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齋時能夠保命的任性道路內政部能不能在這裡具體承諾將關乎市區通往各村鄉的抗災能力納入改善項目"},{"start":411.386,"end":438.623,"text":"希望會有書面的回應中央政府應該要主導而不是推給地方政府光復的鄉親要的是政府有具體行動馬太安溪的淹塞湖是一個沉痛的教訓如果這次我們只會清淤泥鋪柏油再有下一次洪災來的時候就是政府在草菅人命請內政部具體答覆馬太安溪淹塞湖防災的具體時間表"},{"start":442.059,"end":457.028,"text":"交通與居住安全是民眾最基本的需求不論是千億規模的舒花庵還是馬太安溪的災後重建本市要嚴正呼籲賴政府該回來好好做事重視花東民眾的權益謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"李委員貞秀","start":"2026-04-09T11:06:49+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T11:06:50+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，有請交通部次長上臺。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T11:06:50+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T11:06:51+08:00","text":"請陳次長上臺。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員貞秀","start":"2026-04-09T11:06:51+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T11:06:52+08:00","text":"次長好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員貞秀","start":"2026-04-09T11:06:49.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:07:34.282000+08:00","text":"前幾次的質詢，包含院會的總質詢，執政黨展現出來的傲慢，歷史會有紀錄，我不想浪費政治口水，今年2月本席就開始走訪東部地區，今天我要就花蓮、臺東在地民眾最關心的道路交通問題，向交通部和內政部來反映民眾的心聲。","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"李委員貞秀","start":"2026-04-09T11:07:36.119000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:07:48.045000+08:00","text":"首先請教陳次長，花東的鄉親等一條安全回家的路，真的等太久了，每次只要一遇到颱風、地震，國人的心就跟著懸在半空中。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員貞秀","start":"2026-04-09T11:07:48.985000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:08:12.071000+08:00","text":"行政院已經核定的蘇花安計畫，總經費高達1,056億，這對花東交通建設本來是一個契機，目前規劃東澳到南澳的路段據說已經核定，最快今年底要發包正式動工，本席要在這裡替鄉親問一句：次長，今年底的發包，交通部能確保順利動工嗎？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"李委員貞秀","start":"2026-04-09T11:08:12.071000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:08:13.013000+08:00","text":"好，所以次長回答不了這個問題。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"李委員貞秀","start":"2026-04-09T11:08:23.424000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:08:29.527000+08:00","text":"現在大環境缺工、缺料這麼嚴重，年底的工程會不會流標？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員貞秀","start":"2026-04-09T11:08:29.527000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:08:35.090000+08:00","text":"一延再延，花東人真的不能再等了，但是賴政府的交通部次長來到立法院，民眾卻等不到答案。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"李委員貞秀","start":"2026-04-09T11:08:35.190000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:08:36.270000+08:00","text":"本席要問交通部，超過1,000億的預算、五年多的工期，交通部有沒有把握在2032年如期完工全線通車？","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"李委員貞秀","start":"2026-04-09T11:08:55.519000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:09:29.346000+08:00","text":"次長，顯然你不敢回答，不敢保證完工期限，我要提醒1,056億不是空白支票，交通部必須確實的掌握進度，排除缺工、缺料的因素，不能等半年後再來跟我們說無法發包，這才叫負責任的政府，我們要的不是一個只有點頭說會努力的交通部，我們要的是一個敢為花東人安全負責的交通部，這條路，本席會幫花東的鄉親持續監督。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"李委員貞秀","start":"2026-04-09T11:09:32.393000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:09:34.695000+08:00","text":"再來是蘇花安的施工進度。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"李委員貞秀","start":"2026-04-09T11:09:35.115000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:09:45.903000+08:00","text":"除了蘇花安的施工進度，本席也關心蘇花安施工過程中，臺灣的原住民族群正義是否有被兼顧到？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員貞秀","start":"2026-04-09T11:09:48.344000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:10:02.914000+08:00","text":"蘇花安這條路會經過非常多的原鄉部落，依照原住民族基本法，必須落實部落的諮商與同意程序，開路本來是好事，但絕不能犧牲在地族人的權益。","quality":0.983},{"speaker":"李委員貞秀","start":"2026-04-09T11:10:03.795000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:10:09.119000+08:00","text":"現在很多原住民族人在問，公路局的土地徵收標準到底在哪？","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"李委員貞秀","start":"2026-04-09T11:10:09.899000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:10:31.079000+08:00","text":"目前針對土地的徵收費用，每坪最高可以到3,000元，最低卻只有1,500元，花蓮秀林鄉和平村目前用最高標準徵收，崇德地區的其他原住民部落是不是也可以比照這個標準？","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"李委員貞秀","start":"2026-04-09T11:10:31.119000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:10:31.159000+08:00","text":"次長，有回應嗎？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"李委員貞秀","start":"2026-04-09T11:10:38.332000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:10:50.639000+08:00","text":"很多原住民鄉親表示，為了國家建設，同意政府徵收大家的耕地，但補償機制要健全。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員貞秀","start":"2026-04-09T11:10:51.820000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:10:59.304000+08:00","text":"針對公路局目前的徵收計畫，本席要問徵收金額的評估標準是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員貞秀","start":"2026-04-09T11:10:59.304000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:11:02.245000+08:00","text":"能夠確保鄉親有合理公平的補償嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員貞秀","start":"2026-04-09T11:11:05.583000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:11:27.559000+08:00","text":"次長，看來你都說不清楚，我其實已經幫你查好了，秀林鄉和平村與崇德村之間的地價差異不能只看實價登錄，崇德是進入太魯閣門戶的觀光重鎮，公路局不能只單純用地價來衡量，必須再重新檢討徵收差異補償基準。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"李委員貞秀","start":"2026-04-09T11:11:33.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:11:46.125000+08:00","text":"雖然崇德居民過半數同意了這項開發，但請記得，原基法第二十一條不是過場的法條，更不是部落辦一個公聽會、簽個名就結束了。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"李委員貞秀","start":"2026-04-09T11:11:46.885000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:12:20.402000+08:00","text":"本席建議交通部可以參考國外經驗，將公路相關收益提撥一定比例回饋當地部落發展，要善用原住民族地區的地理優勢發展觀光，觀光是交通部的權責，交通部應該要支持原鄉發展各種類型旅遊方案，讓有能力的原住民族人能夠在自己的家鄉發展，而不是等蘇花安通過後被迫離開家鄉，只能到市區尋找工作機會。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員貞秀","start":"2026-04-09T11:12:24.054000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:12:27.576000+08:00","text":"再來麻煩主席幫我請內政部長一起上臺備詢。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T11:12:27.636000+08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