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引起很大的討論"},{"start":299.315,"end":322.211,"text":"我們現在討論的不是台南市這個亞太棒球場外這種攤商招標的個案我要講的是這個個案所引發的通案你這個個案為什麼要跟大家討論因為亞太棒球場外面的攤商一公告是4月4日4月4日就結標了那你4月2日一公告"},{"start":323.544,"end":346.558,"text":"那第二天就開始休假4月3號4號5號6號連續休4天的清明連假然後連假結束4月7號就結標就停止收標了4月8號開標我算一下他的天數啦是合法啦 合規啦但是我認為啊"},{"start":348.106,"end":356.626,"text":"有改善的空間啦因為你這個可能會形成公平性的問題啦你想說你四月四日你開廟回來休四天"},{"start":359.172,"end":384.921,"text":"廉價料理就要截止所以想要參與的投標廠商他幾乎沒有什麼可以準備的時間除非你事先知道有這個標案你就可能形成會有不公平的一個質疑我要是現在我準備好了以這樣的時間點當然我是最優先我事先已經知道有這個標案"},{"start":386.141,"end":406.389,"text":"否則的話一般的廠商大家都會被這樣的一個公告時間給壓縮到其實工程會也知道這種事情這種狀況所以工程會在今年春節期間我們工程會就有特別發文請各機關你那個等標期就是你開標到結標中間的這個期限你如果賭的廉價應該要延長"},{"start":411.756,"end":437.054,"text":"因為那時候春節 今年好像休了九天 十天所以工程會特別發這個文原因就是說 希望能夠跳過這個連假但是啦 很多單位啊接下來他就是以 只要合乎規定因為你是要低於公告金額的就是差不多一百五十萬以內你只要五天嘛 電子零標五天嘛"},{"start":437.901,"end":459.549,"text":"所以他就不會去考量你這中間有沒有廉價的問題所以我們工廠會是不是就這一點啊能夠做進一步的的一個改善如果以後遇到有廉價的狀況那麼是不是應該啊要來跳過去我請副主委好來請副主委"},{"start":461.095,"end":485.113,"text":"委員好 謝謝委員這個問題那因為上禮拜大概有接到這樣的一個個案那我就有特別去了解一下目前等標期的設計確實誠如委員所講的那原則上我們是訂一個最低的這個等標期的期間但當然它必須符合這個所謂的合理性"},{"start":486.434,"end":511.547,"text":"但是問題是這個就過於的這個有點概括啦每個機關的理解不太一樣所以目前那麼我在內部的研究上面原理的方向可能會是朝理論上應該是他實際上有在工作的時間來定這個等標題比較合線比較合理啦所以目前的檢討方向會是往這個方向來檢討"},{"start":513.618,"end":520.996,"text":"因為目前的規定我們這個招票期限標準他第11條他有寫到他這是大概考量到禮拜五"},{"start":522.584,"end":549.285,"text":"我們目前只規定到禮拜五如果是禮拜五公告那期算是你從禮拜一開始算你要跳過禮拜六禮拜天你是考量到這一點可是那個連假有時候更可怕台灣的連假他們假期非常多尤其盡量調的讓它連在一起我來看一下你今年清明節我想說為什麼會不會是個案你看有這麼多機關包括國防部軍醫局"},{"start":550.966,"end":562.189,"text":"經濟部產業管理局 台北分局 高雄農總 他們一樣都是4月2號公告 捷標路都是4月7號中間都卡到4月3 4 5 6 這四天連假都卡在這個標案這個等標期間啦 這個會造成"},{"start":570.218,"end":591.429,"text":"這個很多人的來不及備標或者是我會質疑除非你有內定廠商你已經首先有人在準備了不然你怎麼會有讓投標廠商來備標呢我希望這一點工程會在未來應該把它納入考量你這考量到禮拜五跳過禮拜六日從禮拜一開始算但這個廉價更嚴重好不好好 我們謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-13T09:34:56.106000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:34:56.286000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-13T09:34:56.906000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:34:59.149000+08:00","text":"本席要請我們工程會陳金德主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-13T09:35:00.049000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:35:00.790000+08:00","text":"請陳金德主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-04-13T09:35:00.790000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T09:35:06.376000+08:00","text":"委員早。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-13T09:35:06.376000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:35:06.576000+08:00","text":"主委好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-13T09:35:08.117000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:35:26.861000+08:00","text":"我今天要跟你探討一些問題，第一個，六都唯一沒有捷運的就是我們臺南，臺南目前捷運的進度最快，甚至可望在今年完成發包正式動工的就是藍線。","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-13T09:35:31.616000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:35:50.952000+08:00","text":"藍線在去年要核定它的綜合規劃，我在這邊要感謝工程會的同仁，去年一路以來，就臺南市捷運藍線綜合規劃的核定給我們很多專業的協助，現在要進入最後一個最重要的，就是經費審議，要先審定經費，全部經費總共327億。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-13T09:35:50.972000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:36:22.176000+08:00","text":"這條藍線是臺南市進度最快，也可望是第一條動工的捷運線，從永康到東區接到仁德，這三區都是人口稠密的行政區，差不多50萬人口數。","quality":0.891},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-13T09:36:23.617000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:36:44.148000+08:00","text":"最北邊大概從永康大橋，也就是我們說的永康奇美醫院，往南來到臺南市東區的平實營區，然後有一個向東到仁德的中山路，那邊有設一個機廠，總長大概8.5公里。","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-13T09:36:45.268000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:37:10.088000+08:00","text":"這條線很特殊，它是在賴清德市長任內開始進行可行性研究，到賴清德做行政院院長的時候核定路線，他現在當總統，其任內也可望即將動工，所以這是階段性的持續推動，你看，這樣已經經過十幾年的時間。