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我們體適能好那你們運動部有沒有找計專校園來合作有沒有考慮過"},{"start":285.013,"end":292.777,"text":"現在跟我們申請相關的一個包括一般的檢測站或是銀髮體適能檢測站的有包括大川校園是的這個跟部長說您這個署長很不錯我上週去教文考察的時候呢他特別到我們屏東一個大仁科大他們也專門做一個簡報然後呢他們這個簡報就說他們希望在屏北地區設一個國民運動休閒中心但是署長說我們是不是先來做體適能當下學校有時候非常好來往下看"},{"start":311.906,"end":334.946,"text":"所以在季專校園他是提供檢測體適能的方案那個學校也提出來了他們可以運用穿戴式的檢測數據建立個人專屬健康存摺精準體態的檢測提供客觀的身體數據請問一下如果這個學校在屏東他已經提出這樣的想法了你們運動部會不會要提擬一個推廣計畫接受季專校園的提案來協助我們推廣這樣的一個計畫呢"},{"start":338.462,"end":364.898,"text":"報告委員目前大仁科大這部分是還沒有跟我們這邊來提出申請不過因為他具備了相關的一個條件是不是我們這邊也輔導大仁科大這邊是的那個跟我們來提出相關的一個申請設置部長我是希望你們要一個推廣計畫善用這些公私立的計專校院而且你們有沒有建立一個受理提案的標準告訴這些公私立的計專校院可以來提案有沒有一個標準審查標準有沒有有"},{"start":366.148,"end":388.195,"text":"書長有嗎?有,我們有設立相關的一個審查標準,這部分當下都有提供給大家。謝謝,所以部長,您這個部署不錯,來,下次有機會給他一個調升一下,往下看,加薪啊,口頭加免都可以。運動部是不是來擬定一個體適能檢測的推廣計畫,把納入公私利率的計算效應來合作,要不要?可以嗎?"},{"start":389.406,"end":406.539,"text":"有可以另外你們也已經成立了一個建立了一個受理提案的標準是不是趕快的把這樣的提案標準趕快的廣為跟這些大專校院宣導請他們來提案幫助我們運動部來推動全面運動好不好好可以喔那就謝謝部長跟署長謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-09T12:05:51.254000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:05:51.374000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-09T12:05:51.534000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:05:55.536000+08:00","text":"主席、在場委員先進、列席政府機關首長、官員、會場工作夥伴、媒體記者女士先生。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-09T12:05:56.096000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:06:01.078000+08:00","text":"有請運動部李部長跟全民運動署房署長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T12:06:01.078000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:06:01.939000+08:00","text":"有請部長跟署長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T12:06:06.523000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:06:06.583000+08:00","text":"委員午安。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-09T12:06:06.583000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T12:06:10.564000+08:00","text":"部長好、署長好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-09T12:06:10.564000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T12:06:14.545000+08:00","text":"現在有愈來愈多人很欣賞你、且愈來愈欣賞了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-09T12:06:14.545000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T12:06:18.526000+08:00","text":"關於全民運動競技與體適能並重，社區扎根借重技專校院專業，我們來看一下。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-09T12:06:18.526000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T12:06:22.507000+08:00","text":"請教部長，您是不是覺得我們的教育目標在過去是升學競爭、現在是適性發展？","quality":0},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T12:06:22.507000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T12:06:26.488000+08:00","text":"我個人認為現在是適性發展。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-09T12:06:26.488000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:06:28.969000+08:00","text":"因為過去人口多，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-09T12:06:28.969000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:06:37.052000+08:00","text":"所以升學要競賽，刺激大家讀書，讀書就是追求排名，接受優勝者的光環。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-09T12:06:37.052000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:06:40.254000+08:00","text":"可是現在少子女化了，我們的教育目標開始強調什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-09T12:06:40.254000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:06:44.475000+08:00","text":"適性發展、多元入學，強調的是追求自我突破跟成就。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-09T12:06:45.276000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:06:49.818000+08:00","text":"當升學不再只是考試競賽，您認為全民運動的願景有沒有什麼轉變？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T12:06:51.045000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:07:03.078000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們當然希望全民運動的比例還有規律運動的人口可以上升，人口上升了，自然我們因運動而身體健康……","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-09T12:07:03.338000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:07:05.821000+08:00","text":"運動的風氣、健康提高，對，沒有錯。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-09T12:07:05.821000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:07:08.163000+08:00","text":"運動的目的在過去好像是比賽求勝，對不對？