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跟委員您報告 那我們你剛說收件一百多 多件嘛呃 棒 棒足 案件收件一百多件對對對 所以我現在問你啊棒足啊 你可以完成多少件啊那 跟 嗯 跟委員您報告那目前我們編列的預算是三億那我不太敢保證 說這個可以完成多少件但我們都會積極來在棒足這一塊所以你也看到三億大概不夠這一百件申請了 對不對確實 確實 對嘛"},{"start":1105.851,"end":1123.531,"text":"那我們是不是應該提出更多的需求給行政院如果這一百件有人多提的我們抓大概三成四成通過好不好那大概三十件四十件能不能三億給他們就都蓋得到我認為很難"},{"start":1125.593,"end":1149.421,"text":"跟我有您報告在明年的預算編列我們確實在這一塊我們有增加編列的需求所以我們也有在明年的預算編列有多增加編列好那我還有一題啦但是因為剛剛趙偉站起來了那就這樣子我們今天就質詢到這邊但我要跟你講就是說不管我今天我最後也想問你這個我想補充問你一個問題不好意思3月1號運動幣會上場對嗎"},{"start":1152.962,"end":1180.645,"text":"剛剛你提的3月1號運動幣會上場有嗎?有這件事嗎?我看到剛剛表格有委員提到你運動幣大概什麼時候會執行?之前已經抽完然後已經開始了已經發完了發完開始領完然後正在都有一些這個抵押發了嘛對不對?發了怎麼樣?有領嗎?大家都全部都有領嗎?有沒有八成九成領?三成了已經領了領了三成?對那發了多少錢?大概就好"},{"start":1183.066,"end":1197.974,"text":"三億的三成九千萬吧如果按照數字的這三億的三成應該是九千萬好 去年有運動幣嗎去年是青春動資券那我們希望說在就是轉計劃嘛去年是應該講說它是延續優化可以這樣說嗎"},{"start":1201.083,"end":1226.292,"text":"那對嘛不是說沒錢賴清德都說謊都說預算是零明明就在發明明已經拿了三成延續優化公務員您報告這個可能還是要確認一下這是基金的錢我跟你講我只是一個例子而已任何一件事情不管是基金不管是預算我們剛剛還是回到預算法"},{"start":1227.267,"end":1254.214,"text":"我只是隨便舉一個例子而已那這個部分包括你今天填寫你也說你要輔導他們用基金的部分嘛所以有辦法就找辦法而不是直接就說我們預算的問題那精準來面對更多的一些新聞議題我想這個部分還是要拜託你我們政治少一點運動多一點大家一起加油我相信你目前都做得到我們持續下去好嗎謝謝文"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T12:52:53.255000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:52:53.455000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T12:52:53.735000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:52:58.838000+08:00","text":"有請部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T12:52:58.838000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:53:04.601000+08:00","text":"請部長，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T12:53:04.601000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T12:53:05.601000+08:00","text":"委員您好。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T12:53:04.961000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:53:12.368000+08:00","text":"部長，今天聽了這麼多質詢，也要向你問一下，擔任部長應該已經7個月了，對吧？對。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T12:53:12.368000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:53:14.229000+08:00","text":"有沒有什麼心得、感想？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T12:53:15.830000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:53:30.135000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，這段時間其實也接受到非常多來自運動員，以及各方對於運動部的期待，我們希望在這一塊可以是更加符合民意期待的運動部，我們也在往這個方向努力。","quality":0.986},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T12:53:32.160000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:53:37.042000+08:00","text":"你們正在往這個方向努力，但希望速度可以加緊。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T12:53:37.402000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:53:46.948000+08:00","text":"7個月，業務應該上手了，等一下詢問的問題，我希望儘可能都是由部長回答，也讓社會大眾知道部長對業務的掌握程度。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T12:53:48.068000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:54:07.299000+08:00","text":"當初賴總統請你擔任部長，是看中你一定了解運動員的辛苦，找你來幫運動員的忙，找你來協助運動員的生涯規劃怎麼走、怎麼規劃、怎麼守護權益，希望可以許他們一個美好的未來。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T12:54:07.299000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:54:15.384000+08:00","text":"但是部長接任以後，你應該會比較忙，忙到自己該做的事情可能沒有做到，這個我們要來探討一下。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T12:54:16.684000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:54:59.165000+08:00","text":"2025年10月23日新聞提及，鄭麗君強調政府推動運動協會的改革，最終的目標是確保協會的治理能夠更加的良善，讓運動員能夠更完善的支持權益的保障；此外，運動團體的構成多元，不僅包含各單項的委員會，還有我們看到協會及工會的組織，請運動部持續重視工會團體代表的建議，未來規劃相關的諮詢會議跟小組，廣邀工會代表參與，共同促進運動政策的全面發展。","quality":0.554},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T12:54:59.685000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:55:26.804000+08:00","text":"部長，鄭麗君副院長在談話的時候，你也坐在旁邊，請問5個月過去了，針對運動部持續重視工會團體的代表建議，未來規劃相關的諮詢會議、相關的小組，廣邀工會代表參與的這個部分，外界關心運動部是否有這樣的方向，推動具體的作為，請問做了些什麼？","quality":0.99},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T12:55:26.804000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:55:42.458000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，首先我自己跟運動選手開了3次諮詢委員會，也了解到非常多不同運動種類的訴求，這是運動員的部分，這是第一點。","quality":0.904},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T12:55:43.219000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:56:25.223000+08:00","text":"第二個，在特定體育團體的部分，我們有運動委員會，以及在最近的特定體育團體改選的情況下，我們將單項委員會的選訓委員會人數分別變成運動專業人士、法律專業人士、國家級裁判及A級裁判各1名，在近八年擔任國家隊選手及曾經擔任過國家隊教練的部分，至少要置2名，然後其中1名為主委，希望將選訓委員會，也就是在選拔運動員最高的部分，我們可以還給專業。","quality":0.987},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T12:56:26.683000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:56:28.123000+08:00","text":"納入專業的意見。對。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T12:56:28.123000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:56:37.326000+08:00","text":"但是我想問一下，請問有跟棒球、職籃、足球3個工會的理事長見過面了嗎？","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T12:56:41.587000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:56:45.228000+08:00","text":"3個工會的理事長目前確實還沒見到面。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T12:56:45.868000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:56:53.070000+08:00","text":"我想如果沒有見面，已經五、六個月過去了，部長，您在忙什麼呢？","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T12:56:55.288000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:57:34.380000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，在這部分我們希望建立更加制度化的補助，給特定體育團體，所以在這段期間，其實我開的審查會議不下二十幾場，每一次我們從過去的審查裡也更加建立制度的，比如過去可能經費非常龐大，並沒有經費多少錢會置委員多少人的規定，所以比如有5億的預算，可能只有僅僅3名外部委員，但現在我們將依據金額置會計、法律專業人士來一同審查。