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次長次長那我們請暫停一下謝謝"},{"start":420.563,"end":443.246,"text":"你難道忘了彭坤業案嗎?當年黃國昌立委揭發時任高檢署長官、檢察官彭坤業在桃園地檢署期間接受前任法務部長那時候他擔任國安委諮詢委員邱泰山官說這個不法利益超過5億成為法界的一大醜聞市長你知道哪些機關曾提出就這個案子?我剛剛講這個案子有提出報告跟新聞稿嗎?你知道嗎?"},{"start":445.176,"end":457.929,"text":"你不知道?好,那我讓次長看次長你看高檢署有提出調查報告啊監察院有提出這個新聞稿啊但是最終怎麼樣呢法務部就讓彭坤業提早退休免罰官逃過一劫"},{"start":459.711,"end":477.817,"text":"這就是法務部處理的方式嗎?你能接受這樣的結果嗎?連承認法務部部長帶頭關說都來進行關說,那人民怎麼能相信檢調系統不存在上級施壓呢?所以面對這麼大的事件被護航,難怪人民對司法信任度一直都是三成多,我就形容的死當啦"},{"start":478.917,"end":498.727,"text":"那次長您今天是代表部長來行政司法最高的機關就是法務部那您今天代表次長部長我想請教你你是否願意真的認真去面對思考如何改變不要只求任內無事可以平安下莊好嗎我今天給你很具體的資料喔"},{"start":500.05,"end":527.031,"text":"我們是那個常務次長是文官沒有安全下莊的問題就是我們如果說要講的是政務官的部分其實以法務部的角度來看您今天就代表部長出席代表部長出席只能回答部裡面相關問題我們還是如果說談論到說安全下莊的話那我們這個次檢察官我是希望大家都沒有這樣的心態我今天就是把資料而且就一五一十的就分析給您聽"},{"start":527.831,"end":537.384,"text":"那我們希望很多事情要務必求真嘛那沒有上去 這個要把司法的這個低分嘛使到的分數要把它搶辦法把它贏回來嘛好 謝謝市長謝謝謝謝主席"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:49:57.069000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:49:57.089000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:49:57.149000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:49:57.530000+08:00","text":"有請馮次長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-13T09:50:01.198000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:50:01.218000+08:00","text":"請馮次長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"馮次長成","start":"2026-04-13T09:50:01.218000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T09:50:11.406000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:50:11.406000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:50:11.406000+08:00","text":"次長早。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:50:11.406000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:50:31.294000+08:00","text":"這兩張截圖是來自法務部調查局和內政部警政署的通緝犯查詢系統，涉及八八會館地下匯兌案的林秉文在2024年棄保潛逃，潛逃期間他還可以玩臉書po文，大家都很好奇這麼高調的通緝犯背後到底是有多大的靠山在挺？","quality":0.934},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:50:32.655000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:50:38.620000+08:00","text":"但是調查局的系統上面寫著，可能潛逃的地點是洛杉磯。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:50:38.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:50:45.025000+08:00","text":"我先請教次長，通常法務部是如何判斷可能潛逃的地點？","quality":1},{"speaker":"馮次長成","start":"2026-04-13T09:50:46.487000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:50:57.356000+08:00","text":"其實我們所屬的調查局或廉政署在偵辦案件之中，會依照他們的權責去處理，法務部在個案上不會做這樣的判斷。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:51:00.035000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:51:02.376000+08:00","text":"所以您不知道是怎麼樣判斷他的潛逃地點？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"馮次長成","start":"2026-04-13T09:51:04.117000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:51:08.799000+08:00","text":"檢察機關會針對個案的狀況來做不同的情況判斷。","quality":0.762},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:51:11.940000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:51:15.961000+08:00","text":"我相信所有人都看到今年3月下旬這一堆新聞，標題不外乎是洗錢教父林秉文在柬埔寨身中29槍後身亡，臉孔還被砍到面目全非。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:51:16.081000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:51:38.811000+08:00","text":"由於他背後牽扯太多黨政人士，而且關係複雜，牽涉無數的高官顯貴，並且他的犯行涉及巨大的金流，因為他號稱林百億。","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:51:38.811000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:51:48.656000+08:00","text":"但是他中槍身亡，臉部被砍到面目全非之後，先前所涉及的詐欺、洗錢案，這些罪行、人事物最後都可能一筆勾銷，會去公訴不受理撤銷通緝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:51:48.796000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:52:00.615000+08:00","text":"我要請教次長，在這樣的狀況下，林秉文死亡這則訊息的真實性是否變得很重要呢？","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"馮次長成","start":"2026-04-13T09:52:03.412000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:52:05.834000+08:00","text":"當然法務部的政策……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:52:06.114000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:52:08.036000+08:00","text":"請你簡要回答，他的死亡真實性是不是很重要？","quality":0.632},{"speaker":"馮次長成","start":"2026-04-13T09:52:08.236000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:52:08.636000+08:00","text":"非常重要。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:52:11.158000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:52:21.245000+08:00","text":"林秉文在通緝期間高調po文，檢調依舊找不到人，以為他在美國逃亡，剛剛檢調的資料是這麼寫，結果他出現在柬埔寨。","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:52:22.386000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:52:27.710000+08:00","text":"林秉文一死，人事時地物馬上被報導，反差也太大了吧？","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:52:28.