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這裡是兩頁"},{"start":404.673,"end":421.589,"text":"有兩億人兩億可以改善的補償也是很多還是有一些啦但是就是要溝通我要跟委員說我們現在百分之百的點頭是要申請的人搞不清楚他要怎麼提的大我告訴你你知道有百分之百的同意嘛"},{"start":423.27,"end":428.092,"text":"因為你如果是四樓到六樓,結結就是四樓還是六樓,我跟委員講,我如果再加衛福部,再加經濟部衛福部是什麼東西,譬如說老大人,他可能他的門要拆掉,不然他的有障礙空間會太小,這個他不可以提到可以"},{"start":445.698,"end":454.848,"text":"再來就是老舊的電線,整個挖掉,不是只有挖電線接頭因為電線如果老舊的話,燈光昏暗,也會影響老人家的居住安全這都衛福部或是內政部可以補貼"},{"start":467.12,"end":493.076,"text":"這部分我們地方政府這裡我們會來講啦 積極的來打這個我們都不會把這個服務團隊我們是百分之百嘛 只要是服務團隊的話縣市政府的那個標案我們都百分之百補助而且那個建築師他在每一個服務案裡面他會得到的這個補助費是由中央來負擔地方政府不用負擔是啦 所以部長我就要重申這行政策真的是貼近民意啦 大家知道"},{"start":493.717,"end":514.623,"text":"都很期待這一個政策的上路我們也希望這個政策也不要只有在特別預算這一次看到未來可以延續這樣的一個方向未來也是特別預算會更好因為如果要編列內政部還是不夠啊像經濟部他的家電太舊ESCO的部分他們就有總共是68億"},{"start":516.363,"end":534.972,"text":"譬如說我們的冰箱,想要老二十年三十年,你要改做綠能冰箱也是可以一起申請,我們現在把三個部會都合作為所以為什麼我們的申請表格會比較多,因為三個部會要把很多申請表格弄得很清楚不是那麼容易,我想在座委員都知道,不是說來申請就好,又來處住本身,要看有這是什麼事情"},{"start":540.264,"end":547.829,"text":"所以要跟委員說 我們還是繼續來說沒關係 我們地方也是會辦一些如果需要我們下去辦說明會我們會去做說明說明會我們也會要求縣市地方政府也辦說明會我們有過這個行政表單對不對我們幫他辦一次而已 人有夠多因為嘉義市的王委員這樣跟我講辦一次後忽然間有一天害怕說要再繼續辦因為人這麼多消化得完"},{"start":571.146,"end":576.454,"text":"現在狀況讓部長知道,我想我們地方該去說明該去協助的我們都會把它做好,謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T11:47:51.436000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:48:01.344000+08:00","text":"先請交通部陳次長、道安司副司長、公路局副局長。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T11:48:01.344000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T11:48:02.344000+08:00","text":"請陳次長、副司長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-04-09T11:48:02.344000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T11:48:03.344000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T11:48:01.604000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:48:01.604000+08:00","text":"次長好。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T11:48:02.745000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:48:52.185000+08:00","text":"次長，我關心的是阿里山公路，因為阿里山公路是山路，目前速限30，速限30就代表不管是上坡或下坡，速限就是30，這個速限規定起來非常嚴格，而這個嚴格就會變成，因為現在阿里山觀光正在發展，包括整個阿里山火車的推動、整個鄒族部落的遊客，不過速限30動不動就會被開罰單，尤其科技執法下去，罰單一開下去，變成有時候他們下坡，車子差不多踩一下就超過40了，就被開罰單了，這個對於觀光上，他們要來旅遊，結果卻吃到一張罰單，這個會有一點困擾。","quality":0.731},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T11:48:52.185000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:49:05.479000+08:00","text":"所以速限的部分可以檢討得再細膩一點嗎？","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T11:49:05.920000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:49:07.181000+08:00","text":"譬如說，哪一段適合多少的速限，還是上坡跟下坡可以有不同的標準嗎？","quality":0.517},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T11:49:07.181000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:49:07.681000+08:00","text":"次長，這個問題誰可以來回答？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-04-09T11:49:07.681000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T11:49:12.563333+08:00","text":"請副局長說明，他比較熟，而且也長期在嘉義。","quality":0},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T11:49:12.563333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T11:49:17.445667+08:00","text":"請副局長，因為副局長長期在嘉義，我們很熟，老朋友了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林副局長聰利","start":"2026-04-09T11:49:17.445667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T11:49:22.328000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林副局長聰利","start":"2026-04-09T11:49:22.328000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:50:16.627000+08:00","text":"針對阿里山公路臺十八線速限的問題，其實地方有很多人在關心這個案子，當初速限的問題是因為發生很多大事故以後，彎道的部分大概沒辦法達到速限的標準，所以才去設限，其實很多民眾也有反映，因為這樣造成超速被警察單位開單，這個部分未來我們會再跟警方、嘉義縣的道安會報以及嘉義縣的單位進行整體檢討，就是剛剛委員講的上坡跟下坡有沒有可能再去處理，或是路段的部分再去討論。","quality":0.904},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T11:50:16.627000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:50:17.648000+08:00","text":"路段是不是再檢討一下？是。","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T11:50:17.928000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:50:34.540000+08:00","text":"再來，地方也有建議，因為有時候一些山路會有一些飆車族會想要去那邊飆，當然我們也不希望讓地方困擾，不然就是假日的時候予以酌度放寬。","quality":0.831},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T11:50:34.540000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:50:34.760000+08:00","text":"為什麼要在假日？