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T12:57:35.040000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:57:41.966000+08:00","text":"目前來講，在這二十幾場裡面，我們總共替納稅人省下近3億元的浮編。","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T12:57:43.287000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:58:00.641000+08:00","text":"部長，你有做事，我們一定認可也一定承認，所以剛剛是問你你有做的部分，我們都非常的嘉許，但目前我也有指出你有部分的團體沒有見到面，而這是鄭麗君希望你做的，對不對？","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T12:58:00.641000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T12:58:06.425000+08:00","text":"你應該要抓緊時間趕緊排，我知道你很忙，但是還是要擠出時間跟他們見面。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T12:58:0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},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:00:24.014000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:00:24.614000+08:00","text":"我沒有忘記吧？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T13:00:25.655000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:00:26.596000+08:00","text":"目前確實是這樣。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:00:26.776000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:00:48.766000+08:00","text":"房署長，當時我們在聊的時候，你也在旁邊，我們說這個運動中心，因為它是公建計畫，目前沒有相關預算，要向行政院提，希望行政院能夠通過公建計畫，我們才能夠報給立法院，對吧？","quality":0.877},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:00:48.927000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:00:49.287000+08:00","text":"沒有錯吧？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T13:00:51.868000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:00:56.148000+08:00","text":"我們現在在優化計畫，確實正在修正。對嘛！","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:00:57.069000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:00:58.371000+08:00","text":"還沒有送給行政院吧？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:00:59.432000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:01:00.673000+08:00","text":"送了嗎？送了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:01:00.773000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:01:02.755000+08:00","text":"行政院同意了嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T13:01:02.755000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:01:04.757000+08:00","text":"優化計畫的部分，還……","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:01:04.757000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:01:06.079000+08:00","text":"所以我要講的很簡單嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:01:07.660000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:01:42.169000+08:00","text":"我們看這一張預算表，115年度運動部的預算書第139頁，優化全民運動與賽會環境計畫，以及裡面提到的，和本科目相關所編列的一些預算，我們都可以看到，第一，你們有編列，行政院還沒有通過，所以我不知道您面對彰化縣王惠美縣長的時候，他要向你請託一些相關的場館興建，你有什麼不能收的？","quality":0.908},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:01:43.229000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:01:44.030000+08:00","text":"為什麼要扯預算沒過？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:01:45.778000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:01:59.524000+08:00","text":"你要扯預算沒過，那我拜託你，你應該說行政院目前還沒有通過，而不是這樣簡單一句話，把它變成新聞，讓全民覺得是因為立法院沒有通過這個預算。","quality":0.82},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:02:01.484000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:02:22.796000+08:00","text":"這個部分我要講清楚，不是預算沒有過，今天在這邊，包括你上次和我私底下聊，都是公建計畫已經報給行政院，但行政院還沒有通過，怎麼現在卻扯到立法院，是藍白刪預算，藍白砍預算，藍白擋預算？","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:02:24.537000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:02:25.518000+08:00","text":"後面的狀況你沒有講啊！","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:02:26.618000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:02:27.139000+08:00","text":"我知道這些你沒有講。","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:02:28.379000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:02:38.847000+08:00","text":"但我要期許的是，我剛剛講過，你身負金牌部長的期許，應該要政治少一點，回話要精準一點，拜託你。","quality":0.825},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:02:39.367000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:02:45.932000+08:00","text":"或許你是無心之過，我也不能直接壓著你，說一定是你講錯話、你一定是要汙蔑藍白。","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:02:46.092000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:02:58.715000+08:00","text":"沒關係，我們今天就是平心而論，但拜託你講話要精準，你們有報給行政院，但行政院還沒有通過，怎麼會變成外界一直在揣摩的，是因為藍白的關係？","quality":0.783},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:02:59.715000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:03:01.455000+08:00","text":"所以這個部分，我希望透過今天的質詢說清楚。","quality":0.684},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:03:03.416000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:03:11.718000+08:00","text":"部長，就你對預算的了解，這是延續型的計畫嗎？是。是嘛！","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:03:11.978000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:03:12.979000+08:00","text":"對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:03:13.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:03:15.542000+08:00","text":"延續型的計畫是可以繼續執行的。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:03:18.066000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:03:24.934000+08:00","text":"依你對預算編列的理解，請問它是哪一年核定？113年。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:03:27.076000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:03:30.764000+08:00","text":"它是行政院112年12月3日核定。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T13:03:31.545000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:03:34.265000+08:00","text":"112年核定，113年開始執行，謝謝委員。