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謝謝瑋恩"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-09T11:47:11.509000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:47:12.550000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，有請部長。哪個？","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T11:47:12.550000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:47:12.550000+08:00","text":"農業部？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-09T11:47:12.810000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:47:12.950000+08:00","text":"農業部部長，對。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T11:47:12.950000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:47:13.030000+08:00","text":"農業部陳部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-09T11:47:13.030000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:47:13.030000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-09T11:47:13.030000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T11:47:34.077000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-09T11:47:34.077000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:48:11.290000+08:00","text":"我今天最主要是要來關心「人用藥品用於犬貓及非經濟動物之使用管理辦法」，這件事情已經引發了各界恐慌，包括飼主、獸醫師、獸醫院，還有野保團體，就是做野生動物急救的救傷單位，他們其實都反映這樣子的規範可能會實質影響他們醫治動物的即時性跟彈性，特別是我們野生動物的救傷其實都在荒郊野外，離市區非常非常的遠，所以這會影響他們第一時間去救治野生動物，以及會讓動物承受不必要的痛苦。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-09T11:48:12.350000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:48:30.017000+08:00","text":"我知道防檢署就在明天就要來召開研析會議，有三個問題我想要跟這個部長拜託，是不是現在我們先把這一場研析會議設定為一個意見蒐集的諮詢會議？","quality":0.828},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-09T11:48:30.017000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:48:39.441000+08:00","text":"因為畢竟現在實在有非常多的爭議，如果我們可以先蒐集大家的意見來做為原則的話，我覺得大家會比較安心，這件事情是不是可以請部長承諾呢？","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-09T11:48:42.004000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:48:51.390000+08:00","text":"我們本來的定位就是在溝通跟意見的蒐集，在那邊不會輕易下任何最後決議。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-09T11:48:51.390000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:48:51.590000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-09T11:48:51.590000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:48:55.672000+08:00","text":"因為我想大家非常在乎的就是部長這一句話。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-09T11:48:55.672000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:49:04.938000+08:00","text":"不過，我還要再補充一點，以農業部的立場，怎麼樣確保跟保護寵物的生命權跟醫療權，這是最重要的。對。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-09T11:49:05.438000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:49:23.896000+08:00","text":"在這個前提之下怎麼樣去處理用藥的管理，可是現在因為外界很多都一直在討論用藥的管理，反而忽略了……等於說透過用藥管理來滿足……我覺得應該是先確保在這個前提之下，我們有沒有什麼樣一個更好的作為。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-09T11:49:23.896000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T11:49:25.637000+08:00","text":"沒錯，好喔！","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-09T11:49:25.637000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:49:35.746000+08:00","text":"前兩天我們跟衛福部已經有先做了溝通，也有得到一些進展，我們會在這個進展的基礎之下，再繼續做一些更好的溝通。好。","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-09T11:49:37.467000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:49:40.270000+08:00","text":"部長這樣子的承諾，對大家來說會稍微安心一下。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-09T11:49:40.890000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:49:55.523000+08:00","text":"再接下來，因為部長剛也有說會在之前的基礎之上再繼續討論，是不是有可能來邀請包含野生動物的救傷單位、動物園、公立收容所、第一線的臨床飼主，甚至是獸醫？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-09T11:49:55.703000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:50:02.769000+08:00","text":"因為他們可能都會受到實際的影響，所以你們是不是多開幾場座談會來蒐集這些不同關係人的意見呢？","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-09T11:50:03.210000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:50:06.633000+08:00","text":"這部分是可以的嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-09T11:50:06.633000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:50:15.850000+08:00","text":"可以，也是應該要這樣做的，而且不只是一次性的溝通，我希望溝通跟意見的蒐集能夠更廣泛。了解。","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-09T11:50:16.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:50:33.517000+08:00","text":"好，我們也看了一下，現在其實只有登記兩百多項，是不是也可以去清查到底這些第一線的獸醫最緊急、最迫切的用藥是哪些？","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-09T11:50:34.577000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:50:39.319000+08:00","text":"還有就是飼主的寵物最普遍、常常會需要用到的藥又是哪些？","quality":0.72},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-09T11:50:39.699000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:50:44.141000+08:00","text":"我們是不是可以清查起來，再來比對這些名單裡面到底哪些還不夠？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-09T11:50:45.181000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:50:51.425000+08:00","text":"怎麼樣來協助他們儘快成為登記的部分，這部分是可以做清查跟協助的部分嗎？","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-09T11:50:51.425000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:51:01.410000+08:00","text":"這個其實我們防檢署也正在做，701項跟現在的兩百多項，其實真正只有144項的品項，我覺得這是正面表列。","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-09T11:51:02.811000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:51:07.274000+08:00","text":"就藥品來講，它就是一個藥，只是它的管理有分為人用跟寵物用藥……","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-09T11:51:07.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Health健康一體的概念，所以希望部長跟你們的防檢署都要在這樣子的視角之下，讓我們的動物和第一線的獸醫師可以及時取得一些醫療資源，讓他們可以正常運作，謝謝。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-09T11:53:15.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:53:16.061000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T11:53:16.561000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T11:53:17.989571+08:00","text":"謝謝張委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T11:53:18.289571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T11:53:27.432429+08:00","text":"接下來有請王鴻薇委員，王鴻薇委員可以講久一點，因為要等一下蔡易餘委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}