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就是說也是希望五十五十的比例啦"},{"start":226.167,"end":246.583,"text":"那如果地方政府沒有太大問題的話,因為這個您剛講的,它是屬於比較多的案量我們要一個一個弄清楚再處理,所以是麻煩一下好,那沒問題那我們多一點時間來處理那剛剛那個案的話,一個禮拜你有沒有告訴委員好,這個我們弄一個禮拜啦,那下面那一個可不可以一個月之內一個月之內"},{"start":250.192,"end":260.816,"text":"只要符合標準的話我們會告訴委員什麼時候一個月內一個月內好就盡快啦因為這其實就是Routine的這個入口的這個改善其實應該沒有多大的問題那我想說這個選區裡面的一些"},{"start":266.258,"end":285.811,"text":"建設那除非有預算有被擋如果預算有被擋那有中央有補助地方當然我們希望地方會出啦我們就按照規定按照比例的補助比例來支付啦謝謝我們支持我們會來努力那我再問一下部長就是說我查了一下就是到今年的這個3月底地方的提案"},{"start":287.112,"end":310.864,"text":"有94件這個有關這個人行道的這個改善你們這個計畫但是呢設計施工中呢有75件呢都目前都還卡住啦那只有19件呢打標那我的意思是說這個我們在整個審核的過程當中有沒有什麼比較問題是出現在哪裡那有沒有什麼比較可以"},{"start":311.605,"end":325.818,"text":"快速審查的例如像這個綠色通道的這部分呢能夠來做審查啦因為有時候就是地方會覺得說那為什麼會卡關卡的比較久來這是交通部來市長嗎還是誰請那個公路局林副局長"},{"start":333.604,"end":352.05,"text":"跟委員報告那個人行道對主要是其實是用地最困難處理那這個部分就是目前它還新北市的部分都還沒完工都還在施工當中這卡在是還沒有完工那還是說在設計的時候就出現問題勒"},{"start":353.447,"end":375.381,"text":"他有的是設計其實有些地方溝通其實在雖然說沒有用地上沒有問題可是在施工上其實還是要很多溝通因為還是有民眾會反映有些意見所以他有些工企就會因此就會那副局長你的意思是說這前面我們審核的過程沒有問題是"},{"start":376.441,"end":404.704,"text":"後續審核過了後續的施工的過程當中溝通的問題嗎還是怎麼樣是這部分嗎是因為我們甚至有的縣市政府有花包完然後地方反彈以後再測案的就把它除有啦我看比例不高啦不高是不高啦那我的意思是說那像這個94件裡面新北市有佔了幾案三案三案是不是那三案現在是溝通協調的問題就對了"},{"start":405.936,"end":427.666,"text":"他其實就有的部分其實也一直在施工也一直在我們每個案子大概審查時間大概是多久我們中央一個案子他申請以後大概應該到合定大概半年左右就完成也就是說我們剛剛跟國路署一樣是分了上半年審已經下半年審其實這個可以說成每季每季啦"},{"start":428.533,"end":457.54,"text":"我們收案是一直在收我們公路級的部分是收案是一直在收那我的意思是說合的話可以按計不用按半年半年啦時間是可以再加快啦因為這個大家都很關心的啊好不好你們想一下那流程如果本來是半年半年可不可以按計一年四季來做審查然後能夠合就趕快合因為我們其實還是會看預算的額度啦那當然預算也是啦也是一個考量的因素啊但是先合下去那預算大家中央跟地方再來想辦法啊"},{"start":458.781,"end":467.654,"text":"因為怕沒有預算合了對地方會造成困擾至少不要說是卡在中央的審查啦是 好不好好 謝謝部長 謝謝市長"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-09T10:34:15.698000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:34:17.664000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，請劉部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T10:34:17.664000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:34:17.824000+08:00","text":"麻煩劉部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-09T10:34:17.824000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:34:26.775000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-09T10:34:26.775000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:34:28.656000+08:00","text":"部長好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-09T10:34:28.656000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:35:16.435000+08:00","text":"針對今天這個「永續提升人行安全計畫」，我查了一下，在我的三重選區，目前按照這個計畫完工的工程有五項，包含最近完工的永福國小、忠孝路一段、龍濱路兩側人行道改善、新北大橋機車道改善工程、新北高中人行道改善工程，還有三重修德國小與明志國中的人行道改善工程，看得出來是以學校附近的通學道為主，我覺得這是相當正確的方向，包含新北市政府工務局都有提出，包含內政部國土署也都有審核。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-09T10:35:17.615000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:36:02.289000+08:00","text":"不過，我看了一下目前新北市養工處再提報上去的案子，在三重區有兩案，一案是三重區龍門路雙號側人行道改善工程，另一個是在第20項，即新北市易肇事路口、高風險路廊及路口行人安全設施改善計畫，在此我想請部長協助，因為龍門路現在單號側已經做好了，但雙號側還沒有做好，新北市政府也已經提報到國土署，這個案子內政部能不能來協助？","quality":0.811},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-09T10:36:02.649000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:36:04.931000+08:00","text":"不然兩邊的居民都說怎麼這邊有做，那邊沒有做，能不能一起做？","quality":0.654},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-09T10:36:08.504000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:36:16.494000+08:00","text":"謝謝李委員，李委員多次參與會勘，提出非常好的見解，也謝謝委員跟地方民眾的溝通，提供內政部很多的參考。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-09T10:36:17.215000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:36:25.324000+08:00","text":"這案是去年10月由新北養工處報上來的，屬於競爭型補助計畫，目前內政部在審核當中……","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-09T10:36:25.324000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:36:28.465000+08:00","text":"對，我知道。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-09T10:36:28.465000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:36:44.269000+08:00","text":"我們會儘速跟委員報告審核結束的時間，我回去也會查一下現在審核的內容到底出現什麼狀況，如果還需要跟地方民眾溝通，也會請李委員幫忙，因為我看你前幾次的溝通結果非常好，我們會繼續……","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-09T10:36:44.569000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:36:47.509000+08:00","text":"應該是沒有什麼狀況，現在就只欠東風啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-09T10:36:48.389000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:36:48.389000+08:00","text":"不會啦！","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-09T10:36:48.630000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:36:50.870000+08:00","text":"新北市政府還蠻有錢的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-09T10:36:50.890000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:36:53.811000+08:00","text":"對，當然我們新北市政府會出，但因為這有中央，也有地方……對、對。","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-09T10:36:54.911000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:37:00.112000+08:00","text":"我的意思是，單號側已經做好了，雙號側沒有做，感覺怪怪的，所以這部分……50。","quality":0.586},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-09T10:37:05.114000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:37:07.635000+08:00","text":"對，如果中央有核定的話，我相信新北市政府也會出錢。","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-09T10:37:08.055000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:37:11.976000+08:00","text":"好，我們會來積極辦理，審核的結果也會儘速告訴委員。好啊！","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-09T10:37:13.137000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:37:14.517000+08:00","text":"大概什麼時候會知道結果？