{"error":false,"id":["168387"],"data":{"IVOD_ID":168387,"IVOD_URL":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168387","日期":"2026-04-09","會議資料":{"會議代碼":"委員會-11-5-26-5","會議代碼:str":"第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第5次全體委員會議","屆":11,"會期":5,"會次":5,"臨時會會次":null,"種類":"委員會","委員會代碼":[26],"委員會代碼:str":["社會福利及衛生環境委員會"],"標題":"第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第5次全體委員會議"},"影片種類":"Clip","開始時間":"2026-04-09T11:48:55+08:00","結束時間":"2026-04-09T11:58:29+08:00","影片長度":"00:09:34","支援功能":["ai-transcript","gazette"],"video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/fe6424cd58e46bc7e75a9745b2b6bda20a49e36d97d29c5f155eb231b44028897fc8a76f1bb69cd85ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"楊瓊瓔","委員發言時間":"11:48:55 - 11:58:29","會議時間":"2026-04-09T09:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：邀請勞動部部長、經濟部、農業部就「防制強迫勞動與公平招募：台灣移工制度接軌國際人權與供應鏈治理」進行專題報告，並備質詢。【4月8日及9日二天一次會】）","transcript":{"pyannote":[{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":5.66721875,"end":8.19846875,"speaker_score":0.921},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":8.50221875,"end":9.396593750000001,"speaker_score":0.921},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":18.12096875,"end":18.74534375,"speaker_score":0.947},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":18.96471875,"end":36.869093750000005,"speaker_score":0.921},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":36.88596875,"end":37.27409375,"speaker_score":0.921},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":37.409093750000004,"end":49.06971875,"speaker_score":0.921},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":48.42846875,"end":49.424093750000004,"speaker_score":0.947},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":49.727843750000005,"end":111.84471875000001,"speaker_score":0.921},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":112.35096875,"end":114.19034375000001,"speaker_score":0.921},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":114.42659375000001,"end":115.05096875000001,"speaker_score":0.921},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":115.37159375,"end":130.86284375,"speaker_score":0.947},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":131.18346875,"end":140.92034375,"speaker_score":0.947},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":140.00909375,"end":143.23221875000002,"speaker_score":0.921},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":143.48534375,"end":146.65784375,"speaker_score":0.921},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":147.06284375,"end":151.34909375,"speaker_score":0.921},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":151.65284375000002,"end":167.73471875,"speaker_score":0.921},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":153.98159375,"end":154.53846875000002,"speaker_score":0.947},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":167.97096875,"end":168.32534375,"speaker_score":0.921},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":168.84846875000002,"end":177.50534375,"speaker_score":0.921},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":171.56534375,"end":172.37534375,"speaker_score":0.947},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":177.67409375,"end":188.18721875,"speaker_score":0.921},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":188.18721875,"end":200.62409375000001,"speaker_score":0.947},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":200.75909375,"end":203.96534375000002,"speaker_score":0.947},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":204.52221875,"end":207.93096875,"speaker_score":0.947},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":208.74096875,"end":229.09221875,"speaker_score":0.947},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":229.36221875,"end":253.72971875000002,"speaker_score":0.947},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":254.55659375000002,"end":261.84659375,"speaker_score":0.947},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":262.53846875,"