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我想跟委員報告就是您之前也關心了很多郭爾林地或者是林場的部分都不能領天然災害嘛是我們現在已經把這個二三十年來沒有辦法解決的問題解決了就是郭爾林租地的話你只要保有三成的種樹的部分那其他的作物排除了一些波地有沒有這些超限利用的部分已經可以開放給天然災害的一個申請"},{"start":613.98,"end":616.222,"text":"這個也是你們當初那個那我們真的解決三四十年來沒辦法解決的一個問題沒有錯 保證這請按個讚謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T12:01:26.375000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:01:32.778000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，有請農業部陳部長及公平會陳代理主委。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T12:01:32.778000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T12:01:34.959000+08:00","text":"請部長及陳代理主委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-09T12:01:34.959000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T12:01:37.140000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T12:01:37.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:01:53.557000+08:00","text":"部長，我昨天在嘉義有開一個說明會，當時也有請農業部來，不過昨天沒有請公平會，主要是在討論農業包材的問題。","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T12:01:54.458000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:02:07.662000+08:00","text":"這次因為美伊戰爭影響所及，造成農業包材普遍性的漲價，而且大概都是漲30%，甚至比較嚴重的還漲了50%。","quality":0.86},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T12:02:08.562000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:02:50.046000+08:00","text":"昨天經濟部也有派人來，經濟部說原料事實上不但沒有減，而且現在還加量，也就是很多塑膠原料都有加量，既然都有加量……當然這關乎人民的預期心理，不過普遍看起來，以其他行業來講，生活上我們一天不用塑膠還沒關係，不過農業沒辦法，農業一定就是要用塑膠包材，如果這些塑膠包材沒有減量在供原料的話，那麼漲價這件事就不合理。","quality":0.827},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T12:02:50.687000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:02:57.292000+08:00","text":"所以我想要跟部長及代理主委說，是不是應該要稍微盯一下那些專門賣給農友包材的廠商，問他們為什麼價格會漲到這樣？","quality":0.686},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-09T12:03:09.373000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:04:03.479000+08:00","text":"我跟委員說明，農業包材從田間的套袋到最後採收的塑膠袋或是產品外裝的塑膠袋或紙箱，這個部分我們都已經去確認它的漲幅，但是每一個我們把它換算成產品的時候，它占產品的比例大概是0.02%到0.05%之間，所以相對的它對產品……以米為例好了，米一包2公斤要兩百多元，可是塑膠袋漲價才0.5毛而已，相對漲幅比較低，所以我們也跟業者溝通，用這個數據去呈現，然後他們也承諾不漲價，但是我們會確保量的供應問題，針對量的供應，經濟部也協助有成立一個媒合平台。不是。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T12:04:05.460000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:04:06.961000+08:00","text":"部長，如果只是外包裝而已，你剛才說的是米的外包裝，對不對？是。","quality":0.654},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T12:04:06.961000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:04:18.347000+08:00","text":"那只是外包裝而已，事實上，在整個農業生產的過程，以我們昨天講的絲瓜……","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-09T12:04:19.628000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:04:41.363000+08:00","text":"我是說從田間的套袋一直到最後的產品，這一系列的部分我們都有去算，有時候農民一開始會擔心是不是會漲價，所以他本身就會多訂，也就會多囤，所以會造成一些假性的需求，就是說他先放著，後來變成……","quality":0.774},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T12:04:41.443000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:04:42.344000+08:00","text":"這就像我們說的有時候變成是恐慌嘛！對。","quality":0.588},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T12:04:42.484000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:04:44.026000+08:00","text":"過去買一份，現在買五份，買得比較多了。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-09T12:04:50.933000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:05:06.470000+08:00","text":"我們有跟農民及業者說明，這個東西可能是短時間的漲價，不要去囤貨，因為越囤的話，可能以後降價的時候，反而會更吃虧。","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-09T12:05:06.951000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:05:12.156000+08:00","text":"所以我想我們第一個，確保它的量的穩定跟供應，這是最重要的。好。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T12:05:12.156000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T12:05:13.156000+08:00","text":"不過部長，我現在真的要反映一點。","quality":0},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T12:05:12.877000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:05:44.336000+08:00","text":"對農業來說，農業比較困擾的就是它的成本漲價，是沒有辦法轉嫁或是很難轉嫁給消費者，因為農業基本上還是透過所謂的批發，要透過拍賣市場，所以它的成本沒有辦法轉嫁，所以農民會完全吸收這一些包材漲價後的狀況，就是農民會吸收，這對農民來說相對比較辛苦，我希望部長要去注意這一點，好不好？","quality":0.825},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-09T12:05:44.336000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:05:44.596000+08:00","text":"我了解。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-09T12:05:45.056000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:05:49.197000+08:00","text":"我們會隨時去注意，而且必要的一些協助，我們也會來處理。好。","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T12:05:49.677000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:05:54.438000+08:00","text":"我也想請代理主委，針對農業包材的部分，漲價漲得這麼的可怕，這件事你們是不是要注意一下？