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T11:50:35.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:50:44.746000+08:00","text":"因為假日觀光客本來就比較多，也比較沒人去飆車，會去飆車大概都是平日，因為比較沒車，一旦車多，自然他們就不會去。","quality":0.735},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T11:50:46.026000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:50:57.033000+08:00","text":"事實上，第一個，也是希望假日車流量可以舒緩，可是限速30綁在那邊真的很容易造成來玩的旅客被開單。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-04-09T11:50:59.714000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:51:07.339000+08:00","text":"這個公路局會去檢討，現在高速公路也有針對大型車輛跟其他車輛有不同的速限。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-04-09T11:51:08.040000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:51:17.546000+08:00","text":"剛才特別提到阿里山公路早期的事故大概都是大車，大家上下阿里山，上還好，下的時候是下坡……","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T11:51:18.738000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:51:21.239000+08:00","text":"希望下坡的時候控制速度。","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-04-09T11:51:22.099000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:51:27.501000+08:00","text":"很多遊覽車載很多旅客產生事故，所以才有一定的速度……","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T11:51:27.941000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:51:33.402000+08:00","text":"如果可以就大車跟小車來分流的管理，我覺得這也是一個方向。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-04-09T11:51:33.762000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:51:37.744000+08:00","text":"對，也是一個方向。請回。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T11:51:38.484000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:51:41.345000+08:00","text":"下一位請內政部劉部長。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-09T11:51:41.345000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T11:51:51.323000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T11:51:51.323000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:52:04.051000+08:00","text":"因為我知道5月老宅延壽計畫即將要上路，這個真的是德政，地方好多人都在跟我反映，他們希望加入。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T11:52:04.692000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:52:20.223000+08:00","text":"尤其是我們知道有很多社區六樓的老房子，過去沒有管理委員會，等於沒有公基金，沒有公基金就有很多本來要做的修繕沒有做或者是沒有電梯。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T11:52:21.004000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:52:31.016000+08:00","text":"以現在來說，老人家沒有電梯、在那邊爬樓梯都是很危險的，所以這個政策真的有補貼到，大家都覺得很棒。","quality":0.884},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T11:52:31.537000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:52:41.814000+08:00","text":"可是站在我們的立場，我們不敢去宣傳，因為部長也知道當時是用特別預算去抓了50億。對。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T11:52:42.755000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:52:48.417000+08:00","text":"以50億分布全國來說，真的很少，如果又回到我們嘉義，事實上就沒幾件，所以我不敢去宣傳。","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T11:52:49.778000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:52:55.421000+08:00","text":"我具體建議，今年度看起來總預算就被藍白卡成這樣了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T11:52:55.941000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:53:06.664000+08:00","text":"至少這個德政大家都說好，現在即將編列明年的預算，有沒有可能把它列為本預算，就不用再用特別預算？","quality":0.744},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-09T11:53:07.025000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:53:09.805000+08:00","text":"你是說116年的概算，是嗎？對。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-09T11:53:09.805000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:53:21.489000+08:00","text":"現在行政院正要求各部會編概算，如果我們覺得有需要，會把它加進去，但我們確實是沒有提，因為50億是放在特別預算，也是大院同意的。","quality":0.982},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-09T11:53:22.789000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:53:35.116000+08:00","text":"剛剛委員所提到的部分，我們來改進，不過我也要請委員回去可以敦促，也就是每個地方政府趕快成立他的輔導服務團隊。","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-09T11:53:35.116000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:53:43.021000+08:00","text":"這個輔導服務團隊通常都會請類似像建築師公會來協助，阿公、阿嬤不知道改善到底要怎麼填申請單，因為他們不懂。","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T11:53:43.441000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:53:52.220000+08:00","text":"現在地方政府也為難，因為我們那邊沒分到幾件，只有個位數的案件，所以……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-09T11:53:52.