end":268.79909375,"speaker_score":0.947},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":268.54596875000004,"end":271.65096875,"speaker_score":0.921},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":272.46096875,"end":277.30409375,"speaker_score":0.947},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":277.79346875000005,"end":278.83971875000003,"speaker_score":0.947},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":279.16034375000004,"end":279.88596875,"speaker_score":0.947},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":280.35846875000004,"end":280.83096875,"speaker_score":0.947},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":281.57346875,"end":283.66596875,"speaker_score":0.947},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":284.25659375000004,"end":285.65721875,"speaker_score":0.947},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":285.65721875,"end":289.94346875,"speaker_score":0.921},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":290.46659375,"end":298.61721875,"speaker_score":0.921},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":299.73096875000005,"end":310.66596875000005,"speaker_score":0.921},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":306.75096875,"end":307.00409375000004,"speaker_score":0.947},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":310.90221875000003,"end":318.47909375,"speaker_score":0.921},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":320.38596875,"end":347.14971875000003,"speaker_score":0.947},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":347.38596875,"end":363.41721875,"speaker_score":0.947},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":359.85659375,"end":420.42096875000004,"speaker_score":0.921},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":367.33221875000004,"end":367.60221875,"speaker_score":0.947},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":372.10784375000003,"end":372.49596875000003,"speaker_score":0.947},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":373.50846875,"end":373.96409375,"speaker_score":0.947},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":420.52221875000004,"end":429.49971875,"speaker_score":0.921},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":428.68971875000005,"end":432.33471875000004,"speaker_score":0.947},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":432.62159375000005,"end":439.50659375000004,"speaker_score":0.947},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":435.72659375,"end":436.26659375,"speaker_score":0.921},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":436.62096875000003,"end":437.97096875000005,"speaker_score":0.921},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":439.50659375000004,"end":442.91534375000003,"speaker_score":0.921},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":441.37971875000005,"end":460.12784375,"speaker_score":0.947},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":460.54971875,"end":484.93409375000005,"speaker_score":0.947},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":472.48034375000003,"end":472.95284375000006,"speaker_score":0.921},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":475.39971875000003,"end":475.68659375000004,"speaker_score":0.921},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":484.83284375000005,"end":485.60909375000006,"speaker_score":0.921},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":485.79471875,"end":520.4053437499999,"speaker_score":0.921},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":521.29971875,"end":535.6772187500001,"speaker_score":0.947},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":537.92159375,"end":556.29846875,"speaker_score":0.947},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":556.3828437500001,"end":559.4540937500001,"speaker_score":0.921},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":559.9097187500001,"end":561.22596875,"speaker_score":0.921},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":561.8503437500001,"end":569.52846875,"speaker_score":0.921},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":566.9297187500001,"end":567.3684687500001,"speaker_score":0.947},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":568.68471875,"end":569.08971875,"speaker_score":0.947},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":570.49034375,"end":575.14784375,"speaker_score":0.921}],"whisperx":[{"start":6.118,"end":9.127,"text":"謝謝主席 