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那主席長的禮拜三好好來做後續的協商"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:45:51.674000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:45:56.678000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席及各位先進，有請經濟部的賴次長及中油的董事長。","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-04-13T09:45:56.898000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:45:56.918000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:45:56.918000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:45:57.139000+08:00","text":"好，兩位長官好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:45:57.159000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:46:20.922000+08:00","text":"我先問一下中油董事長，我記得在經濟委員會有問你，你講到有4艘的油輪裝船，現在裝了沒有？","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-13T09:46:23.424000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:46:25.606000+08:00","text":"我在經濟委員會所講的就是，從4月份開始……","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:46:26.127000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:46:26.887000+08:00","text":"開始裝了沒有？","quality":1},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-13T09:46:28.509000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:46:29.870000+08:00","text":"4月份這一船已經裝了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:46:30.190000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:46:30.950000+08:00","text":"出來沒有？","quality":1},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-13T09:46:31.051000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:46:35.995000+08:00","text":"現在在航行過程中，經過曼德海峽。","quality":0.643},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:46:36.635000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:46:41.779000+08:00","text":"已經經過曼德海峽，是不是？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-04-13T09:46:43.381000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:46:46.783000+08:00","text":"從央布裝港，已經往曼德海峽……差不多……","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:46:48.911000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:46:51.953000+08:00","text":"那第一艘什麼時候到臺灣？","quality":1},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-13T09:46:51.953000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:46:52.814000+08:00","text":"應該是在5月初了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:46:55.215000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:46:56.136000+08:00","text":"後面的3艘呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-13T09:46:57.677000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:46:58.798000+08:00","text":"後面3艘就每個月一船。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:46:58.938000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:47:00.499000+08:00","text":"不受影響？","quality":1},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-13T09:47:00.499000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:47:01.760000+08:00","text":"目前來講沒有影響。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:47:01.760000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:47:02.461000+08:00","text":"伊朗不是炸？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:47:03.481000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:47:14.029000+08:00","text":"現在是荷姆茲在東邊，曼德在西邊，中間是沙烏地，他埋了一個油管，伊朗不是炸他油管？","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:47:14.169000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:47:14.369000+08:00","text":"沒有影響？","quality":1},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-13T09:47:15.246000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:47:17.227000+08:00","text":"目前他是有炸到他的加壓泵浦。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:47:18.608000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:47:18.829000+08:00","text":"那就有影響了。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-13T09:47:19.369000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:47:20.049000+08:00","text":"現在已經修復了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:47:20.950000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:47:42.686000+08:00","text":"好，我現在就問，川普因為美伊談判不順利，他要封鎖荷姆茲海峽，這個現在看起來40天，大家都講那個預備量40天不足，亞洲三個國家搶貨，日本、韓國跟我們，我們搶到多少？","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:47:43.106000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:47:44.107000+08:00","text":"這個要不要解釋一下？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-04-13T09:47:44.964000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:48:11.670000+08:00","text":"這個部分從中東戰事開始以來，經濟部每天開會，不管是原油、輕油或天然氣，我們當時採用的策略是假設荷姆茲海峽完全封閉，然後我們從其他的現貨市場跟非中東地區的油氣源來調度，目前都非常的正常，比如這兩天也有天然氣的靠港，跟原油貨輪……","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:48:11.670000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T09:48:16.361000+08:00","text":"從什麼地方來？","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-04-13T09:48:16.361000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:48:19.987000+08:00","text":"從歐洲，還有包括未來我們從……","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:48:19.987000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:48:21.669000+08:00","text":"美國不是油很多、氣很多？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:48:22.070000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:48:23.793000+08:00","text":"為什麼不跟美國多買一點？","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-04-13T09:48:23.793000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-0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1:12.837000+08:00","text":"安老百姓的心啊！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:51:14.138000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:51:19.801000+08:00","text":"不然現在美國CPI都已經漲3.3%了，臺灣壓得這麼低……","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-04-13T09:51:20.602000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:51:31.569000+08:00","text":"感謝行政院有相當多的鋪排，包括物價穩定，所以到目前為止，我們不像委員剛剛所說的其他國家，有這麼大的物價波動。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:51:33.243000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:51:44.159000+08:00","text":"嘴巴這樣講，我去旁邊的便利商店買個飲料，都漲10%了，這個東西就很奇怪，現在跟塑膠有關的都漲。