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:03:34.265000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T13:03:35.265000+08:00","text":"113年執行。","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:03:34.565000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:03:36.066000+08:00","text":"沒關係！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:03:36.066000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:03:39.387000+08:00","text":"這個計畫早在112年行政院就已經核定，它是延續型的計畫。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:03:39.387000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:03:48.150000+08:00","text":"所以既然是延續型的計畫，為什麼王惠美縣長拜託你的時候，你一開始要拒絕？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:03:48.310000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:03:49.090000+08:00","text":"准不准是一回事啦！","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:03:50.430000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:04:29.463000+08:00","text":"我認為未來你擔任部長一定會持續遇到這樣的事，相信我，有一天你走在路上，甚至你在看棒球的時候，你在做法的時候，都可能有人拿著牛皮紙袋過來找你，只要裡面是有關於公益的，我認為接受陳情沒有不妥，但是你一定要向他回應，我收案了，但是我們依照規定來處理、了解，我認為這應該是人之常情，您覺得呢？","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T13:04:30.764000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:04:33.226000+08:00","text":"其實當下我有向縣長提……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:04:33.226000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:04:34.767000+08:00","text":"有，你有請他提正式計畫嘛！","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T13:04:35.127000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:04:37.629000+08:00","text":"有請他正式發函，運動部絕對會錄案，畢竟當時……","quality":0.474},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:04:38.009000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:04:40.311000+08:00","text":"但是你也看到了，畫面不是這樣呈現啊！","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:04:40.951000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:04:44.053000+08:00","text":"所有新聞就是你直接拒絕，說預算沒過。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:04:44.673000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:04:51.397000+08:00","text":"我認為在當下您是好意，但在被操作的這些新聞之下卻變成壞意。","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:04:52.177000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:04:52.978000+08:00","text":"那您就收下嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:04:53.738000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:05:04.773000+08:00","text":"直接跟他講我們依規定辦理，是延續型的，就依計畫做，是新興的，就是新興計畫還沒通過，你就照實講嘛！","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:05:05.013000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:05:07.756000+08:00","text":"但我要補充的是，新興計畫我們也通過了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:05:09.097000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:05:24.351000+08:00","text":"再來，部長，你自己在今年1月1日運動部的臉書錄了一段影片，你說延續性的計畫30.2億元，其中大多為優化、整建全民運動設施的部分，對吧？","quality":0.982},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T13:05:25.767000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:05:30.931000+08:00","text":"這不是我錄的影片，這是我在行政院後記者會的發言，謝謝委員，不好意思。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:05:31.512000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:05:32.313000+08:00","text":"運動部幫你錄的啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:05:32.793000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:05:33.554000+08:00","text":"不是你自錄啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:05:33.834000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:05:34.795000+08:00","text":"但是是你的發言，對吧？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:05:35.095000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:05:35.755000+08:00","text":"不是AI吧？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T13:05:36.156000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:05:37.377000+08:00","text":"不是，確實是我自己的發言。","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:05:37.617000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:05:46.023000+08:00","text":"部長，其實您知道延續型的計畫不影響，我們不希望有人刻意誤導社會大眾。","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:05:47.745000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:06:00.809000+08:00","text":"部長，你來找我聊天的時候，我就已經再次強調，你是向行政院爭取公建計畫，目前的進度，你有掌握行政院什麼時候會審？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:06:00.809000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:06:02.370000+08:00","text":"什麼時候會通過嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T13:06:02.370000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:06:06.171000+08:00","text":"公建計畫的部分嗎？對。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:06:06.171000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:06:06.771000+08:00","text":"你剛說優化啊！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T13:06:07.572000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:06:16.215000+08:00","text":"優化這部分，我們之前已經送給行政院，行政院國發會又回給運動部做修正，三月底又……","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:06:17.236000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:06:17.676000+08:00","text":"再送一次？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T13:06:20.338000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:06:24.441000+08:00","text":"三月底發文回來請我們修正，我們最近正在做修正。