楊卿發言 邀請部長有請洪部長"},{"start":20.138,"end":44.987,"text":"我們來討論外籍移工的議題台灣從1980年我們開始引進了外籍移工目前的人數大約是85萬人主要的來源大概就是印尼、菲律賓、泰國、越南但是我們在2025年9月份的時候發生了一件美國對於我們知名品牌自行車巨大"},{"start":45.928,"end":57.019,"text":"實施了禁止進口令暫扣暫扣對 所以這個事情那與供應鏈它存在的就是他們說法是說強迫勞動的風險包括了工人因債務被迫勞動等這些事項"},{"start":66.188,"end":81.721,"text":"當然這個影響到整個的巨大的股價重挫但是我們看到國際勞工組織它的強迫勞動指標它的項目大概有11項包括剛剛所說的過度加工等"},{"start":82.861,"end":111.24,"text":"那我們又看到我國的制度我方的制度呢我國政府是允許仲介向移工收取這個仲介費所以業者會擔心隨著供應鏈的一個審查在歐美如果成為是常態化的話那麼我們目前在台灣的這個移工制度可能會受到國際影響的一個牽扯那所以部長我們要怎麼樣"},{"start":112.461,"end":130.629,"text":"去協助我們的產業請做說明跟各位說明第一個我們很清楚看到現在國際在移工人權或勞工人權上面要求的趨勢而且大家的要求的標準越來越高甚至重視的程度越來越高我們必須看清楚這件事情所以方向上是清楚的"},{"start":131.249,"end":146.359,"text":"我們一定要更加的重視公平招募也包括降低工因為來台而會被債欠債的這個狀況部長你現在這麼說呢也就是看看我們的制度那當然大品牌包括美利達巨大"},{"start":147.119,"end":167.121,"text":"他們在這個戰扣令實施之後他們更加的去加強也就是整個他完全包括限職包括新進他是完全的這個零互惠的政策但是我們看到台灣的產業中小企業占多數"},{"start":169.143,"end":187.413,"text":"這一塊我們政府要怎麼去協助他大型的企業他們願意努力做我們給美利達給巨大戰許但是本期要跟你討論就是說在台灣中小企業占九成以上的這個情況之下你如何來協助我們這些產業"},{"start":188.373,"end":206.959,"text":"所以第一個是我們其實現在在二月的時候其實我們也提出了相關的指引來協助產業去辨識相關的風險跟管理風險那目前跟經濟部合作的輔導宣導的做法其實目前也正在上路之中那再來一個就是剛剛其實也幾個委員談到了"},{"start":208.789,"end":227.023,"text":"也有包括要對仲介的人力仲介他們的這個經營的方式跟他們的這個運作的方法上我們會希望用仲介的評鑑的方式來做引導讓大家更重視公平招募的部分把這部分納為仲介評鑑裡面重要的評鑑跟辨識的項目"},{"start":229.505,"end":252.837,"text":"那當然我們現在有定包括在跟這個美方的談判裡面我們也談到其實會要在三年內我們必須針對製造業也好或幾個產業來修改法規那為什麼有三年這部分也是剛剛委員講到的確實有些大廠他比較有條件快速的來去做調整可是我們有很多中小企業這些中小企業他確實會比較需要一個調適期"},{"start":255.125,"end":271.46,"text":"這個調適期要讓他們對於這樣子的一個趨勢跟這樣子的必要性有一定的程度的了解同時政府也不只勞動部可能包括產業主管機關也要一直來協助大家怎麼在這方面來去做你所謂的三年內要怎麼去做"},{"start":272.826,"end":298.033,"text":"三年內是我們是有承諾在三年內要以法規的方式要禁止像這些產業移工來收取仲介費或招募費所以部長你講的這個就是重點到目前為止我們的法律是許可的所以到我們要跟國際接軌的時候中小企業沒有辦法有這個能量的時候我們除了法規"},{"start":300.853,"end":317.92,"text":"這個指引應該要怎麼樣能夠讓我們的中小企業它可以承受得住第一個非常的重要還能夠跟國際接軌因為剛才本席一再強調我們的量體是以中小企業為多數就業率也都是在這邊"},{"start":320.547,"end":336.2,"text":"所以剛剛跟委員說明的是其實在這一段調試期裡面我們有非常多的工作要必須來做甚至是其實也開始會有一些企業表達過去可能很多的招募費用是由移工來付接下來如果不行的話"},{"start":336.92,"end":358.893,"text":"那就變成雇主付還是他們願意現在來跟政府合作用執聘的方式因為執聘的方式現在變成是一個有助於企業降低成本的做法因為以前假如這個招募費用是移工來付的話其實企業不用負擔所以他可能對這件事情不是那麼重視可是當未來他要由企業來負擔的時候雇主來負擔的時候他就開始對這件事情比較重視因為這就變成成本向"},{"start":359.873,"end":382.671,"text":"所以部長 針對這個問題我們大家一起看到了這個問題所以我們也希望要加緊腳步怎麼樣去指引在法規方面怎麼樣去協助我們所有的中小企業產業因為大家都有這個憂心所以因此台灣跟美國簽了ART之後也就是被迫勞動產品的清單"},{"start":385.574,"end":392.821,"text":"所以相關的商品進口美國海關公佈目前為止有55個企業跟8個招確診有強迫勞動狀況的事業所以"},{"start":400.609,"end":403.111,"text":"美國針對於強迫勞動的這個議題 展開了301的這個調查那經貿辦他也預計在4月15以前要提出書面的證實4月28號會赴華美初期公聽會 力保台灣產業出口的競爭力所以部長"},{"start":420.663,"end":438.994,"text":"目前為止我們政府對於這樣的調查我們的因應如何因為這個關係的整個我們的產業產業非常的用心跟郭委員說明其實我們現在跟經貿辦跟行政院也一直在準備這個301調查相關的資料的文件現在我們一直在準備正在準備這件事情"},{"start":439.594,"end":459.811,"text":"所以4月15以前會提出嗎對一定我們會提出那所以這也是為什麼我們其實在今天在行政院院會把這個禁止扣留勞工相關的重要文件的這樣子的修法的草案今天在行政院院會已經列討論案通過以後我們就會盡快的送到"},{"start":460.612,"end":487.783,"text":"立法院裡面希望來做審議那這部分其實就是也是在向美方讓美方了解其實我們對於禁止強迫勞動我們是有實質的作為的不是只有口號我們是有實質的作為的那這邊都是實質的作為希望有助於這些作為包括救護法的修法這些作為都是能夠有助於我們在301的調查裡面尤其是針對強迫勞動的部分的檢視所以因此不只是美方"},{"start":488.103,"end":499.29,"text":"歐盟預計企業永續禁止調查指令他也預計在2027年要上路所以要求企業全面要檢視整個供應鏈的人權跟環境風險所以台灣未來"},{"start":505.053,"end":519.768,"text":"要怎麼樣去建立這個制度要不然我們企業也是非常的憂心到時候可能面臨到非常高額的一個罰款甚至國際的制裁所以政府有這個責任要怎麼樣協助我們的產業"},{"start":521.943,"end":535.213,"text":"第一個我們先看到了美方CBP跟我們貿易談判的部分那確實歐盟這邊他也有CSDD就是剛才講金融調查的部分這個調查比較是針對公司針對公司的部分那也有他們的FLR就是"},{"start":538.104,"end":561.045,"text":"強迫勞動的禁止商品禁止的部分它比較是針對產品的部分那這邊有它不同著重的重點所以我們也必須看到的確現在我們一直在跟企業看到你必須看到我們這些重要的國際貿易的夥伴目前都在越來越重視甚至會提拿出作為的說話所以我們確實是必須要加速對所以台灣結論就是說台灣的產業是非常的精兵"},{"start":562.347,"end":568.553,"text":"跟世界連結所以這些企業所憂心的也是政府的責任要怎麼樣好好的去協助謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T11:49:01.118000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:49:02.041000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，楊瓊瓔發言。