應該要提出修法"},{"start":376.035,"end":382.983,"text":"或是你們至少要跟健保法的主管機關應該是衛福部吧去溝通啊"},{"start":384.216,"end":389.659,"text":"包委員我們再想辦法來跟衛福部來做一個溝通把這樣的需求來轉遞給衛福部是本席認為說這個其實未來也會是一個可以鼓勵可以招募更多的年輕人加入我們國防這個軍隊那麼同時呢也可以對於現在對國家有功的榮民朋友們可以有更多的保障然後還有一個同樣類似的問題就是說現在榮民在政府機關公共體系服務他領的薪水是天花板的薪水也就是"},{"start":413.031,"end":431.7,"text":"只有三萬八千一百三十元因為他可能繼續領他退伍金但是他在政府部門工作的話有第二個職業也就是他在就業卻只能領三萬八千一百三十元其實這也是顯不公平的事情這個部分是不是也可以一併檢討好嗎"},{"start":434.12,"end":449.594,"text":"可以嗎?因為這真的是讓大家覺得同工不同酬即便是一個將軍退伍然後到加機關去工作然後他也只能領三萬八千元這其實是很不合理的一件事情"},{"start":450.695,"end":464.987,"text":"跟委員報告,我是退職局副處處長,有關於轉任到公部門,這是依照服役條例,這是主管機關那我們會把這個建議跟國防部反映,以上報告對,這個部分我覺得也很重要,希望你們能夠積極去爭取"},{"start":466.328,"end":487.784,"text":"那最後我就是希望就是原主委是不是可以在一個月之內給本席一個全面盤點以及檢討現在有職榮民跟無職榮民的他的制度福利的差別然後以及相關的法規那麼同時對於剛剛我們講的有沒有可能未來再提高有關於榮民在公家機關服務薪資待遇這個部分請"},{"start":489.165,"end":509.376,"text":"退府會一個月內給本席份報告好嗎對你們如果說不方便推法案的話本席可以在這裡提案我的目的就是希望能夠保障維護我們所有軍人以及榮民朋友們的權益我回去再做檢討好一個月可以吧好OK那就謝謝好謝謝翁曉林委員接下來請賴氏"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-09T11:07:10.649000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:07:12.610000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，有請嚴主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T11:07:13.971000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:07:14.531000+08:00","text":"請嚴主委，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"嚴主任委員德發","start":"2026-04-09T11:07:20.013000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:07:20.233000+08:00","text":"翁委員好。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-09T11:07:21.094000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:07:21.394000+08:00","text":"主委好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-09T11:07:21.974000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:07:25.336000+08:00","text":"我想我今天來質詢，您應該可以猜得出我要問什麼問題了吧！","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-09T11:07:27.917000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:08:10.746000+08:00","text":"在去年6月27號國軍退除役官兵輔導條例就已經修正了，增訂第二十七條之二，要恢復辦理榮民子女教育補助費，而且是不分軍階的，這是立法院三讀通過，而且已經公布的法律案，這不是行政命令，也不是行政政策，就是要求主管機關退輔會要制定相關的辦法，可是到現在這個法律已經通過將近一年，兩個學期都過去了，現在榮民朋友們反映說還是沒有辦法依法申請，領不到補助。","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-09T11:08:11.306000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:08:31.365000+08:00","text":"我想請問主委，我也看到你們退輔會在去年8月的時候就已經報了榮民支領子女教育補助費的發給辦法，你們已經制定、預告了，也有這個草案，然後已經陳報給行政院了，到底為什麼現在還沒有辦法正式公告？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"嚴主任委員德發","start":"2026-04-09T11:08:32.728000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:08:39.292000+08:00","text":"委員，我們也很急，因為這個案子我們從107年就希望爭取恢復，每一年都希望爭取恢復。","quality":0.853},{"speaker":"嚴主任委員德發","start":"2026-04-09T11:08:40.733000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:08:53.161000+08:00","text":"在大院去年6月27號公布之後，我們按照條文的授權，會同教育部完成了發給辦法，按照所有的程序，包含公告，還有法規審議都完成了，就送到行政院。","quality":0.983},{"speaker":"嚴主任委員德發","start":"2026-04-09T11:08:53.661000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:09:04.304000+08:00","text":"送行政院後，行政院是通知我們，因為它考量到退休的軍人跟公教人員間教補費的衡平，要跨部會協調，現在在做審閱，所以我們也在積極……","quality":0.768},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-09T11:09:04.324000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:09:05.825000+08:00","text":"從去年8月20號到現在，已經審了多少個月了？","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-09T11:09:05.885000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:09:06.245000+08:00","text":"行政院院會有曾經討論過嗎？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"嚴主任委員德發","start":"2026-04-09T11:09:06.245000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:09:07.625000+08:00","text":"我跟行政院人事長有常常聯繫，但他……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-09T11:09:07.625000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:09:08.325000+08:00","text":"所以這是人事長的問題嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-09T11:09:08.325000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:09:08.685000+08:00","text":"人事長說這不是他們的問題啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"嚴主任委員德發","start":"2026-04-09T11:09:24.776000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:09:29.703000+08:00","text":"整個還在行政院審閱當中，我們在積極做協調。","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-09T11:09:29.703000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:09:30.965000+08:00","text":"不是，這個非常非常荒謬！