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:06:24.741000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:06:25.742000+08:00","text":"所以你們還在修正嘛！","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:06:27.423000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:06:29.244000+08:00","text":"今天很確定，你們還在修正嘛！","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:06:29.424000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:06:33.147000+08:00","text":"行政院請你們提出修正，所以行政院還沒同意嘛！","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:06:34.307000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:06:45.639000+08:00","text":"今天我講的這一段，因為是直播，全體國人都會看到，我希望大家稍微了解一下，延續型的都不受影響，新興計畫的部分我們已經核准，為什麼？","quality":0.772},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:06:45.639000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:06:55.781000+08:00","text":"因為立法院3月6日就同意行政院先行動支38項具急迫性的新興計畫，總金額718億元，現在是全民都在等卓榮泰嘛！","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:06:56.341000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:07:01.322000+08:00","text":"再來，卓榮泰說不要違法，但是我們立的法，他很多都不副署，還說不要違法！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:07:02.322000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:07:07.153000+08:00","text":"再來，主計長都講了可以先動用，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:07:07.153000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:07:15.037000+08:00","text":"立法院已經同意新興計畫先行動支了，運動部自己卻不用，這是主管機關的失職嘛！","quality":0.853},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:07:16.558000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:07:27.443000+08:00","text":"所以我要講的是，門打開了、燈開了，路也鋪好了，運動部自己站在門口不進去，還回頭說門沒開，這種說法社會大眾能夠接受嗎？","quality":0.961},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:07:27.443000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:07:42.527000+08:00","text":"我要講的是，主計長都說了，已行文可先行動支，怎麼還有執政黨的委員在今天的委員會，大言不慚一直講藍白擋預算？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:07:46.287000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:08:04.992000+08:00","text":"我今天另外要再講的是，針對學校運動設施設備的補助案，運動部與教育部至少召開7次會議，在7次會議當中，就如同今天運動部所告知的，規劃就是運動部只負責棒球場和足球場，其餘運動設施都是教育部負責，你覺得這樣的分工合理嗎？","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T13:08:07.363000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:08:23.591000+08:00","text":"這是在我上任之前就已經完成的分工，除了硬體設備以外，在學校體育的部分，我們還有包含專任運動教練，也有棒壘球的教練計畫，還有全中運、全大運等等計畫，也都是由運動部負責。","quality":0.987},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:08:24.172000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:08:29.854000+08:00","text":"部長，全國高中學校以下，同時擁有棒球場和足球場的學校有多少？","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:08:30.555000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:08:34.036000+08:00","text":"你有掌握嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T13:08:39.021000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:08:44.585000+08:00","text":"今年的話，目前我們棒球場部分的收案至少有一百多件。","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:08:45.646000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:08:45.966000+08:00","text":"那是收案啦！","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:08:46.347000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:08:49.449000+08:00","text":"我是說同時擁有棒球場和足球場的學校。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T13:08:53.432000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:08:53.892000+08:00","text":"這個我確實沒有掌握。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:08:54.213000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:08:55.914000+08:00","text":"我想你應該先去釐清一下。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:08:57.115000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:09:05.767000+08:00","text":"因為在這樣的狀況之下，公立的、私立的，到底現在有多少需求？","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:09:06.308000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:09:10.111000+08:00","text":"就像你剛剛說的，有提出需求的是一百多件，他們的現況如何？","quality":0.72},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:09:10.712000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:09:11.652000+08:00","text":"要主動去查詢一下。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:09:14.744000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:09:22.971000+08:00","text":"今天我會提這樣的議題、議程，就是希望在分工上能夠更明確。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:09:23.091000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:09:26.614000+08:00","text":"你跟我講很明確，但教育部跟我說沒有啊！","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:09:26.915000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:09:27.595000+08:00","text":"我們覺得這不是我們的業務範圍啊！","quality":0.467},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:09:27.935000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:09:28.596000+08:00","text":"應該要找運動部。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:09:29.256000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:09:32.279000+08:00","text":"到底你們兩邊是誰說謊？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:09:32.279000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:09:32.799000+08:00","text":"要講清楚、說明白。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:09:32.980000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:09:49.874000+08:00","text":"今天不是只有我在幫臺中市爭取，所有的委員都會遇到，新北葉元之委員也很關心，所以我相信他一定會再多給我一點時間繼續講，他也會遇到爭取校園設施的時候，你們分工不清啊！","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:09:50.814000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:09:59.016000+08:00","text":"他也一定會拜託召委幫他排審、排考察，除非他不想要我幫他排考察，那他就會催促我下來。