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-09T10:37:18.344000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:37:22.309000+08:00","text":"這樣子好不好，一個禮拜內告訴委員答案，好不好？好。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-09T10:37:22.589000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:37:25.192000+08:00","text":"因為公文現在跑到哪裡去，我們要追蹤一下。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-09T10:37:25.652000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:37:25.973000+08:00","text":"好，沒關係，這個……","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-09T10:37:25.973000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:37:27.054000+08:00","text":"因為你現在剛剛提出來，我們還來不及查。","quality":0.588},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-09T10:37:27.054000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:37:27.635000+08:00","text":"那請署長回去再查一下。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-09T10:37:27.655000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:37:28.015000+08:00","text":"好，一個禮拜內跟委員報告","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-09T10:37:28.095000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:37:28.135000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-09T10:37:28.135000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:37:28.215000+08:00","text":"那第20項呢？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-09T10:37:36.946000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:37:42.833000+08:00","text":"這個其實各區或各縣市政府都會有，這一項是不是也請內政部協助？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-09T10:37:43.434000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:37:45.617000+08:00","text":"委員現在講的是三重區的部分嗎？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-09T10:37:45.617000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:37:45.777000+08:00","text":"對、對，三重。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-09T10:37:46.498000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:37:49.622000+08:00","text":"三重區的部分，我們一併來查看，好不好？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-09T10:37:49.642000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:37:55.008000+08:00","text":"也是一樣，如果地方政府沒有太大問題，希望就是50：50的比例。","quality":0.739},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-09T10:37:55.569000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:38:05.637000+08:00","text":"因為委員剛剛講的是比較多的案量，我們要一個一個弄清楚，所以麻煩給我們多一點時間處理。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-09T10:38:06.117000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:38:08.139000+08:00","text":"剛剛那個案子，我們一個禮拜內會告訴委員。","quality":0.722},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-09T10:38:08.139000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:38:20.914000+08:00","text":"好，龍門路這個案子一個禮拜，那下面那一案可不可以一個月內？","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-09T10:38:20.914000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:38:21.574000+08:00","text":"一個月內？","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-09T10:38:21.574000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:38:22.574000+08:00","text":"好，只要符合標準，我們會在一個月內告訴委員。","quality":0.053},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-09T10:38:21.794000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:38:22.454000+08:00","text":"好，就儘快啦！","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-09T10:38:22.834000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:38:44.145000+08:00","text":"因為這其實就是routine的路口改善工程，應該沒有多大問題，我想選區的一些建設，除非預算有被擋，如果預算沒有被擋，中央有補助，當然我們地方也會出，我們就按照規定、按照補助比例來支出。","quality":0.916},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-09T10:38:44.486000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:38:46.147000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員的支持，我們會來努力。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-09T10:38:46.147000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:38:47.147000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-09T10:38:46.887000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:39:11.821000+08:00","text":"再問部長一個問題，截至今年3月底，核定地方提案有94件，都是有關人行道改善計畫，但在設計施工中卡住的有75件，只有19件達標，我的意思是，在整個審核的過程當中，就是問題出在哪裡？","quality":0.699},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-09T10:39:13.082000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:39:19.726000+08:00","text":"有沒有什麼方法是可以比較快速審查的？","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-09T10:39:20.026000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:39:30.116000+08:00","text":"例如像綠色通道的部分，能夠儘速審查，因為有時候地方會覺得為什麼卡關卡得比較久。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-09T10:39:30.716000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:39:31.877000+08:00","text":"這個請交通部回應。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-09T10:39:31.877000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:39:32.877000+08:00","text":"好，請交通部。","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-04-09T10:39:32.018000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:39:32.818000+08:00","text":"請公路局林副局長說明。