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-09T11:09:32.388000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:09:36.815000+08:00","text":"一個簡單的辦法，而且退輔會並不是沒有經費，你們是沒有經費嗎？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"嚴主任委員德發","start":"2026-04-09T11:09:36.815000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T11:09:38.722000+08:00","text":"我們有。","quality":0},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-09T11:09:38.722000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:09:39.463000+08:00","text":"應該是有嘛，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"嚴主任委員德發","start":"2026-04-09T11:09:39.463000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:09:39.463000+08:00","text":"我們有。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-09T11:09:39.743000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:09:52.316000+08:00","text":"我記得你們歷年也都有相關的預算編列，可是這麼重要的環節，竟然就是卡在行政院，搞不好就卡在卓榮泰的手上，他現在桌上不曉得壓了多少公文？","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-09T11:09:53.398000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:09:58.923000+08:00","text":"對老百姓、軍公教有利的法案，他根本都不批，非常非常糟糕！","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-09T11:10:00.472000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:10:19.254000+08:00","text":"我希望嚴主委，您身為退輔會的大家長，應該站在保護或是愛護我們榮民朋友的立場上，要再積極去反映啊，否則現在大家做這麼多的事情都是做白工，全部都看卓榮泰的臉色。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-09T11:10:19.254000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T11:10:22.481000+08:00","text":"立法院三讀通過的軍人加給，他不發也不編列預算，存心在跟我們軍人朋友、榮民朋友作對，我是非常不滿這樣子的情況，所以今天這個辦法草案還卡在行政院，是吧？","quality":0.03},{"speaker":"嚴主任委員德發","start":"2026-04-09T11:10:22.481000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:10:22.901000+08:00","text":"我們還在積極的協調爭取。","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-09T11:10:45.533000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:10:53.802000+08:00","text":"我真的認為再不通過的話，接下來可能不只是彈劾行政院長，可能退輔會都會有問題喔！","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-09T11:10:54.083000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:11:01.331000+08:00","text":"接下來我再問第二個問題，也是我常常聽到基層榮民朋友抱怨的一個議題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-09T11:11:03.033000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:11:16.846000+08:00","text":"現在退輔會將榮民分成第一類跟第二類，這個分類本身沒有問題，但是第一類裡面又再細分為有職的榮民或是無職的榮民，而且兩者待遇差距非常大。","quality":0.984},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-09T11:11:17.287000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:11:22.091000+08:00","text":"就以榮民就醫為例……今天就醫保健處的處長有來嗎？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-09T11:11:23.632000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:11:51.764000+08:00","text":"針對無職榮民，他享有很多譬如退輔會補助繳納健保費、住院伙食費，還有病房費也可以差額免收，部分醫療費用也有補助；但是對於有職榮民的部分，除了在榮民醫院可以享有免收掛號費之外，其餘的全部都回歸到健保體系，他們還是要交健保費，也沒有任何榮民醫療的專屬補助。","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-09T11:11:52.284000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:11:56.689000+08:00","text":"所以我在這裡想請教主委，您覺得這樣子的差別待遇公平嗎？","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-09T11:11:57.430000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:12:11.357000+08:00","text":"同樣是為國家軍隊奉獻20年以上的榮民朋友，卻因為退伍之後有沒有工作，所享受到的福利待遇差別很大！","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-09T11:12:12.418000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:12:18.068000+08:00","text":"這個會不會反而是傳達一種反就業誘因？","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-09T11:12:18.689000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:12:26.857000+08:00","text":"最好這些早期退伍的榮民朋友們就不用再去工作了，大家都在家裡面。","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-09T11:12:28.218000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:12:33.403000+08:00","text":"請問主委，您贊同現在這樣的措施嗎？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"嚴主任委員德發","start":"2026-04-09T11:12:33.543000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:12:34.284000+08:00","text":"委員，我請我們就醫處處長就業管跟您說明。是。","quality":0.684},{"speaker":"劉處長峻正","start":"2026-04-09T11:12:37.649000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:12:58.492000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我是就醫保健處的處長，針對再就業有職榮民的部分，因為涉及到全民健保法的規定，所以不管是榮民或者是配偶，他如果再就業或就職就必須以健保的第一類來投保，我們的保費也是按照薪資的級距計算，這是按照全民健保法作業來辦理的。