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所以你剛才講的這個部分其實這兩照怎麼樣來針對這個路網去做沒有界面中斷的一個連結"},{"start":565.342,"end":577.175,"text":"我想這是未來一個努力的方向這也是我們努力的方向好謝謝那請持續關注一下這件事情那本席的這個辦公室也會跟你們來follow後來的一個接下來的一個進度好不好好沒問題謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-09T10:48:55.860000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:49:09.809000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，本席請內政部劉部長還有今天代表交通部出席的次長。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T10:49:10.389000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:49:10.869000+08:00","text":"那就麻煩部長、次長。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-09T10:49:12.417000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:49:13.657000+08:00","text":"還有國土署的署長，謝謝。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T10:49:13.657000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:49:13.677000+08:00","text":"麻煩蔡署長。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-09T10:49:14.458000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:49:40.604000+08:00","text":"部長、次長還有署長，本席今天要來跟你們討論非機動運具的整體交通環境問題，我這邊有一個基本的數據，就是113年民眾日常使用運具的調查，非機動運具的市占率大概是12.8%；步行占了9.9%；自行車只有2.7%，相較於111年，自行車的使用比率也降低了。","quality":0.822},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-09T10:49:40.664000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:49:43.424000+08:00","text":"這個現象滿值得警惕的，因為我們整個政策長期要來推動綠色的運輸，結果實際的使用比率卻沒有明顯的提升，甚至還下滑。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-09T10:50:01.728000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:50:09.894000+08:00","text":"本席看到這樣的問題，我認為最主要應該是整體環境的不安全導致民眾沒有辦法使用。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-09T10:50:10.454000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:50:17.299000+08:00","text":"所以本席今天要針對兩個部分來討論，一個是都會區，另外一個是本席來自的原鄉。","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-09T10:50:17.299000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:50:29.588000+08:00","text":"在都會區的很多幹道，自行車道跟汽車道混用的情形很普遍，在交通流量很大的時段，自行車跟大型車共用其實是危機四伏。","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-09T10:50:30.728000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:50:49.600000+08:00","text":"在人行環境這個部分，很多都市交通道路的人行道系統也不完整，常常會被占用或者是中斷，行人會被迫走在車道的邊緣，人車對交通道路的使用比例不符安全性的要求。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-09T10:50:50.480000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:51:01.842000+08:00","text":"所以本席要請教內政部的國土署，目前在都市道路規劃跟設計的規範當中，人本交通政策是怎麼樣跟地方政府來合作？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-09T10:51:02.523000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:51:06.563000+08:00","text":"怎麼樣來區分跟改善優先順序？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-09T10:51:07.023000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:51:09.804000+08:00","text":"為什麼我們還是會在主要幹道上常常看到這樣的問題？","quality":0.783},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-09T10:51:14.845000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:51:20.449000+08:00","text":"在偏鄉這個部分，關於花東原鄉部落的聯外道路，本席不僅在這邊，其實在其他的委員會也都有提到這個問題，本席常常徒步通行一些路段，過去在國外我也常常這樣子走了千里，我發現臺灣在整個道路連結性系統的規劃可能還需要再提升友善程度。","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-09T10:51:39.481000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:51:41.783000+08:00","text":"這是長期的結構性問題，其實我們在整個交通道路的規劃上就是有這種長期結構性問題的限制，那我們怎麼樣把比較弱勢路人的需求也能夠納進去？","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-09T10:51:42.124000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:52:18.204000+08:00","text":"本席實地走訪了很多在原鄉的道路，其實常常都還是以動力車為主軸，路幅也比較偏向汽機車的使用，人行的空間跟自行車的空間往往都會被擠到貼近山壁或水溝邊緣，這個部分到底要怎麼樣去突破？","quality":0.928},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-09T10:52:19.184000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:52:28.787000+08:00","text":"本席在這邊要請教交通部跟國土署，對花東原鄉聯外道路是不是有一些專案性的安全改善計畫？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-09T10:52:30.088000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:52:34.770000+08:00","text":"或者還是被列為一般公路來處理，沒有辦法依照實際的情境來做調整？","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-09T10:52:39.952000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:52:49.780000+08:00","text":"第一個，全國性的人行與自行車安全提升計畫目前是比較零散的做還是有整體通盤性的規劃或改善？","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-09T10:52:50.401000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:52:55.805000+08:00","text":"第二個部分是有沒有全面來檢討都會區幹道自行車跟車道混用的問題？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-09T10:52:57.266000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:52:58.627000+08:00","text":"本席希望有一個具體的時程。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-09T10:52:59.508000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:53:04.932000+08:00","text":"第三個部分是在花東原鄉地區有沒有專案型的道路安全改善方案？","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-09T10:53:05.813000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:53:15.820000+08:00","text":"對於人行道、自行車空間還有汽車通行之優先順序整體改善的部分能不能做提升？","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-09T10:53:18.642000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:53:24.025000+08:00","text":"請三個部會對本席做比較具體一點的回應，不要只是原則性的，謝謝。