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T11:49:02.322000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:49:03.686000+08:00","text":"邀請部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T11:49:03.686000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:49:04.127000+08:00","text":"有請洪部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T11:49:04.127000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T11:49:15.138000+08:00","text":"楊委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T11:49:15.138000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:49:18.119000+08:00","text":"部長好，我們來討論外籍移工的議題。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T11:49:18.119000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:49:31.624000+08:00","text":"臺灣從1980年開始引進外籍移工，目前的人數大約是85萬人，主要的來源大概就是印尼、菲律賓、泰國、越南。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T11:49:32.484000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:49:42.830000+08:00","text":"但是2025年9月份的時候，發生美國對我們知名品牌自行車巨大實施了禁止進口令的事情。","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T11:49:43.791000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:49:43.791000+08:00","text":"是暫扣。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T11:49:47.534000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:50:05.812000+08:00","text":"至於與供應鏈的關係，他們的說法是強迫勞動的風險，包括工人因債務被迫勞動等事項，當然這影響到巨大的股價重挫。","quality":0.898},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T11:50:07.053000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:50:16.701000+08:00","text":"我們看到國際勞工組織的強迫勞動指標項目大概有11項，包括剛剛所說的過度加班等。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T11:50:19.002000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:50:43.539000+08:00","text":"而我國的制度，我國政府是允許仲介向移工收取仲介費，所以業者會擔心，隨著供應鏈的審查在歐美如果成為常態化的話，那麼目前在臺灣的移工制度可能會受到國際影響的牽扯。","quality":0.986},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T11:50:44.679000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:50:49.602000+08:00","text":"所以部長，要怎麼協助我們的產業？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T11:50:49.602000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:50:49.862000+08:00","text":"請做說明。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T11:50:50.442000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:51:05.609000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，我們很清楚看到現在國際在移工人權或勞工人權要求的趨勢，而且大家要求的標準越來越高，甚至重視的程度也越來越高，我們必須看清楚這件事情，所以方向上是清楚的。","quality":0.961},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T11:51:06.249000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:51:15.615000+08:00","text":"所以我們一定要更加重視公平招募，也包括降低移工因為來臺而背債、欠債的狀況。我想……","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T11:51:15.615000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:51:18.016000+08:00","text":"部長，既然你現在這麼說，那就來看看我們的制度。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T11:51:18.937000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:51:37.336000+08:00","text":"當然大品牌，包括美利達、巨大，他們在暫扣令實施之後，更加去加強，也就是包括現職、包括新進，完全用零付費政策。","quality":0.891},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T11:51:38.037000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:51:46.224000+08:00","text":"但是我們看到臺灣的產業，中小企業占多數，這一塊政府要怎麼協助？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T11:51:47.245000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:52:02.413000+08:00","text":"大型企業願意努力做，我們給美利達、給巨大讚許；但是本席要跟你討論的是，在臺灣中小企業占九成以上的情況之下，你如何來協助這些產業？","quality":0.948},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T11:52:05.854000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:52:12.596000+08:00","text":"在2月的時候，其實我們也提出了相關的指引，來協助產業辨識相關的風險跟管理風險。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T11:52:12.736000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:52:18.598000+08:00","text":"目前跟經濟部合作的輔導、宣導作法，也正在上路之中。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T11:52:19.858000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:52:42.003000+08:00","text":"再來就是剛才幾個委員也談到了，包括人力仲介經營的方式跟運作的方法上，我們會希望用仲介評鑑的方式來引導，讓大家更重視公平招募，把這部分納為仲介評鑑重要的評鑑跟辨識項目。","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T11:52:45.265000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:52:56.571000+08:00","text":"現在包括跟美方的談判，我們也談到要在三年內必須針對製造業也好，或幾個產業來修改法規。