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:51:45.641000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:51:47.203000+08:00","text":"請問，石油存量到底是多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:51:48.225000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:51:48.685000+08:00","text":"石油存量？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-04-13T09:51:50.504000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:51:54.486000+08:00","text":"石油存量目前超過了法定安全存量，甚至有超過……","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:51:54.826000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:51:54.826000+08:00","text":"石油幾天？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:51:56.067000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:51:56.187000+08:00","text":"石油幾天？120天？","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-04-13T09:51:56.947000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:51:59.248000+08:00","text":"法定的部分大概是90天。90天？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:51:59.628000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:52:00.909000+08:00","text":"我們超過了，是不是？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-04-13T09:52:00.909000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:52:02.130000+08:00","text":"我們都有超過。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:52:02.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:52:03.290000+08:00","text":"天然氣呢？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-04-13T09:52:03.290000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:52:05.171000+08:00","text":"天然氣是11天。11天？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:52:05.511000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:52:08.032000+08:00","text":"我們也超過？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-04-13T09:52:08.032000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T09:52:09.032000+08:00","text":"我們都超過。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-04-13T09:52:08.032000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:52:09.873000+08:00","text":"從開戰以來，每天都超過。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:52:10.513000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:52:11.174000+08:00","text":"核電什麼時候可以啟動？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-04-13T09:52:14.990000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:52:24.478000+08:00","text":"台電公司提出的自主現況安全評估報告，經濟部去年11月27號已經核定了台電的現況評估作業……","quality":0.763},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:52:24.478000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T09:52:25.478000+08:00","text":"最快、最快、最快什麼時候？","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-04-13T09:52:25.219000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:52:26.420000+08:00","text":"台電公司的核三廠再運轉計畫，在今年3月27號提出來，接下來台電公司……","quality":0.607},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:52:26.420000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T09:52:27.420000+08:00","text":"不、不，你告訴我時間，好不好？","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:52:26.420000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:52:26.920000+08:00","text":"最快明年可以嗎？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:52:26.920000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:52:26.980000+08:00","text":"2027年可以嗎？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-04-13T09:52:39.154000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:52:41.778000+08:00","text":"台電公司是一個電業的發電機關，他提出……來！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:52:42.719000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:52:43+08:00","text":"總經理講一下。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-04-13T09:52:43.761000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:52:46.725000+08:00","text":"再運轉計畫需要核安會的審查，依照核安會……","quality":0.722},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:52:46.825000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:52:50.410000+08:00","text":"現在已經在審查了，總經理，要不要講一下？","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"王總經理耀庭","start":"2026-04-13T09:52:52.494000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:52:54.535000+08:00","text":"報告委員，因為……","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:52:54.535000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:52:55.135000+08:00","text":"最樂觀啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:52:55.275000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:52:56.316000+08:00","text":"最樂觀什麼時候可以重啟？","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"王總經理耀庭","start":"2026-04-13T09:52:57.737000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:53:01.518000+08:00","text":"有一些東西是台電可以決定的，就是再運轉計畫什麼時候送，我們可以決定。","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:53:01.678000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:53:02.119000+08:00","text":"送了沒有？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王總經理耀庭","start":"2026-04-13T09:53:02.559000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:53:05.460000+08:00","text":"我們已經送了，核三的已經送了。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:53:07.461000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:53:08.702000+08:00","text":"核安部分，大概多久時間可以審查完畢？","quality":0.562},{"speaker":"王總經理耀庭","start":"2026-04-13T09:53:10.202000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:53:11.783000+08:00","text":"這個就要看核安會委員……","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:53:11.783000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:53:13.104000+08:00","text":"過去正常是多久時間？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"王總經理耀庭","start":"2026-04-13T09:53:13.104000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T09:53:15.969000+08:00","text":"這個我們沒有辦法幫他們……有啊！","quality":0.154},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:53:15.969000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:53:16.409000+08:00","text":"怎麼沒有？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:53:16.829000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:53:18.910000+08:00","text":"過去就是半年到一年半，怎麼沒有呢？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"王總經理耀庭","start":"2026-04-13T09:53:19.290000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:53:21.550000+08:00","text":"我們也希望他們快一點，但這個不是我們能決定的。