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"蔡署長長展","start":"2026-04-09T10:53:25.245000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:54:00.890000+08:00","text":"我先跟委員報告在道路裡面的人行空間這個部分，在整個計畫裡面的優先推動是屬於車站、學校以及商圈，就是在都市計畫裡面這些人口比較密集的地方，必須要就一些人行空間的部分優先推動，所以從113年開始的計畫裡面，縣市政府都有提相關的計畫來國土署這邊做審議，我們有列了一些相關的優先順序，每個縣市政府都依照實際上必須要去做的擬一個計畫，然後中央這邊才去做補助，這是整個計畫施行的重點。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"蔡署長長展","start":"2026-04-09T10:54:01.791000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:54:30.093000+08:00","text":"另外，委員問有沒有要在什麼時間達成什麼，對這個部分我們還沒有去擬定在哪一年一定要做到什麼，我們現在都是依照地方的需求，對這些需求其實會滾動檢討，因為這些案子的推動不是單純一個工程界面，必須要去整合很多的部分，包括學校、周邊民眾、商圈等很多的相關意見，還有交通局、警察局、公路局，所以它是一個整體性的計畫。","quality":0.891},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-09T10:54:30.693000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:54:36.817000+08:00","text":"你講的這個部分，其實有很多的細節，包括相關的單位跟人。對。","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-09T10:54:37.797000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:55:15.157000+08:00","text":"本席在這邊要提醒一點，你們在一個計畫的施行上也要提醒各縣市政府整個系統的連結，剛才本席也有談到整個人行空間的系統性連結有斷點，本席有實地走過一些地方，我記得我在高雄走過一條要到一座橋的道路，我就找不到人行道，我覺得在都會跟原鄉都有找不到人行道這樣的問題，所以在計畫的施行上你們是不是應該把這個部分列為各縣市政府在提報時需要注意的重點，好不好？","quality":0.802},{"speaker":"蔡署長長展","start":"2026-04-09T10:55:15.157000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:55:15.957000+08:00","text":"這個我們會特別注意。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-09T10:55:16.598000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:55:16.618000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-04-09T10:55:20.660000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:55:24.764000+08:00","text":"就委員關心的兩個問題，一個是委員特別提到的自行車……","quality":0.783},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-09T10:55:25.324000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:55:28.387000+08:00","text":"除了自行車，還有人行道。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-04-09T10:55:29.088000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:56:11.477000+08:00","text":"沒有錯，原則上，我們現在是在推動串聯所有的自行車路網，到目前為止，全國的自行車道大概有3,861公里，針對這個部分，我們在今年年底又會推出所謂環二線，就是把臺灣整個環起來，大概有一千多公里，其中專用的部分達到37%，就是我們非常重視這方面，不管是自行車也好、行人也好，大家可以看到現在有很多人徒步環島也是走在自行車道，所以自行車道一定的專用跟改善，其實是有助於自行車或徒步……","quality":0.836},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-09T10:56:14.420000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:56:51.985000+08:00","text":"剛剛本席提的有兩個部分，一個是自行車道，你說有很多行人都走在自行車道，所以自行車道跟行人能夠走的，其實在原鄉或城鎮的道路上也是一個問題，然後自行車跟行人通行時就已經很侷促了，但是動力車擠到自行車道跟人行道也是一個問題，所以有兩個問題，一個是自行車道跟人行道，你們跟國土署看看能不能怎麼樣去擴大路幅。","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-04-09T10:56:53.586000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:57:12.328000+08:00","text":"國土署有所謂的人本交通，有關於人行道設置的相關規定，我們也有說明過了，原則上在省道的部分或都外的部分，我們採用的標準也是跟國土署一樣，以後有關人行道的規劃設計或改善部分會一直出來。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-04-09T10:57:12.948000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:57:34.962000+08:00","text":"最後跟委員報告一點，剛才委員特別關心部落相關道路也就是部落或原住民地區的道路，原則上，只要是在原民地區的道路都是有編號的，在我們公路局的生活圈裡頭都可以提出相關的計畫來做改善。","quality":0.916},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-04-09T10:57:35.422000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:57:44.709000+08:00","text":"但是如果是屬於部落之間的聯絡道，那是由原民會在做處理，所以可能要用這樣的兩個方式來做改善。以上。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-09T10:57:45.109000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:57:45.950000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝你的補充。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-09T10:57:46.911000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:57:53.776000+08:00","text":"其實本席一直提出所謂徒步的路網，本席有跟其他單位提到聖雅各之路這樣一個徒步路網的系統……","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-04-09T10:57:53.776000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:57:54.776000+08:00","text":"就是朝聖之路。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-09T10:57:53.776000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:58:03.583000+08:00","text":"對，關於你剛才講的這個部分，其實這兩邊怎麼樣針對路網做沒有中斷的連結，我想這是未來要努力的方向，好不好？","quality":0.851},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-04-09T10:58:03.624000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:58:04.625000+08:00","text":"這也是我們努力的方向。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-09T10:58:05.365000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:58:13.635000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝，請持續關注這件事情，本席的辦公室也會來follow你們之後的進度，好不好？","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-04-09T10:58:13.935000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T10:58:14.175000+08:00","text":"好，沒問題。謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-04-09T10:58:14.675000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:58:15.817857+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T10:58:16.117857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T10:58:19.832143+08:00","text":"我們下一位請林月琴委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}