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:52:30.831000+08:00","text":"這個反差留給大眾很多的想像空間，所以我要請教次長，如果報導資訊屬實，身中29槍而且面目全非，真的能確定是本人嗎？","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:52:30.831000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:52:31.811000+08:00","text":"臺灣跟柬埔寨之間並沒有司法互助合作，請問警政署跟法務部要怎麼查核通緝犯是否死亡？","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:52:31.831000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:52:31.911000+08:00","text":"請簡單回答。","quality":1},{"speaker":"馮次長成","start":"2026-04-13T09:52:51.018000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:53:01.262000+08:00","text":"有關這個案件的相關細節，柬埔寨警方都表示還尚待調查，所以會很慎重地處理真實性的部分。","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"馮次長成","start":"2026-04-13T09:53:01.962000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:53:02.563000+08:00","text":"以上回答委員的問題。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:53:03.970000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:53:08.511000+08:00","text":"我先請教有沒有比對過指紋跟DNA，你曉得嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"馮次長成","start":"2026-04-13T09:53:08.511000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:53:11.731000+08:00","text":"這個部分柬埔寨警方會進一步調查。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:53:11.951000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:53:12.932000+08:00","text":"這就是我的重點。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:53:12.932000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:53:21.713000+08:00","text":"因為我下一個就要請教你，到底是我們的警方、檢方去採樣，還是完全仰賴柬埔寨警方提供的資訊而已？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:53:22.293000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:53:26.514000+08:00","text":"柬埔寨不也是被視為詐欺王國之一嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:53:26.514000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:53:29.374000+08:00","text":"林秉文要買通人來詐欺有困難嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:53:30.735000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:53:32.375000+08:00","text":"你覺得柬埔寨提供資料就可以了嗎？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:53:33.395000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:53:37.598000+08:00","text":"你說還在等，難道他們給的資料，你就全信了嗎？","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"馮次長成","start":"2026-04-13T09:53:39.319000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:53:55.951000+08:00","text":"我國駐胡志明市辦事處兼轄柬埔寨的外館人員，還有警政署刑事局駐該地的聯絡官都共同在了解，而且協助家屬處理指認跟後續事宜，這部分會慎重處理，請委員放心。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:53:56.852000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:54:01.155000+08:00","text":"我還有下面的議題要請教你，通緝犯詐死不是沒有先例。","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:54:01.175000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:54:20.327000+08:00","text":"2000年前臺銀襄理陳守樸盜賣了10.2億公債被通緝，他的妻子還聲稱接獲陳守樸在中國車禍死亡的消息，陳守樸卻在中國把錢洗到美國，最後是因為他超過追訴期，給予不起訴處分。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:54:21.507000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:54:31.811000+08:00","text":"去年5月臺中地檢署針對詐團金主詹姓男子發布通緝，隔月就收到他在柬埔寨心肌梗塞死亡的消息。","quality":0.829},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:54:32.492000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:54:44.659000+08:00","text":"為了防範詐死，所以等待家屬把遺體空運回臺後，鑑識人員到現場採證指紋比對檢體，確認他是本人之後，才予以不起訴處分。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:54:45.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:54:54.450000+08:00","text":"我接下來就要請教次長，你剛剛都沒有回答到重點，負責偵辦林秉文案件的新北地檢署是否也應該採取一樣的做法呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"馮次長成","start":"2026-04-13T09:54:57.646000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:55:03.009000+08:00","text":"地檢署有相關的作業，法務部會請地檢署慎重看待這個案件。","quality":1},{"speaker":"馮次長成","start":"2026-04-13T09:55:03.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:55:09.173000+08:00","text":"至於警方，警政署對這個案件也會很重視。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"馮次長成","start":"2026-04-13T09:55:09.334000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:55:14.097000+08:00","text":"事實上，對真實性一定會詳加檢查，這部分請委員放心。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:55:15.682000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:55:19.006000+08:00","text":"你就是要有具體的方法，人家是這麼在確認。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"馮次長成","start":"2026-04-13T09:55:19.306000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:55:25.332000+08:00","text":"因為涉及到境外犯罪偵查，其實警方在國外執法……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:55:26.133000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:55:39.527000+08:00","text":"別人做得到，你也做得到，而且這麼重大，我剛剛一開始就把他的背景告訴你，牽涉的黨政人士這麼多、牽涉金額這麼大，然後面目全非，你可以說他已經死亡了嗎？