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T11:52:56.831000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:52:57.372000+08:00","text":"為什麼有三年？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T11:52:57.912000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:53:03.555000+08:00","text":"也是剛剛委員講到的，確實有些大廠比較有條件快速調整。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T11:53:04.115000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:53:15.630000+08:00","text":"可是我們有很多中小企業，這些中小企業確實比較需要調適期，在這個調適期要讓他們對於這樣的趨勢跟必要性有一定程度的了解。","quality":0.982},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T11:53:16.071000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:53:23.397000+08:00","text":"同時，政府也不只勞動部，可能包括產業主管機關，也要一直協助大家怎麼在這方面做……","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T11:53:23.637000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:53:26.440000+08:00","text":"你所謂的三年內要怎麼去做？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T11:53:28.726000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:53:40.689000+08:00","text":"我們承諾在三年內要以法規的方式，禁止向產業移工收取仲介費或招募費。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T11:53:40.830000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:53:42.490000+08:00","text":"部長，你講到這個就是重點。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T11:53:42.490000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:54:01.295000+08:00","text":"到目前為止，我們的法令是許可的，所以要跟國際接軌的時候，中小企業沒有辦法有這個能量，我們除了法規、指引，應該要怎麼樣能夠讓中小企業可以承受得住。是。","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T11:54:02.056000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:54:06.037000+08:00","text":"這是第一個，非常的重要，還能夠跟國際接軌。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T11:54:06.037000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:54:12.920000+08:00","text":"因為剛才本席一再強調，我們的量體是以中小企業為多數，就業率也都是在這邊。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T11:54:15.547000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:54:24.594000+08:00","text":"對，所以剛剛跟委員說明的是，其實在這一段調適期裡，我們有非常多的工作必須做。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T11:54:25.215000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:54:35.862000+08:00","text":"甚至也開始有一些企業表達，過去可能很多招募費用是移工來付，接下來如果不行的話，就變成雇主付；還是他們願意現在來跟政府合作，用直聘的方式？","quality":0.984},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T11:54:36.883000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:54:41.846000+08:00","text":"因為直聘現在也變成一個有助於企業降低成本的作法。","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T11:54:42.646000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:54:53.672000+08:00","text":"以前假如招募費用是移工來付，企業不用負擔，他可能對這事情不是那麼重視；可是當未來要由企業、由雇主來負擔的時候，他就開始對這件事情比較重視，因為這就變成他的成本項。","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T11:54:54.873000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:54:56.594000+08:00","text":"對，所以部長，針對這個問題……","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T11:54:56.594000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T11:54:57.594000+08:00","text":"所以我們在法制部分也必須做好強化跟優化。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T11:54:56.594000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:55:07.023000+08:00","text":"我們大家一起看到了這個問題，也希望要加緊腳步，怎麼樣指引，在法規方面怎麼樣協助所有的中小企業、產業。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T11:55:07.023000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T11:55:08.023000+08:00","text":"是、當然。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T11:55:07.023000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:55:10.646000+08:00","text":"因為大家都有這個憂心。