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我看到美方強調這個無法聯繫外界是強迫勞動的一個核心的指標就是說目前1135艘風險漁船中只有183艘"},{"start":651.027,"end":659.854,"text":"安裝了Wi-Fi那剩下952艘將近84%的漁船都是在海上通訊黑洞你要如何向美方證明說船上沒有強迫勞動"},{"start":662.508,"end":682.602,"text":"跟委員報告因為強迫勞動就誠如洪部長講的其實他有各項指標啦我看到你的計畫只有300艘要裝設那這代表預設有超過800艘的漁船不需要通訊設備那你們同意美國的手伸這麼長他如果到時候要進來檢查這種而且你們這種做法有符合美國的標準嗎"},{"start":684.091,"end":709.307,"text":"跟委員報告就是其實我們現行零有這個遠洋作業許可應該是940幾艘啦那美國我們在跟他雙邊諮商裡面他對於Wi-Fi這一件事要普及化這一件事其實他給我們的目標是希望逐年提升是三年內要達到300艘但是我想這不是我們不會把這個當作是一個"},{"start":712.129,"end":738.994,"text":"一個我只會把它當成低標我們會來努力要來擴充我們超過300艘就對了對對對我們要努力要達成絕對要超過這300艘多久的時間我們希望是起碼兩這三美國給我們的要求是三年內要到300艘但是我們自我要求我兩年內我就要達到300艘啦齁那三年的部分甚至400我們都會來努力是好謝謝部長謝謝"},{"start":743.175,"end":746.173,"text":"謝謝邱勝軍委員的發言接下來請王安祥委員發言"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-09T12:09:41.297000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:09:41.557000+08:00","text":"主席好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-09T12:09:41.677000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:09:41.777000+08:00","text":"請洪部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T12:09:41.777000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:09:41.837000+08:00","text":"有請洪部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T12:09:41.837000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:09:41.877000+08:00","text":"邱委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-09T12:09:41.957000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:09:41.977000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-09T12:09:42.078000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:09:43.838000+08:00","text":"就剛剛楊曜委員所講的，我們現在定調2026年是印度移工元年，現在已經4月了，我想直接問一下，這個元年的時間表，部長會實現嗎？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-09T12:09:43.838000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:09:44.039000+08:00","text":"還是會跳票？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T12:10:09.813000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:10:43.187000+08:00","text":"在印度移工的部分，其實今年1月我有指派次長帶發展署同仁到印度進行相關的了解和訪問，希望能夠把這裡面可能會涉及到的一些行政事務、事務性的部分，怎麼跟印方目前的行政體系做更進一步的對接，我們目前正在進行相關程序的推動之中。","quality":0.863},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-09T12:10:44.208000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:10:46.650000+08:00","text":"好，你說試辦引進1,000人，對不對？對。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-09T12:10:48.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:10:59.777000+08:00","text":"我手上資料是說現在印度密索藍邦1月份有三百多人有意願，預計3月就完成初審，所以現在實際初審的人有多少？","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T12:11:00.677000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:11:14.195000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，現在印度特定的一些邦已經表達他們的意願，但是後續程序也要看我們把相關的準備工作做完以後……","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-09T12:11:14.476000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:11:14.496000+08:00","text":"現在有多少人？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-09T12:11:15.378000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:11:15.618000+08:00","text":"三百多人有嗎？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T12:11:17.682000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:11:19.284000+08:00","text":"後面還要把……","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-09T12:11:19.424000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:11:21.065000+08:00","text":"所以現在還沒有正確數字就對了？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T12:11:21.566000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:11:21.686000+08:00","text":"還沒有。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-09T12:11:25.269000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:11:32.495000+08:00","text":"剛剛部長有提到，1月9號次長陳明仁跟陳牧民大使率團10個人去那邊，他們去幹嘛？","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-09T12:11:32.796000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:11:33.496000+08:00","text":"是去旅遊還是……","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T12:11:34.417000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:11:36.779000+08:00","text":"當然不是旅遊，他們是公務……","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-09T12:11:36.779000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T12:11:37.779000+08:00","text":"結果呢？","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T12:11:36.859000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:11:40.682000+08:00","text":"就是他們在看，包括很多臺商在印度……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-09T12:11:40.682000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T12:11:41.682000+08:00","text":"3月就過去了？","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T12:11:41.242000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:11:50.588000+08:00","text":"使用印度勞工的狀況，也包括去了解他們行政體系目前的一些現況，比較知道我們要跟他們銜接的話，要用怎麼樣的銜接方式會比較順利。","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-09T12:11:51.789000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:11:53.510000+08:00","text":"已經過了3個月，到現在還沒有結果嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T12:11:54.831000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:11:55.832000+08:00","text":"已經去回來了。對啊！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-09T12:11:55.832000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T12:11:56.832000+08:00","text":"你們沒有繼續追蹤？","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","s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實質的作為？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T12:14:55.135000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:14:56.355000+08:00","text":"我們認為今年應該是有機會的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-09T12:14:56.635000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:14:58.036000+08:00","text":"今年會有多少人？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-09T12:14:58.316000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:15:01.017000+08:00","text":"就是你講的1,000人？5%？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-09T12:15:01.017000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:15:01.177000+08:00","text":"或更高？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T12:15:03.137000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:15:04.278000+08:00","text":"這也要看企業的需求。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-09T12:15:06.247000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:15:23.094000+08:00","text":"我現在有一個疑問，現在印度方已經免了保證金這些，但我們只提5%，約300人左右，其他部分怎麼辦？","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-09T12:15:23.094000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:15:26.235000+08:00","text":"我們還是透過仲介嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T12:15:27.335000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:15:27.715000+08:00","text":"300人不是那5%啦！