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-04-09T12:06:02.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:06:06.282000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，有關塑膠製品的漲價情形，目前我們都有密切在觀察。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-04-09T12:06:07.283000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:06:13.287000+08:00","text":"關於農業包材漲價的部分，我們關切的重點可能還是在於有沒有聯合漲價的情形。","quality":0.853},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-04-09T12:06:14.507000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:06:35.257000+08:00","text":"當然我大概可以理解，委員很關切個別農民對於高價的問題，這個部分從公平會的角度，公平會是一個事後執法機關，我們調查證據來處理，解決農民短期內所面臨到因為供需而失衡的問題，我覺得像產業主管機關，他們透過一些產業的作為，處理速度可能會比公平會要來得快，包含農業部的積極作為……","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T12:06:36.157000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:06:40.019000+08:00","text":"沒關係，事實上公平會很多事情很簡單，有時候你們只是一個……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-04-09T12:06:40.019000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T12:06:41.019000+08:00","text":"是，我們會有……","quality":0},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","s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2:10:46.547000+08:00","text":"好，可能最近要安排一下……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-09T12:10:46.547000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T12:10:47.547000+08:00","text":"好，了解。","quality":0},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T12:10:46.727000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:11:03.296000+08:00","text":"因為這個有時間限制，到明年的3月，續辦清理租約的申請就結束了，所以現在大家會急、會趕，你們可能要趕快去協助他們，讓他們的租約可以繼續維持，這樣好不好？了解。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-09T12:11:03.496000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:11:27.980000+08:00","text":"我順便跟委員報告，就是您之前也關心很多國有林地或者是林場的部分都不能領天然災害救助，我們現在已經把這個二、三十年來沒有辦法解決的問題解決了，就是國有林租地的話，只要保有三成種樹的部分，其他的作物排除了一些山坡地超限利用的部分，已經開放可以申請天然災害救助，這個部分……","quality":0.855},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T12:11:27.980000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T12:11:28.980000+08:00","text":"這一項很好，部長，這一項要給你按個讚啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T12:11:28.980000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T12:11:29.980000+08:00","text":"對我們這個……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-09T12:11:27.980000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:11:29.101000+08:00","text":"這個部分也是蔡委員當初關心的，我們真的解決了三、四十年來沒辦法解決的一個問題。","quality":0.694},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T12:11:29.101000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:11:29.702000+08:00","text":"沒有錯。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T12:11:30.082000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:11:30.222000+08:00","text":"部長，這個要給你按個讚，謝謝。謝謝。","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T12:11:30.722000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T12:11:33.007714+08:00","text":"好，謝謝蔡易餘委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T12:11:33.307714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T12:11:39.022000+08:00","text":"我們中午不休息，延長開會時間至議程處理完畢。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T12:11:39.322000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T12:11:43.893429+08:00","text":"接下來林楚茵、林楚茵，林楚茵委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T12:11:44.193429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T12:11:47.907714+08:00","text":"賴士葆、賴士葆，賴士葆委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T12:11:48.207714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T12:11:51.922000+08:00","text":"林倩綺、林倩綺，林倩綺委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T12:11:52.222000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T12:11:55.936286+08:00","text":"陳超明、陳超明，陳超明委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T12:11:56.236286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T12:11:59.950571+08:00","text":"伍麗華、伍麗華，伍麗華委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T12:12:00.250571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T12:12:03.964857+08:00","text":"陳清龍、陳清龍，陳清龍委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T12:12:04.264857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T12:12:08.264857+08:00","text":"接下來我們有請葉元之委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}