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:10:01.552000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:10:01.892000+08:00","text":"您看嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:10:02.132000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:10:04.214000+08:00","text":"他就有需求，所以我今天一定要釐清嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:10:05.075000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:10:09.479000+08:00","text":"為什麼現在運動部主推學校的棒球和足球，其他項目不用嗎？","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:10:10.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:10:10.860000+08:00","text":"羽球不用？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:10:12.362000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:10:12.682000+08:00","text":"網球不用？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:10:14.143000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:10:14.704000+08:00","text":"射箭不用？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:10:16.085000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:10:21.903000+08:00","text":"這些都是很重要的奧運項目，怎麼運動部都沒有處理？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:10:22.704000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:10:33.716000+08:00","text":"所以我想問一下，每一年運動部規劃的，能夠增加多少學校建設符合標準的棒球場和足球場？","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:10:33.716000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:10:39.457000+08:00","text":"您覺得可以增加多少？我們……","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:10:39.457000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:10:41.157000+08:00","text":"你剛剛說收了一百多件？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T13:10:42.878000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:10:45.478000+08:00","text":"棒、足案件收件一百多件。對。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:10:45.478000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:10:46.758000+08:00","text":"所以我現在問你棒、足的部分啊！","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:10:47.399000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:10:48.399000+08:00","text":"你們可以完成多少件？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T13:10:52.259000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:11:00.161000+08:00","text":"目前我們編列的預算是3億元，我不太敢保證可以完成多少件，但我們會積極在棒、足這一塊……","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:11:00.161000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:11:03.901000+08:00","text":"所以你也看到，3億元大概不夠這一百件申請，對不對？確實。對嘛！","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:11:07.851000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:11:10.294000+08:00","text":"那我們是不是應該提出更多的需求給行政院？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:11:11.876000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:11:18.723000+08:00","text":"如果這一百件，我們抓三成、四成通過，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:11:19.564000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:11:24.790000+08:00","text":"大概就是30件、40件，這3億元，他們能不能都蓋得到？","quality":0.611},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:11:25.371000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:11:25.531000+08:00","text":"我認為很難啦！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T13:11:28.373000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:11:36.696000+08:00","text":"明年的預算編列，我們在這一塊確實有增加需求，所以我們明年的預算編列也有增加。好。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:11:38.277000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:11:38.837000+08:00","text":"我還有一題啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:11:39.197000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:11:45.379000+08:00","text":"但是因為剛剛召委站起來了，就這樣子，我們今天就質詢到這邊。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:11:48.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:11:51.421000+08:00","text":"我最後想補充問你一個問題，不好意思，3月1日運動幣會上場，對嗎？","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:11:54.962000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:11:55.283000+08:00","text":"剛剛你提的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T13:11:55.663000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:11:57.925000+08:00","text":"3月1日運動幣會上場？有嗎？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:11:57.925000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:11:58.385000+08:00","text":"有這件事嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:11:58.385000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:12:00.046000+08:00","text":"我看到剛剛那個表格，有委員提到。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T13:12:00.046000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T13:12:01.768000+08:00","text":"對，是的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:12:01.768000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:12:03.089000+08:00","text":"你們的運動幣大概什麼時候會執行？