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就針對Wi-Fi這件事情做幾點疑問因為本人的父親在我小學的時候是曾經做過遠洋漁工那我知道他們在那個環境裡面我們都知道我們被最外國詬病就是我們的工作過"},{"start":547.841,"end":554.548,"text":"過場給付不足 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專業的，他們在提供給雇主的服務上面也有其價值。","quality":0.829},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T11:39:34.055000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:39:45.140000+08:00","text":"所以我們的重點並不是要去消滅仲介，並不是，而是要建立一個接軌國際、符合目前勞動人權要求的公平招募的機制，我們的目標是這件事情。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T11:39:45.780000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:39:58.944000+08:00","text":"所以在建立這樣的制度之下，只要能夠符合國際公平招募的原則和概念，我想各方大家一起來參與都很好。","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-09T11:39:59.284000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:40:02.066000+08:00","text":"對，當然，現在要解決的就是所謂的資訊不對等啦！","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-09T11:40:03.587000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:40:15.596000+08:00","text":"我們再問第二個問題，就是現在我們有看到買工費、續聘費、轉換費這些亂收費用的現象，我們可以裁罰。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-09T11:40:16.437000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:40:25.820000+08:00","text":"不過我想知道，我們一再用裁罰來查處，為什麼這種市場還是一直都有利可圖，或者一而再、再而三發生呢？","quality":0.86},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T11:40:27.786000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:40:31.548000+08:00","text":"第一個，查處和裁罰是方法之一。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T11:40:33.789000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:40:48.377000+08:00","text":"此外，現在我們自己也看到，越來越多的企業雇主也意識到公平招募的重要性，而且做到這件事情的時候，其實對他們企業在供應鏈裡面的信任度和競爭力都有好處，這也是為什麼很多企業開始投入的原因。","quality":0.965},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T11:40:48.957000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:41:14.071000+08:00","text":"因為如果沒有做到，剛才大家講到的是被我們重要的貿易國家夥伴要求，可是現在有更多正在發生的事情是供應鏈裡面的品牌、供應鏈裡面的進口商直接回頭用供應鏈管理的方式去稽核他供應鏈上面的成員、供應商的相關勞動人權部分，這也是一個重要的機制。","quality":0.936},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T11:41:15.012000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:41:22.537000+08:00","text":"這個機制比較多是來自供應鏈管理的商業機制部分，現在我們也希望能夠跟這樣的商業機制來進行合作。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T11:41:23.037000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:41:28.341000+08:00","text":"所以有公權力的機制，也有商業相關的機制，大家可以相輔相成。","quality":1},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-09T11:41:29.069000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:41:35.974000+08:00","text":"我們知道這樣一個買工費的長期存在，就是制度有問題，所以我還是希望勞動部多努力。","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-09T11:41:36.414000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:41:42.739000+08:00","text":"第二個就是有些產業是不是可以強化它的直聘和政府的媒合？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-09T11:41:43.099000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:41:48.723000+08:00","text":"比如哪些職業或者是類別需要外部的專業服務，可是要加強它的監管和透明度。","quality":0.788},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-09T11:41:50.524000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:42:02.433000+08:00","text":"第三個就是我們能不能升級成為以產業屬性來設計聘僱制度，我的最終理想是這樣。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T11:42:03.854000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:42:15.204000+08:00","text":"制度會有其整體制度上面該考慮的事情，現在整體制度上面，當然我們粗分為產業移工和家事移工，確實在這邊會有分。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T11:42:15.844000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:42:26.573000+08:00","text":"可是在我們簽署的ART裡面，現在比較多會先著重的部分是製造業、漁撈業，還是比較針對產業移工。","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-09T11:42:28.949000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:42:31.651000+08:00","text":"第三個問題就是對原住民就業的衝擊。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-09T11:42:32.351000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:42:42.198000+08:00","text":"現在我們看到，每幫1位本國勞工加薪2,000元，就可以額外再增聘1名移工，上限是10%。","quality":0.781},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-09T11:42:42.758000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:42:50.784000+08:00","text":"現在人數上限從40%提到45%，也開放旅宿業、商港碼頭業這些比較重視勞力的。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-09T11:42:51.264000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:43:01.652000+08:00","text":"我想說這些工作大部分都是我們原住民在從事的工作，所以有沒有對原住民勞工、偏鄉青年勞工與高風險低薪產業做衝擊評估？","quality":0.83},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T11:43:04.154000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:43:12.721000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，目前原住民的失業率水準其實是比整體國人還要來得低的。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T11:43:15.003000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:43:35.310000+08:00","text":"此外，剛剛說到，對於偏鄉勞工、高風險低薪產業的衝擊評估，以商港碼頭業來說，我們的確看到他們人力缺口的狀況是蠻嚴重的，這也是為什麼我們把它考慮放進能夠引進的範疇裡面。","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T11:43:37.811000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:43:47.173000+08:00","text":"所以的確在目前開放引進的行業裡面，我們都會評估目前這個行業裡面的勞動力缺口狀況。","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T11:43:48.353000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:43:58.516000+08:00","text":"在去年公布的跨國勞動力精進方案裡面，我們的確看到包括旅宿業或商港碼頭業，是在各種整體評估中缺口相對比較大的。","quality":0.843},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T11:44:00.316000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:44:07.821000+08:00","text":"我們認為在這些行業做這樣的開放，其實對於本國勞工就業的影響會是相對比較小的。","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-09T11:44:08.121000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:44:15.346000+08:00","text":"我還是要特別強調，作為原住民的立委，當然還是要優先關切我們原住民勞工跟本國勞工的工作權。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-09T11:44:15.806000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:44:21.830000+08:00","text":"國家不能用一群比較弱勢、比較沒有議價能力的人去壓低另外一群本來就處於不利位置的人。","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-09T11:44:22.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:44:30.555000+08:00","text":"我們不是反對移工，可是還是要問國家有沒有避免讓弱勢彼此競爭，讓彼此來承擔這個制度的成本？