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"林副局長聰利","start":"2026-04-09T10:39:40.604000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:39:52.848000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，人行道最主要原因是用地處理因難，目前新北市的部分是還沒有完工，還在施工當中。","quality":0.825},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-09T10:39:55.049000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:39:59.030000+08:00","text":"是卡在還沒有完工還是在設計的時候就出現問題呢？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"林副局長聰利","start":"2026-04-09T10:40:07.291000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:40:17.258000+08:00","text":"雖然用地上沒有問題，可是在施工上其實還是要做很多的溝通，因為還是會有民眾反映一些意見，所以有些工期就會因此……","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-09T10:40:19.219000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:40:27.445000+08:00","text":"副局長，你的意思是說在前面我們審核的過程沒有問題，審核已經過了，是後續在施工的過程當中有溝通的問題嗎？","quality":0.809},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-09T10:40:27.445000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:40:29.046000+08:00","text":"還是怎麼樣？對。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-09T10:40:29.046000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:40:30.287000+08:00","text":"你的意思是說這部分嗎？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"林副局長聰利","start":"2026-04-09T10:40:30.287000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:40:36.792000+08:00","text":"是，甚至有的縣市政府已經完成發包，然後因為地方反彈就撤案了。","quality":0.63},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-09T10:40:38.213000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:40:39.895000+08:00","text":"有啦，不過我看比例不高啦！不高。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-09T10:40:44.138000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:40:47.161000+08:00","text":"在這94件裡面，新北市有占了幾案？3案。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-09T10:40:48.922000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:40:51.684000+08:00","text":"那3個案子現在是溝通、協調的問題就對了？","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"林副局長聰利","start":"2026-04-09T10:40:54.777000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:40:57.358000+08:00","text":"其實也一直在施工、也一直在溝通。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-09T10:40:57.918000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:41:00.079000+08:00","text":"我們中央審查一個案子的時間大概是多久？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"林副局長聰利","start":"2026-04-09T10:41:01.460000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:41:12.725000+08:00","text":"從案子提出申請以後大概半年左右就會完成核定，我們跟國土署一樣是分為上半年審跟下半年審。","quality":0.78},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-09T10:41:12.725000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:41:14.646000+08:00","text":"其實這個可以縮成每季、每季啦！","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"林副局長聰利","start":"2026-04-09T10:41:15.533000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:41:17.053000+08:00","text":"我們公路局收案是一直在收。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-09T10:41:17.193000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:41:25.215000+08:00","text":"我的意思是說可以按季來核，不用半年、半年，時間可以再加快啦！好。","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-09T10:41:26.316000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:41:28.156000+08:00","text":"因為大家對這個都很關心，好不好？好。","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-09T10:41:28.456000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:41:31.337000+08:00","text":"你們想一下那個流程，本來是半年、半年，可不可以按季？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-09T10:41:32.197000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:41:34.257000+08:00","text":"就是一年四季來做審查，然後能夠核就趕快核。","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"林副局長聰利","start":"2026-04-09T10:41:34.718000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:41:36.638000+08:00","text":"好，我們其實還是會看預算的額度。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-09T10:41:37.198000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:41:44.320000+08:00","text":"當然預算也是一個考量的因素，但是先核下去，預算就是中央跟地方大家再來想辦法，好不好？","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"林副局長聰利","start":"2026-04-09T10:41:45.781000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:41:51.369000+08:00","text":"因為我們怕沒有預算，如果核了對地方會造成困擾。","quality":0.762},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-09T10:41:51.369000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:41:54.393000+08:00","text":"至少不要卡在中央的審查，好不好？好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-09T10:41:54.513000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:41:54.654000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝副局長，謝謝部長，謝謝次長。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T10:41:55.154000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:41:57.725429+08:00","text":"好，我們現在休息5分鐘。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T10:41:58.025429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:41:59.168286+08:00","text":"休息（10時42分）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T10:41:59.468286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:42:01.182571+08:00","text":"繼續開會（10時48分）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T10:42:01.482571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:42:04.911143+08:00","text":"好，我們繼續開會，請大家回座。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T10:42:05.211143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:42:08.925429+08:00","text":"我們下一位請林倩綺委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}