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-09T12:07:08.163000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:07:19.333000+08:00","text":"所以學校辦理比賽，刺激運動，追求排名，享受贏的感覺，現在我看很多年輕朋友投入自我鍛鍊，他要追求的是體態健康管理，享受健康美，對不對？","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-09T12:07:19.333000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:07:26.859000+08:00","text":"所以過去我們靠競技比賽來帶動運動風氣，現在則是運動促進身體健康、心情愉悅，是不是這樣子？","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-09T12:07:27.319000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:07:30.962000+08:00","text":"我們現在運動追求的是促進身體健康、心情愉悅嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-09T12:07:31.482000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:07:32.663000+08:00","text":"那你覺得指標是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T12:07:32.663000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:07:46.175000+08:00","text":"指標是運動可以增加身體健康，其實我自己在假日的時候，也看到非常多民眾會去健身房運動，真的覺得規律運動的比例……","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-09T12:07:46.755000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:07:54.278000+08:00","text":"答案就在你的右後方，就是你們房署長告訴我的，他說我們自我鍛鍊的指標就是要提升體適能，我也滿認同的。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳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們可以運用穿戴式的裝置檢測數據，建立個人專屬健康存摺，精準體態的檢測，提供客觀的身體數據。","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-09T12:11:01.575000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:11:13.926000+08:00","text":"請問如果這個在屏東的學校已經提出這樣的想法了，你們運動部會不會接受技專校院的提案，來協助我們推廣這樣的一個計畫呢？","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"房署長瑞文","start":"2026-04-09T12:11:17.462000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:11:30.069000+08:00","text":"報告委員，目前大仁科大還沒有就這個部分跟我們提出申請，不過因為它具備了相關的條件，是不是容我們輔導大仁科大跟我們提出相關的申請和設置。","quality":0.873},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-09T12:11:30.430000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:11:35.393000+08:00","text":"部長，我是希望你們要有一個推廣計畫，善用這些公私立的技專校院。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-09T12:11:36.333000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:11:41.576000+08:00","text":"另外，你們有沒有建立一個受理提案的標準，告訴這些公私立的技專校院可以來提案？","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-09T12:11:42.377000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:11:43.598000+08:00","text":"有沒有一個審查標準？","quality":1},{"speaker":"房署長瑞文","start":"2026-04-09T12:11:45.588000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:11:52.310000+08:00","text":"有，我們有設立相關的審查標準，這部分那時候當下都有提供給大家。","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-09T12:11:52.750000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:11:52.750000+08:00","text":"很好，謝謝！","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-09T12:11:52.750000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:12:00.173000+08:00","text":"所以部長您這個部屬不錯，有機會給他調升一下，加薪或口頭嘉勉都可以。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-09T12:12:01.133000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:12:06.695000+08:00","text":"運動部是不是來擬定一個體適能檢測的推廣計畫，納入公私立的技專校院來合作。","quality":0.853},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-09T12:12:07.155000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:12:09.367000+08:00","text":"可以嗎？可以。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-09T12:12:09.787000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:12:22.236000+08:00","text":"另外，你們也已經建立了一個受理提案的標準，那是不是趕快把這樣的提案標準跟這些大專校院廣為宣導，請他們來提案，幫助我們運動部來推動全民運動。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-09T12:12:22.236000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:12:22.777000+08:00","text":"好不好？好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-09T12:12:23.297000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:12:23.417000+08:00","text":"可以吧！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-09T12:12:25.098000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:12:25.539000+08:00","text":"謝謝部長跟署長。謝謝！","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T12:12:26.039000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T12:12:27.181857+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T12:12:27.481857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T12:12:28.910429+08:00","text":"謝謝鍾委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T12:12:29.210429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T12:12:32.639000+08:00","text":"下一位質詢的是王鴻薇委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}