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:53:52.901000+08:00","text":"不一定！","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T11:53:54.522000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:53:56.343000+08:00","text":"目前看起來是這樣。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-09T11:53:56.343000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T11:53:57.343000+08:00","text":"除非都是違章建築。","quality":0},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T11:53:56.343000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:54:03.848000+08:00","text":"因為只有個位數的案件，現在真的很難擇定到底要從哪一棟老宅先來處理。","quality":0.71},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T11:54:04.008000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:54:07.698000+08:00","text":"因為真的就是這麼多人，大家嗷嗷待哺。不會！","quality":0.722},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-09T11:54:08.459000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:54:10.862000+08:00","text":"委員很擔心也很小心。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-09T11:54:11.904000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:54:16.771000+08:00","text":"目前為止，我們按照每一個縣市的分配數來看，當然要看不一樣的財政分級。","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-09T11:54:16.771000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T11:54:22.673000+08:00","text":"嘉義縣是2億。","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T11:54:22.673000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:54:24.054000+08:00","text":"對，有2億。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-09T11:54:24.195000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:54:27.858000+08:00","text":"2億可以改善的戶數也是很多。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T11:54:28.178000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:54:28.479000+08:00","text":"還是有一些。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-09T11:54:29.279000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:54:30.220000+08:00","text":"但就是要溝通。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-09T11:54:31.081000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:54:35.646000+08:00","text":"我要跟委員說，我們現在擔心的反而是要申請的人搞不清楚要怎麼填單。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T11:54:38.588000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:54:39.449000+08:00","text":"因為他要百分之百同意他的區域……","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-09T11:54:41.330000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:54:42.191000+08:00","text":"如果是4樓到6樓，頂多就是4戶或6戶而已。","quality":0.533},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-09T11:54:42.551000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:54:43.591000+08:00","text":"我們會加衛福部，再加經濟部。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-09T11:54:43.611000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:54:43.871000+08:00","text":"衛福部是配合什麼？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-09T11:54:44.071000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:54:45.412000+08:00","text":"譬如老人家的門要拆掉，不然無障礙空間會太小。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-09T11:54:45.532000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:54:45.532000+08:00","text":"這個他也得會填才行。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-09T11:55:03.698000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:55:09.384000+08:00","text":"再來就是老舊電線要整個換掉，不是只有換電線接頭……","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T11:55:09.384000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T11:55:10.384000+08:00","text":"不只看得到的，包括裡面的都要抽掉。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-09T11:55:09.384000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:55:12.848000+08:00","text":"對，因為電線如果老舊，燈光昏暗也會影響老人家的居住安全，這些衛福部或內政部都可以補貼。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-09T11:55:12.848000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T11:55:25.120000+08:00","text":"另外還有屋頂漏水……","quality":0},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T11:55:25.