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-13T09:37:11.529000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:37:28.283000+08:00","text":"明天（4月14日），你們工程會剛好要到臺南現場去勘查這條捷運，接下來就開始進行最後一關的經費審定。","quality":0.732},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-13T09:37:30.164000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:37:37.769000+08:00","text":"這個部分是不是請工程會能夠再像過去一樣，儘速地來協助我們處理？","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-13T09:37:38.449000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:37:45.194000+08:00","text":"經費一核定，接下來就可以進行工程發包，希望能夠在今年如期動工。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-13T09:37:46.314000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:37:47.415000+08:00","text":"請教工程會陳主委的看法？","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-04-13T09:37:47.415000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T09:37:48.476000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-04-13T09:37:48.476000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:38:27.260000+08:00","text":"的確臺南是六都裡面最後一個要建置捷運的城市，這個基本設計審查工程會初步有經過一些初審，明天上午會邀集相關委員到現地去看，現勘之後也在臺南立即召開最後一次的審查會議，所以明天審查會如果委員都同意或只有一些小修正，本案就算最後核定了，核定之後，臺南市政府當然就可以依據核定的基本設計跟經費進行相關發包作業。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-04-13T09:38:27.260000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:38:33.184000+08:00","text":"因為現在才4月，所以應該可以儘速來辦理發包的工作。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-13T09:38:35.025000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:38:35.805000+08:00","text":"感謝主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-13T09:38:36.626000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:38:36.966000+08:00","text":"明天是誰帶隊？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-04-13T09:38:38.266000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:38:41.588000+08:00","text":"我跟李副主委，還有相關的主管都會下去。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-13T09:38:41.888000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:38:56.837000+08:00","text":"非常感謝，希望能夠儘速地做經費審議的核定，因為藍線是第一條，接下來當然還有南延線，因為這條做好之後，就會往南延伸到高鐵。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-13T09:38:58.939000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:39:19.649000+08:00","text":"現在高鐵臺南站一年的人次超過1,000萬，這些人出來都沒有大眾運輸、沒有捷運，只有轉運巴士而已，希望能夠再增加捷運，讓旅客進出高鐵臺南站能夠更方便。","quality":0.859},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-13T09:39:20.269000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:39:30.714000+08:00","text":"這條要先做，這條就在市區的心臟地帶，所以我們寄予厚望，請工程會也謝謝工程會繼續給我們協助。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-13T09:39:32.035000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:39:37.477000+08:00","text":"另外要跟主委探討一件事情，是關於我們的一項法規。","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-13T09:39:37.477000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:39:59.363000+08:00","text":"前幾天，臺南市亞太棒球場周邊的攤商招標引起很大的討論，我現在討論的不是臺南市亞太棒球場外攤商招標的個案，我要講的是由該個案所引發的通案。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-13T09:40:00.483000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:40:02.565000+08:00","text":"這個個案為什麼引起大家的討論？","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-13T09:40:02.565000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:40:04.286000+08:00","text":"因為亞太棒球場外面的攤商招標案在4月2號公告，但4月7號就截標了！","qualit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