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T12:15:30.256000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:15:40.438000+08:00","text":"我們現在希望，如果要引進的話，直聘的部分是相對比較優先的，所以我們希望能夠超過所謂的5%。","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-09T12:15:40.978000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:15:44.259000+08:00","text":"如果是這樣的話，我們面對美國的307條款，就是關稅法那個部分……是301。301條款。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-09T12:15:44.719000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:15:45.619000+08:00","text":"這部分我們能夠通過嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-09T12:15:45.619000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:15:46.299000+08:00","text":"就是我們對美國的部分。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T12:15:56.145000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:16:14.860000+08:00","text":"第一個是和美國的部分，現在關於301的調查正在進行，我們都在準備給美方的文件，所以我們也必須把目前的作為，包括我們的指引，包括我們的宣導、輔導，包括現在對就服法的修法等等，這都有助於讓美方確認我們在301調查這方面的努力。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-09T12:16:15.040000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:16:16.001000+08:00","text":"我個人認為啦！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-09T12:16:16.001000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:16:22.145000+08:00","text":"這一次在301條款裡面，就是我們……301調查。對。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-09T12:16:22.145000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:16:26.646000+08:00","text":"這是臺灣最好的翻身機會，我們應該好好把握這一次的機會。","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T12:16:26.646000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:16:27.366000+08:00","text":"一定要。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-09T12:16:28.466000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:16:49.458000+08:00","text":"因為我剛剛也看到、聽到幾個委員在講，像剛剛講的，美國對巨大暫扣令的部分現在怎麼處理？","quality":0.816},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-09T12:16:53.440000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:17:05.746000+08:00","text":"其實巨大公司已經說明，他們已經和美方的CBP取得共識，目前正在確認提出的具體改善狀況、相關的後續稽核，和一些文件上的審閱。好。","quality":0.807},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-09T12:17:05.966000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:17:07.747000+08:00","text":"我請教農業部。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王署長茂城","start":"2026-04-09T12:17:18.732000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:17:20.593000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-09T12:17:20.593000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:17:26.075000+08:00","text":"賴清德總統說要成立300億元的農安基金，它的本質到底是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-09T12:17:26.075000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:17:28.556000+08:00","text":"是要用在哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王署長茂城","start":"2026-04-09T12:17:28.556000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:17:39.421000+08:00","text":"農安基金主要是針對這一次的臺美關稅，不管是進口、出口，這是屬於市場章的部分，就是我們農林漁牧產業受到衝擊需要協助的部分。","quality":0.891},{"speaker":"王署長茂城","start":"2026-04-09T12:17:44.983000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:17:55.926000+08:00","text":"這個關稅裡面還有所謂的市場章和勞動章的相關規範，環境章當然就是涉及有沒有非法捕魚等環境保護的部分。","quality":0.894},{"speaker":"王署長茂城","start":"2026-04-09T12:17:56.946000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:18:16.191000+08:00","text":"勞動章對我們的漁業影響比較大，因為勞動章裡面要求，比如我們在修法三年內，要讓我們境外僱用的這些外籍船員勞動權益等同本國人，要有相當。","quality":0.984},{"speaker":"王署長茂城","start":"2026-04-09T12:18:16.191000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:18:32.159000+08:00","text":"所以農安基金是總統特別支持我們的農業，因為在這次關稅受到衝擊，後續我們要整體提升產業的競爭力，給予的一些產業的支持措施。對。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-09T12:18:32.159000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:18:36.962000+08:00","text":"農安基金的核心功能，就是為了救助那些受進口損害的農民嘛！是。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-09T12:18:39.024000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:18:44.72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Fi？是。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-09T12:20:30.688000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:20:37.854000+08:00","text":"剩下952艘，將近84%的漁船都是海上通訊黑洞，你要如何向美方證明船上沒有強迫勞動？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王署長茂城","start":"2026-04-09T12:20:41.169000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:20:45.792000+08:00","text":"因為強迫勞動就誠如洪部長講的，其實它有各項指標啦！","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-09T12:20:45.932000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:20:57.320000+08:00","text":"我看到你們的計畫只有300艘要裝設，這代表預設超過800艘漁船不需要通訊設備，你們同意美國的手伸這麼長，如果他們到時候要進來檢查呢？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-09T12:20:58.921000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:21:00.602000+08:00","text":"而且你們這種做法有符合美國的標準嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王署長茂城","start":"2026-04-09T12:21:03.212000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:21:08.095000+08:00","text":"其實我們現行領有遠洋作業許可的，應該是九百四十幾艘！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"王署長茂城","start":"2026-04-09T12:21:10.517000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:21:35.650000+08:00","text":"我們在和美國做雙邊諮商時，他們對於Wi Fi要普及化這件事，其實給我們的目標是希望逐年提升，三年內要達到300艘，但是我們只會把它當成低標，我們會努力擴充……","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-09T12:21:36.430000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:21:37.950000+08:00","text":"要超過300艘就對了？對。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"王署長茂城","start":"2026-04-09T12:21:37.950000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:21:40.271000+08:00","text":"我們要努力達成，絕對要超過300艘，我們不……","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-09T12:21:40.431000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:21:41.871000+08:00","text":"多久的時間？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王署長茂城","start":"2026-04-09T12:21:44.812000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:21:56.074000+08:00","text":"美國給我們的要求是三年內要達到300艘，但是我們自我要求兩年內就要達到300艘，三年內甚至要達到400艘，我們會努力。","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-09T12:21:56.754000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:21:56.994000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝部長、署長。謝謝。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"王署長茂城","start":"2026-04-09T12:22:01.175000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:22:01.175000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T12:22:01.175000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:22:02.583000+08:00","text":"謝謝邱鎮軍委員的發言。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T12:22:02.885000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:22:04.153000+08:00","text":"接下來請王安祥委員發言。","quality":1}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}