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T11:44:31.496000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:44:44.665000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，我們非常非常樂意跟原民會討論怎麼樣再提高原住民整體的就業率，來降低失業率，雖然現在原住民失業率已經比整體國人來得低了。","quality":0.934},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T11:44:44.845000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:44:52.970000+08:00","text":"但我們很樂意，尤其是怎麼樣協助原住民勞工找到更優質的工作機會，我們很願意跟原民會一起來討論跟溝通。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-09T11:44:53.330000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:44:53.691000+08:00","text":"謝謝部長，謝謝。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-09T11:44:54.191000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:44:54.791000+08:00","text":"請農業部王署長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王署長茂城","start":"2026-04-09T11:44:54.791000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T11:45:08.498000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-09T11:45:08.498000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:45:11.142000+08:00","text":"針對WiFi這件事情，本席有幾點疑問。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-09T11:45:11.142000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:45:28.064000+08:00","text":"因為本人的父親在我小學的時候曾經做過遠洋漁工，我知道他們在那個環境裡，最被外國詬病的就是工作時間過長、給付不足、生活條件不佳，所以遭到美方關切。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-09T11:45:28.585000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:45:30.788000+08:00","text":"我們現在有948艘船，目標是300艘，可是現在只有183艘裝設。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-09T11:45:30.988000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:45:31.548000+08:00","text":"這樣的進度，你滿意嗎？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"王署長茂城","start":"2026-04-09T11:45:39.365000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:45:41.005000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，真的是不滿意。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王署長茂城","start":"2026-04-09T11:45:41.946000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:45:58.110000+08:00","text":"現在署裡面絕對會用盡各種獎勵、輔導或是政策工具的手段，來協助這些遠洋經營者，而且不只是要裝，還要開放給漁工使用，這才是重點。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"王署長茂城","start":"2026-04-09T11:45:59.870000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:46:19.443000+08:00","text":"因為在海上WiFi可以暢通，靠的是衛星網路，現在國內的衛星設備經過NCC形式認證的，就只有Inmarsat跟OneWeb兩個衛星系統。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"王署長茂城","start":"2026-04-09T11:46:19.443000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:46:32.206000+08:00","text":"但是這兩個衛星系統其實傳輸速度慢，而且單價又高，最快的還是像美國的Starlink星鏈這一種，傳輸速度是好的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王署長茂城","start":"2026-04-09T11:46:32.607000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:46:47.893000+08:00","text":"所以政策上現在有一些調整，就是我不去糾結你買什麼設備，我們用通訊費的補助來鼓勵經營者開放WiFi、衛星網路，讓漁工來使用。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王署長茂城","start":"2026-04-09T11:46:48.414000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:47:16.442000+08:00","text":"另外，他如果能開放給漁工使用達到一定的程度，跟委員報告，因為現在的遠洋作業在各個國際組織是高度管理，有一些魚種都是有配額分配的，我們就會善用這種配額獎勵的方式，提高誘因，讓經營者儘速提升WiFi分享的使用率。","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-09T11:47:17.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:47:26.541000+08:00","text":"我們知道它確實是遠洋漁工申訴、求救、聯繫、保存證據，以及降低恐懼跟控制的重要基礎設施。","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-09T11:47:26.841000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:47:28.763000+08:00","text":"我看到第二期計畫已經送到行政院？是。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-09T11:47:29.244000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:47:37.033000+08:00","text":"是不是對比如工資通報、專戶保管、工資墊償這些項目，有沒有明確的目標跟預算？","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"王署長茂城","start":"2026-04-09T11:47:37.593000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:47:53.711000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，過去這兩、三年確實被一些勞團指控有一些欠薪的案件，其實我們花了很多的時間都把它處理完了，但是現在欠薪的處理機制一定要建立起來。","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"王署長茂城","start":"2026-04-09T11:47:53.711000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:48:04.962000+08:00","text":"所以我們在去年研擬好，就是未來這些經營者要定期申報薪資的給付狀況。","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"王署長茂城","start":"2026-04-09T11:48:05.162000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:48:29.677000+08:00","text":"我們也要求工會、工協會針對這些漁船聘僱人數的高低、薪資發放作業期間的長短，要提撥一定的金額進到工會，成立一個基金，只要一發生欠薪，工會這筆基金馬上先解決；至於欠薪的那條船，我們後續透過其他行政手段來做。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王署長茂城","start":"2026-04-09T11:48:30.137000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:48:34.238000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，這在今年1月1日我們就正式實施了。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-09T11:48:34.858000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:48:35.719000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-09T11:48:36.219000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:48:43.040000+08:00","text":"希望農業部能夠在會後提供兩年內全面普及率的具體時程跟預算編列的狀況給本席，可以嗎？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"王署長茂城","start":"2026-04-09T11:48:43.040000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:48:43.881000+08:00","text":"可以，沒問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-09T11:48:44.281000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:48:44.401000+08:00","text":"謝謝署長。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"王署長茂城","start":"2026-04-09T11:48:44.401000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:48:44.501000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T11:48:44.641000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:48:45.281000+08:00","text":"謝謝盧縣一召委的發言。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T11:48:45.781000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T11:48:48.923857+08:00","text":"接下來請楊瓊瓔委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}