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:53:21.611000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:53:24.111000+08:00","text":"所以只要一年、再一年，你們送了嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:53:24.271000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:53:28.353000+08:00","text":"再一年，那就是明年可以，就這個意思啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"王總經理耀庭","start":"2026-04-13T09:53:28.513000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:53:28.673000+08:00","text":"會儘快啦！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"王總經理耀庭","start":"2026-04-13T09:53:28.773000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:53:29.673000+08:00","text":"我想核安會會儘快。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:53:30.113000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:53:32.794000+08:00","text":"回過來，我還是要問次長還有中油董事長，3月份你們總共補貼了多少錢？","quality":0.759},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:53:32.874000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:53:32.934000+08:00","text":"凍漲部分，補貼多少錢？","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-04-13T09:53:42.404000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:53:46.986000+08:00","text":"到3月份，油價部分大概吸收了90億左右。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:53:49.467000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:53:55.690000+08:00","text":"90億，如果4月份繼續這樣子，再90億，每個月補貼90億，一直到10月，是不是這個意思？","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-04-13T09:53:57.071000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:53:58.912000+08:00","text":"我們現在會依照油價的公式……好……","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-04-13T09:53:59.632000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:54:05.875000+08:00","text":"到目前為止，中油累積吸收了107.3億，這是關於油品的部分。","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:54:06.576000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:54:08.156000+08:00","text":"好，請教央行副總裁。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"嚴副總裁宗大","start":"2026-04-13T09:54:16.673000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:54:17.633000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:54:20.355000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:54:29.261000+08:00","text":"原來央行總裁預估全年油價平均是85塊錢，現在美伊談判不順利，這個數字要不要修正？","quality":0.829},{"speaker":"嚴副總裁宗大","start":"2026-04-13T09:54:31.403000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:54:33.484000+08:00","text":"我們講的85塊是全年均價。對啊！對啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:54:34.165000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:54:35.426000+08:00","text":"但未來一定都一百多啊！","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"嚴副總裁宗大","start":"2026-04-13T09:54:36.641000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:54:37.824000+08:00","text":"如果未來均價到100時，我們當然會上修我們的CPI預測值。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:54:44.965000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:55:10.782000+08:00","text":"伊朗要用比特幣計算荷姆茲海峽通行費，過去央行對加密貨幣，比如比特幣之類的，一直都是嗤之以鼻，瞧不起，認為它不是法定貨幣等等，可是現在越來越多國家要用加密貨幣，央行的看法要不要改變一下？","quality":0.845},{"speaker":"嚴副總裁宗大","start":"2026-04-13T09:55:13.718000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:55:27.402000+08:00","text":"報告委員，在虛擬資產服務法裡面，對於穩定幣我們是持正面看法，未來如果臺灣發行這種不管新臺幣或者美元的穩定幣，我們都是持正面看法。","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:55:27.562000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:55:29.643000+08:00","text":"所以你們瞧不起比特幣、瞧不起以太幣，但瞧得起穩定幣，就這個意思，是不是？","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"嚴副總裁宗大","start":"2026-04-13T09:55:32.844000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:55:37.432000+08:00","text":"因為那不是所謂的真正貨幣，具有貨幣功能……","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:55:38.393000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:55:38.734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:"2026-04-13T09:58:37.996000+08:00","text":"所以對於立法院通過的法案，你這樣完全是卓榮泰院長的思維，你們就變成是太上皇嘛！","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:58:38.756000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:58:39.117000+08:00","text":"不是太上皇……","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:58:40.177000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:58:44.239000+08:00","text":"民主國家就是依法行政，三讀通過的法律你照做，結果你們現在卻說不可以……","quality":0.645},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:58:46.199000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:58:47.180000+08:00","text":"但是執行確有困難啊！","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:58:47.180000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:58:50.601000+08:00","text":"有困難，你可以提覆議啊！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:58:50.821000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:58:51.561000+08:00","text":"執行有困難，可以提覆議啊！","quality":0.364},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:58:52.762000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:58:53.002000+08:00","text":"覆議提過啦！","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:58:55.023000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:58:55.323000+08:00","text":"但不過啊！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:58:55.563000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:58:57.764000+08:00","text":"不過，你就要照做，就變成這樣啊！好啦！","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:58:57.904000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:58:58.644000+08:00","text":"今天沒時間跟你吵這個啦！","quality":0.455},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:59:01.145000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:59:01.145000+08:00","text":"是，謝謝，謝謝。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-13T09:59:01.505000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:59:05.327000+08:00","text":"後天要有誠意，就大家各讓一點，我是跟你講，這可以讓啦！是、是。","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-13T09:59:08.267000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:59:11.038000+08:00","text":"主計長，禮拜三再好好來做後續的協商，謝謝賴士葆委員的質詢。","quality":0.538},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-13T09:59:11.538000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T09:59:14.109429+08:00","text":"接下來請郭國文委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}