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T11:55:13.508000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:55:22.716000+08:00","text":"臺灣跟美國簽了ART之後，也接受強迫勞動產品清單，限制相關商品進口。","quality":0.839},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T11:55:23.036000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:55:27.781000+08:00","text":"依美國海關所公布，目前為止有55個企業跟8個遭確信有強迫勞動狀況的事業。","quality":0.839},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T11:55:35.609000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:55:38.011000+08:00","text":"美國針對強迫勞動的議題，展開了301的調查，經貿辦也預計在4月15日以前要提出書面證詞，4月28日會赴美出席公聽會，力保臺灣產業出口的競爭力。","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T11:55:38.091000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:55:59.425000+08:00","text":"部長，目前為止，政府對於這樣的調查的因應如何？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T11:56:00.066000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:56:03.388000+08:00","text":"因為這個關係整個產業，讓產業非常憂心，請做說明。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T11:56:03.728000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:56:11.512000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，其實我們現在跟經貿辦、跟行政院也一直在準備301調查相關資料的文件……","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T11:56:11.512000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T11:56:12.512000+08:00","text":"對，現在都已經出來了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T11:56:11.872000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:56:13.974000+08:00","text":"現在我們一直在準備，正在準備這件事情。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T11:56:14.594000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:56:17.577000+08:00","text":"所以4月15日以前會提出嗎？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T11:56:17.577000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T11:56:18.577000+08:00","text":"今天已經4月9日了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T11:56:17.577000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:56:37.913000+08:00","text":"對、對，我們一定會提出，這也是為什麼今天在行政院院會已經把禁止扣留勞工相關重要文件的修法草案列為討論案，通過以後，我們就會盡快送到立法院，希望來做審議。","quality":0.681},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T11:56:38.233000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:56:47.777000+08:00","text":"這部分也就是讓美方了解，其實我們對於禁止強迫勞動是有實質作為，不是只有口號，我們是有實質的作為的。","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T11:56:48.997000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:57:00.042000+08:00","text":"這些都是實質的作為，希望這些作為，包括就服法的修法，都是能夠有助於我們在301調查，尤其是針對強迫勞動的檢視。","quality":0.936},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T11:57:00.042000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T11:57:02.063000+08:00","text":"有所協助。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T11:57:02.063000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:57:22.035000+08:00","text":"不只是美方，歐盟預計企業永續盡職調查指令也要在2027年上路，要求企業全面檢視整個供應鏈的人權跟環境風險，那臺灣未來要怎麼建立這個制度？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T11:57:22.616000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:57:34.768000+08:00","text":"要不然我們企業也是非常的憂心，因為到時候可能面臨非常高額的罰款，甚至國際的制裁，所以政府有這個責任，告訴本席，要怎麼協助我們的產業？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T11:57:37.244000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:57:59.670000+08:00","text":"我們先看到美方CBP跟我們貿易談判的部分，確實歐盟這邊也有CSDDD，就是剛才講的盡職調查，盡職調查比較是針對公司；也有FLR，就是禁止強迫勞動商品規章，它比較是針對產品的部分，兩者有它不同著重的重點。","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T11:58:00.171000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:58:11.041000+08:00","text":"的確，我們現在也一直和企業強調，必須看到這些重要的國際貿易夥伴目前都越來越重視，甚至拿出作為，所以我們確實必須要加速。","quality":0.796},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔：對，所以結論就是","start":"2026-04-09T11:58:13.363000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:58:21.731000+08:00","text":"臺灣的產業是以非常精兵的方式在跟世界鏈結，因此，這些企業所憂心的，也是政府的責任。當然。","quality":0.744},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-09T11:58:22.192000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:58:23.553000+08:00","text":"要思考怎麼樣好好的去協助，謝謝。當然。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T11:58:24.053000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T11:58:26.910143+08:00","text":"謝謝楊瓊瓔委員的發言。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T11:58:27.210143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T11:58:30.067286+08:00","text":"接下來請楊曜委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}