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T13:12:03.870000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:12:08.133000+08:00","text":"之前已經抽完，已經開始了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:12:08.133000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T13:12:09.133000+08:00","text":"開始在發了？","quality":0},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T13:12:08.673000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:12:08.834000+08:00","text":"發完了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:12:09.074000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:12:09.074000+08:00","text":"發完了啦！","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:12:09.074000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T13:12:10.074000+08:00","text":"對不對？","quality":0},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T13:12:09.614000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:12:12.016000+08:00","text":"發完，也領完，已經有一些抵用了。","quality":0.462},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:12:12.336000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:12:12.437000+08:00","text":"發了嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:12:12.597000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:12:12.717000+08:00","text":"對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:12:12.717000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:12:14.999000+08:00","text":"發的怎麼樣？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:12:14.999000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:12:15.619000+08:00","text":"有領嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:12:15.959000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:12:16.340000+08:00","text":"全部都有領嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:12:16.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:12:17.621000+08:00","text":"領的人有沒有達到八成、九成？","quality":0.583},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T13:12:18.922000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:12:19.622000+08:00","text":"已經領用三成了。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:12:19.803000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:12:21.044000+08:00","text":"領了三成？對。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:12:21.184000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:12:22.204000+08:00","text":"發了多少錢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:12:22.204000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:12:22.625000+08:00","text":"大概就好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T13:12:27.267000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:12:27.267000+08:00","text":"9,000萬元吧？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T13:12:27.707000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:12:30.729000+08:00","text":"如果按照數字計算，3億元的三成應該是9,000萬元。","quality":0.737},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:12:31.289000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:12:32.550000+08:00","text":"去年有發運動幣嗎？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T13:12:32.550000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:12:33.570000+08:00","text":"去年是青春動滋券。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T13:12:33.990000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:12:34.631000+08:00","text":"我們希望在……","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:12:34.871000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:12:35.951000+08:00","text":"就是轉計畫嘛！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T13:12:37.832000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:12:37.992000+08:00","text":"應該說它是……","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:12:38.513000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:12:39.974000+08:00","text":"延續優化，可以這樣說嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T13:12:43.543000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:12:43.543000+08:00","text":"對，可以。對嘛！","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:12:44.523000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:12:46.284000+08:00","text":"不是說沒錢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:12:46.284000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:12:53.606000+08:00","text":"賴清德說謊，說預算是零，明明就在發了，明明已經拿了三成，這是延續優化。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T13:12:56.047000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:12:59.409000+08:00","text":"這個可能還是要確認一下，因為這是基金的錢。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:12:59.409000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:13:10.787000+08:00","text":"我跟你講，我只是舉一個例子而已，任何一件事情，不管是基金，不管是預算，剛剛是回到預算法，我只是隨便舉一個例子而已。","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:13:12.508000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:13:17.029000+08:00","text":"這個部分，包括今天田協的問題，你也說要輔導他們用基金的部分嘛！","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:13:17.589000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:13:27.952000+08:00","text":"所以有辦法就找辦法，而不是直接說因為預算的問題，要精準的面對更多的新聞議題。","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-09T13:13:27.952000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:13:36.194000+08:00","text":"我想這個部分還是要拜託您，政治少一點，運動多一點，大家一起加油，我相信目前你都做的到，我們持續下去，好嗎？","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-09T13:13:36.194000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-09T13:13:36.194000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-09T13:13:36.694000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T13:13:39.836857+08:00","text":"謝謝羅廷瑋召委，謝謝部長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席（羅委員廷瑋）","start":"2026-04-09T13:13:40.136857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T13:13:42.422571+08:00","text":"請邱志偉委員質詢。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席（羅委員廷瑋）","start":"2026-04-09T13:13:42.722571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-09T13:13:47.008286+08:00","text":"向委員報告，今天的詢答時間是5分鐘。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}