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:55:31.244000+08:00","text":"這部分我們會跟地方政府溝通，積極地來把這些……","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-09T11:55:33.565000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:55:45.713000+08:00","text":"因為只要是縣市政府服務團隊的標案，我們都百分之百補助，而且建築師在每一個服務案裡面得到的補助費是由中央來負擔，地方政府不用負擔。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T11:55:46.233000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:56:02.460000+08:00","text":"部長，我要重申這項政策真的是貼近民意，大家真的都很期待這個政策上路，我們也希望這個政策不要只有在這一次的特別預算看到，未來可以延續這樣好的方向。","quality":0.881},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-09T11:56:03+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:56:04.500000+08:00","text":"未來也是編在特別預算會更好。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-09T11:56:05.021000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:56:12.623000+08:00","text":"如果要編列在內政部還是不夠，像經濟部家電汰舊ESCO的部分，總共有68億。","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-09T11:56:14.443000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:56:21.747000+08:00","text":"比如冰箱太老，已經20、30年要改成綠能冰箱，也是可以一起申請，我們現在把三個部會都併在一起。","quality":0.763},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T11:56:21.747000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T11:56:23.327000+08:00","text":"整併一起？好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-09T11:56:23.327000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:56:25.668000+08:00","text":"所以為什麼我們的申請單會比較晚出來？","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-09T11:56:25.869000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:56:29.810000+08:00","text":"因為三個部會要把很多申請表格弄得很清楚，不是那麼容易。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-09T11:56:29.910000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:56:32.191000+08:00","text":"我想在座委員都知道，不是來申請就好了。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-09T11:56:32.312000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:56:39.405000+08:00","text":"再來房東本身也要看得懂這是指什麼事情，所以要跟委員說我們還是繼續……","quality":0.774},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T11:56:39.405000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:56:39.985000+08:00","text":"沒關係，地方也是會辦一些公聽會，我們會去說明。","quality":0.55},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-09T11:56:40.206000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:56:41.647000+08:00","text":"如果需要我們下去辦一些說明會，我們也會要求縣市地方政府辦說明會。好。","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-09T11:56:41.647000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:56:42.247000+08:00","text":"我們5月這個申請表單就會出來。","quality":0.462},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T11:56:42.387000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:56:43.908000+08:00","text":"我們只辦一次而已，人有夠多的！","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T11:56:43.908000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T11:56:44.908000+08:00","text":"人好多。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-09T11:56:44.188000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:56:44.749000+08:00","text":"嘉義市的王委員也這樣跟我講，1,000人……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T11:56:44.749000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:56:45.289000+08:00","text":"辦一次後忽然間有一點害怕，要再繼續辦嗎？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T11:56:45.289000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:56:45.809000+08:00","text":"因為人這麼多消化得完嗎？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-09T11:56:45.809000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T11:57:09.466000+08:00","text":"我們來努力。","quality":0},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T11:57:09.466000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:57:14.434000+08:00","text":"沒關係，讓部長知道這些狀況，地方該去說明、該去協助的，我們都會把它做好。好。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-09T11:57:14.454000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T11:57:14.454000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-09T11:57:14.954000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T11:57:17.525429+08:00","text":"謝謝委員的支持。謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T11:57:17.825429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T11:57:20.968286+08:00","text":"接下來請葉元之委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}