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"劉處長峻正","start":"2026-04-09T11:12:59.913000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:13:09.398000+08:00","text":"無職榮民的部分也是一樣，按照全民健保法，他如果領有榮民證跟義士證，或是榮民的遺眷家戶代表證的話，他是以健保第六類第一目來投保。","quality":0.776},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-09T11:13:10.038000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:13:18.862000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝處長，簡單來說這是涉及到全民健保法裡面的相關規定，那你們有沒有曾經反映過應該要進行修法？","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-09T11:13:19.782000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:13:24.765000+08:00","text":"站在保障榮民朋友的立場，退輔會是不是應該要提出修法？","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-09T11:13:28.538000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:13:31.802000+08:00","text":"健保法的主管機關應該是衛福部吧？","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-09T11:13:32.383000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:13:32.963000+08:00","text":"你們至少要跟他們去溝通啊！","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"劉處長峻正","start":"2026-04-09T11:13:34.356000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:13:34.956000+08:00","text":"我們想辦法再跟衛福部做溝通，把這樣的需求傳遞給衛福部。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-09T11:13:35.037000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:13:37.678000+08:00","text":"是，本席認為這個未來也會是一個誘因，可以鼓勵、招募更多的年輕人加入軍隊，同時對於國家有功的榮民朋友們有更多的保障。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-09T11:13:37.818000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:14:27.443000+08:00","text":"還有一個類似的問題，現在榮民在政府機關公共體系服務，他薪水天花板只有3萬8,130元，因為他可能有繼續領退伍金，但是他在政府部門工作、有第二個職業、他再就業，卻只能夠領3萬8,130元，其實這也是顯然不公平的事情，這部分是不是可以一併檢討，可以嗎？","quality":0.942},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-09T11:14:27.443000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:14:39.574000+08:00","text":"因為這個真的是讓大家覺得同工不同酬，即便是一個將軍退伍，到公家機關去工作，他也只能領三萬八千元，這其實是很不合理的一件事情。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"羅處長馬可","start":"2026-04-09T11:14:40.695000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:14:43.257000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我是退除給付處處長。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"羅處長馬可","start":"2026-04-09T11:14:43.257000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:14:52.705000+08:00","text":"有關於轉任到公部門是依照服役條例，主管機關是國防部，我們會把這個建議跟國防部反映，以上報告。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-09T11:14:53.065000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:14:54.967000+08:00","text":"對，這個部分我覺得也很重要，希望你們能夠積極去爭取。","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-09T11:14:56.508000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:15:09.898000+08:00","text":"最後，我希望嚴主委可以在一個月之內全面盤點以及檢討現在有職榮民跟無職榮民制度、福利的差別，以及相關的法規。","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-09T11:15:10.118000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:15:22.687000+08:00","text":"同時，對於剛剛我們講的，未來榮民在公家機關服務的薪資待遇有沒有可能再提高，這個部分請退輔會一個月內給本席一份報告，好嗎？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-09T11:15:22.687000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:15:34.533000+08:00","text":"你們如果不方便推法案的話，本席可以在這裡提案，我的目的就是希望能夠保障、維護我們所有軍人以及榮民朋友們的權益。","quality":1},{"speaker":"嚴主任委員德發","start":"2026-04-09T11:15:35.574000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:15:36.454000+08:00","text":"我們回去再檢討。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-09T11:15:36.595000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:15:37.135000+08:00","text":"一個月可以吧？可以。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-09T11:15:38.055000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:15:39.036000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"嚴主任委員德發","start":"2026-04-09T11:15:39.036000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T11:15:40.036000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T11:15:39.056000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:15:39.216000+08:00","text":"謝謝翁曉玲委員。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T11:15:39.216000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:15:39.356000+08:00","text":"接下來請賴士葆委員質詢。","quality":0.455}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}