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Eats高達60%，而它宣布從7月21號起要調高服務費，而且調漲比率高達2.5%到3%，另外有所謂的抽成天花板35%，我們知道國際上的抽成上限，像美國很多城市都只有15%，我們這個35%的天花板比人家不知道高了多少。","quality":0.775},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-09T11:55:12.069000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:55:24.526000+08:00","text":"現在問題來了，我們最近一直在關心因為整個油氣價格上升，可能造成這些餐飲小吃業的成本提高，對不對？是。","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-09T11:55:24.526000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:55:43.772000+08:00","text":"最近我們擔心電價，還好電價凍漲；另外還擔心天然氣，也就是桶裝瓦斯，這也由我們政府凍漲，這都是由我們政府單位、國營事業來吸收成本。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-09T11:55:45.072000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:56:01.465000+08:00","text":"結果跟這次中東戰事根本無關的因素跑過來了，突然從7月21號他們以所謂的外送專法當作藉口提高了服務費。","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-09T11:56:02.446000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:56:24.714000+08:00","text":"羊毛出在羊身上，所以最後的問題是，第一個他調漲餐飲業的服務費，尤其是很多小吃業者的服務費，最後的代價不是由餐飲業者自己吸收，就是由消費者吸收，所以我想請問公平會有沒有注意到這個問題？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-04-09T11:56:24.714000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:56:46.536000+08:00","text":"這個問題我們有注意到，公平會向來對這些議題的立場是，如果外送平台的漲價行為是涉及到聯合漲價，這個我們會介入；但如果是個別的平台，不管他的理由是外送平台法等等，他基於個別的成本考量，要去做漲價的動作的話，只要市場的競爭還存在，原則上我們會觀察。","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-09T11:56:46.556000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:56:59.085000+08:00","text":"我剛剛講了，他的常用率……像Uber Eats和foodpanda，之前也在我們的努力之下，沒有讓他們合併成功，他們的市占率高達六成到九成，你今天說他們沒有聯合漲價行為，但問題是他的市占率如此之高。","quality":0.876},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-04-09T11:56:59.085000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T11:57:07.528000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告一下，上一個結合案我們之所以禁止，是因為結合以後，市場會只剩下一家，所以大概占九成，目前依這個案子來看，Uber Eats本身漲價，如果另外一家foodpanda沒有漲，對我們來講就是競爭基本上還有存在，當然我們並不是說這個一定都有競爭，我們還是會持續觀察，看看後續有沒有廠商藉由這個機會聯合漲價，把價格調上去。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-09T11:57:07.528000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:57:07.828000+08:00","text":"我覺得你的態度不對。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-09T11:57:34.558000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:57:53.690000+08:00","text":"我們來看下一頁，這個問題當時在總質詢的時候，謝龍介委員曾經問過卓榮泰院長，因為大家都關心這次中東戰事對於我們物價上漲的壓力，所以卓院長說穩定物價優先，不知道公平會是在裝睡還是裝不懂？","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-09T11:57:54.966000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:58:03.488000+08:00","text":"也就是說，現在可能萬物皆漲，還好3月份公布的CPI（消費者物價指數）大概是1.2%，老實講，很多人都在質疑這個數字，3月份怎麼會是1.2%？","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-09T11:58:03.488000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:58:30.640000+08:00","text":"可是外食費漲幅是擴大，而且外食費是連續一直不停地在漲，如果公平會都沒有任何具體的作為，按照主委剛才的回答，那我就擔心了，你的意思是說反正現在只有一家Uber Eats在漲，而foodpanda沒有漲，所以看起來沒有什麼聯合行為。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-09T11:58:30.640000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:58:57.384000+08:00","text":"但是我已經講了，因為這一家的市占率已經非常非常的高，他確實有壟斷的行為，而且他很大膽，一下子調2.5%到3%，他一定會帶動餐飲的物價上升，我覺得公平會真的不能夠再置身事外，你不是局外人。","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-09T11:58:58.585000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:58:59.826000+08:00","text":"因為蔡易餘委員來了，所以我也要趕快說完。","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-09T11:59:03.809000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:59:16.336000+08:00","text":"最後一題也是跟外送平台有關，因為最近的訊息是……我不曉得foodpanda有沒有已經跟公平會提出？","quality":0.911},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-04-09T11:59:16.877000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:59:17.857000+08:00","text":"已經送件了。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-09T11:59:17.857000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T11:59:18.857000+08:00","text":"已經送件？對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-09T11:59:18.738000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:59:36.117000+08:00","text":"好，這是東南亞最大的外送平台Grab要併購foodpanda，foodpanda在去年的時候……後來你們禁止他們結合，就是因為他們的市占率，當然主要來自於Uber Eats的關係，考量到他們兩家的市占率。","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-09T11:59:37.199000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:59:52.615000+08:00","text":"現在Grab最大的股東又是Uber Eats，所以我想請問一下，公平會面對這一場併購案，你們會不會特別的謹慎小心？","quality":0.808},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-09T11:59:53.215000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:59:56.276000+08:00","text":"你們主要的關切點在哪些地方？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-04-09T11:59:56.836000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:00:01.077000+08:00","text":"針對這個案子跟前一個案子，就關切的重點，從公平法的角度是一樣的。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-04-09T12:00:01.077000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:00:23.030000+08:00","text":"不過剛才有跟委員報告，前一個案子結合以後，市占率達九成；而這個案子是另外一個第三家來買第二家，所以基本上短期內市場的結構是一樣，但是委員談到的換人經營背後真正的股東，針對這個部分，我們會重視實質控制力的審查，所以在案件的審查裡面，我們也會去看他背後的股權結構是不是已經達到可以控制整個市場。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-09T12:00:23.030000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:00:24.351000+08:00","text":"所以外界會擔心這是不是特洛伊木馬，看起來是用另外一個包裝……","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-04-09T12:00:26.392000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:00:26.872000+08:00","text":"我們會注意這個實質控制力的問題。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-09T12:00:27.012000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:00:30.313000+08:00","text":"因為這些外送平台關係到太多消費者的權益，所以不管他是漲服務費也好，或者是新的併購案也好，我希望公平會都能夠站在客觀的立場，當然一個是產業發展，另外一個是消費者的權益非常非常的重要……","quality":0.869},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-04-09T12:00:30.313000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T12:00:51.178000+08:00","text":"是，我們會注意。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-09T12:00:51.178000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:01:06.943000+08:00","text":"我們不希望在去年通過的外送平台專法，當時是為了要保障外送平台服務業者以及消費者權益，結果竟然變成他們可以任意漲價的藉口，好不好？","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-04-09T12:01:07.163000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:01:07.643000+08:00","text":"是，委員所提的這個問題我們會關切，我們會謹慎處理。","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-09T12:01:08.143000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T12:01:09.143000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T12:01:09.443000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T12:01:11.443000+08:00","text":"謝謝王鴻薇委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T12:01:11.743000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T12:01:15.171571+08:00","text":"接下來有請蔡易餘委員質詢。","quality":0.167}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}