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召委所指導的我們看是不是再適度的再給它調高再增加好 主委我們剛剛有提到一個就是說它一餐你100塊其實也是補助一餐可是它明明一天它有三餐不管你要怎麼樣去做這樣的補助你說放假的時候它只吃一餐嗎或者你補助的那個"},{"start":497.028,"end":514.773,"text":"他的那個額度我想其實還可以更人性化一點而且更真的可以落實他的照顧他第一人數不多預算也不高所以就這個部分去做一個整體的一個評估跟考量以後我們做一個妥適的一個調整好不好是可以我們在做檢討好謝謝主委謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-04-09T11:22:26.089000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:22:27.013000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，麻煩請主委。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T11:22:27.455000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:22:27.636000+08:00","text":"請主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"嚴主任委員德發","start":"2026-04-09T11:22:34.382000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:22:34.622000+08:00","text":"召委好。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-04-09T11:22:35.202000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:22:35.482000+08:00","text":"主委好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-04-09T11:22:37.043000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:23:30.904000+08:00","text":"我們之前曾經針對國軍上校階領俸人員子女教育補助費的問題詢問過主委目前執行的狀況，本席要再次提醒退輔會這個案子，因為立法院在去年6月10號已經三讀通過，已增訂第二十七條之一授權退輔會跟教育部共同訂定子女教育補助費發給辦法，總統也已經在去年6月27日公布，退輔會也完成相關草案法規的審核，明定114年8月1日施行，去年就應該要做的事情，可是退輔會在去年9月1日公告辦理情形，行政院要求要報院審閱同意，再會同教育部公告。","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-04-09T11:23:31.144000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:23:44.037000+08:00","text":"我想請教，從總統公布到現在已經快要1年的時間，行政院審議也將近1年，目前的問題是什麼？","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-04-09T11:23:44.037000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:23:45.959000+08:00","text":"還不公布的原因到底是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"嚴主任委員德發","start":"2026-04-09T11:23:47.431000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:24:08.638000+08:00","text":"報告召委，我一直跟行政院人事長保持聯繫，主要就是軍人跟公教人員補助費能夠衡平，他們在做計算或計畫在作業，一直在審查、審閱當中，需要一點時間，目前我所知道的資訊是這樣，我一直跟他們保持聯繫，希望能夠儘快回復。","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-04-09T11:24:10.957000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:24:11.237000+08:00","text":"他們要錢的時候不是這樣子喔！","quality":1},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-04-09T11:24:11.257000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:24:46.808000+08:00","text":"要錢都是需求孔急、一天都不能等，可是在本案審議的過程中……因為這些榮民、袍澤子女……我們還是再次提醒，在這個過程中我們覺得比較不合理的是，沒有什麼衡平的考量，因為現在是針對中校、少校跟上校階，而不是跟其他的公務人員做比較。","quality":0.888},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-04-09T11:24:46.808000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:25:05.244000+08:00","text":"就這部分，如果像就讀私立大學可以先領教育部17,500元的補助費，可是辦法公布以後，要先繳回教育部的補助款再申請退輔會35,800元的補助費。","quality":0.965},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-04-09T11:25:05.244000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:25:44.705000+08:00","text":"其實退輔會基本上補助是35,800，教育部是17,500，現在退役上校跟中校平均月退俸其實相差不多，我們現在看到如果比較資深的……依據退輔會提供的資料，如果是退役比較資深的官階，比如上校大概73,000左右，中校大概59,000將近60,000，少校大概51,000，可是如果比較資淺剛升沒多久就退，其實他的月俸大概也是五萬多塊而已。","quality":0.888},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-04-09T11:25:45.506000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:26:14.584000+08:00","text":"今天好不容易升到上校，其實應該是他表現很優異可以有升遷的機會才升到上校，因為中校跟少校都可以有這樣的子女教育補助費，可是上校反而沒有，對他們來說同樣是退役軍人卻因為階級跟身分的差異，一個只領一萬多，一個可以領三萬多，這是不是形同減俸？","quality":0.908},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-04-09T11:26:14.724000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:26:15.004000+08:00","text":"這樣合理嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-04-09T11:26:15.364000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:26:15.765000+08:00","text":"可以一直這樣拖嗎？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-04-09T11:26:19.786000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:26:37.300000+08:00","text":"因為早期上校、中校、少校都可以領，是我們修了以後他才不能領，現在一直……而且法也都通過了，這等於是變相懲罰在軍中多付出或者表現更好的人，主委的看法或者我們還可以怎麼做？","quality":0.987},{"speaker":"嚴主任委員德發","start":"2026-04-09T11:26:39.164000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:26:56.089000+08:00","text":"的確誠如召委說的，這些資深的上校跟資淺的上校還有跟中校、少校比，的確是有一些不公平，我們也有把這些狀況向上反映，希望能夠儘早恢復。","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-04-09T11:26:56.269000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:27:02.628000+08:00","text":"我想要請教一下，它現在在哪個地方？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-04-09T11:27:03.568000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:27:05.490000+08:00","text":"在哪個單位？誰擋？","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-04-09T11:27:05.490000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:27:06.690000+08:00","text":"為什麼擋？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-04-09T11:27:06.690000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:27:07.291000+08:00","text":"問題出在哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"嚴主任委員德發","start":"2026-04-09T11:27:08.071000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:27:10.813000+08:00","text":"我們把案子送到行政院外法處。","quality":0.615},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-04-09T11:27:10.813000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:27:11.494000+08:00","text":"現在在哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"嚴主任委員德發","start":"2026-04-09T11:27:14.756000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:27:15.656000+08:00","text":"外交國防法務處。","quality":1},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2026-04-09T11:27:17.718000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:27:18.318000+08:00","text":"放多久了？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅處長馬可","start":"2026-04-09T11:27:2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入紀錄，並刊登公報。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}