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:55:39.527000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:55:43.431000+08:00","text":"這個東西不是隨便可以決定的，你要確認是他本人。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:55:44.693000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:55:46.775000+08:00","text":"這件事情我會繼續再追查下去！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:55:48.376000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:55:53.561000+08:00","text":"你有看過檢察總長被提名徐錫祥回答民眾黨的問卷嗎？","quality":0.739},{"speaker":"馮次長成","start":"2026-04-13T09:55:53.561000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:55:54.082000+08:00","text":"我有看過。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:55:56.284000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:56:03.970000+08:00","text":"請教次長，今天是次長代表，徐被提名人的回答有一句話：「在過去會看到的司法關說或上級施壓，已經不太看到了」，請問徐被提名人所謂的上級施壓，你認為具體內容是什麼？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:56:03.970000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:56:04.370000+08:00","text":"是怎麼樣的施壓法？","quality":1},{"speaker":"馮次長成","start":"2026-04-13T09:56:14.008000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:56:16.910000+08:00","text":"徐被提名人的說法……","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:56:18.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:56:25.473000+08:00","text":"他在回答問卷的時候，以白紙黑字說，過去的司法關說或上級施壓，現在已經不太看得到了，你認為他講的上級施壓是指什麼呢？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"馮次長成","start":"2026-04-13T09:56:25.633000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:56:28.534000+08:00","text":"我認同徐被提名人的說法。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"馮次長成","start":"2026-04-13T09:56:28.794000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:56:33.656000+08:00","text":"因為以我擔任檢察官工作，辦案也從來沒有遇過上級長官施壓。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:56:34.216000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:56:35.857000+08:00","text":"你沒有遇過，你知道嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:56:35.857000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:56:38.937000+08:00","text":"他白紙黑字這樣寫，你知道嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:56:38.937000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:56:39.638000+08:00","text":"有沒有上級……","quality":1},{"speaker":"馮次長成","start":"2026-04-13T09:56:40.078000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:56:54.342000+08:00","text":"徐被提名人在當檢察官的過程中，一定都是嚴守我們的……我們都是看證據，也看程序，也會注意保障人權，不會看什麼長官來施壓，就改變我們的看法，這是檢察官基本的素養。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:56:54.762000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:56:56.603000+08:00","text":"次長，請暫停一下，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:56:57.563000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:56:59.585000+08:00","text":"你難道忘了彭坤業案嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:56:59.585000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:57:14.200000+08:00","text":"當年黃國昌立委揭發，時任高檢署主任檢察官彭坤業在桃園地檢署期間，接受前任法務部長、當時擔任國安會諮詢委員的邱太三關說，不法利益超過5億，成為法界一大醜聞。","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:57:15.461000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:57:20.025000+08:00","text":"次長，你知道哪些機關就我剛剛講的這個案子曾提出報告跟新聞稿嗎？","quality":0.759},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:57:20.025000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:57:20.246000+08:00","text":"你知道嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"馮次長成","start":"2026-04-13T09:57:20.246000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T09:57:22.176000+08:00","text":"我沒有注意。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:57:22.176000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:57:24.398000+08:00","text":"你不知道，我讓次長看。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:57:25.139000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:57:31.626000+08:00","text":"你看高檢署有提出調查報告，監察院有提出新聞稿，但是最終怎麼樣呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:57:32.126000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:57:38.492000+08:00","text":"法務部就讓彭坤業提早退休，免拔官、逃過一劫，這就是法務處理的方式嗎？","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:57:38.492000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:57:40.752000+08:00","text":"你能接受這樣的結果嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:57:40.752000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:57:47.815000+08:00","text":"連曾任法務部部長都帶頭關說、進行關說，人民怎麼能相信檢調系統不存在上級施壓呢？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:57:48.515000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:57:54.797000+08:00","text":"面對這麼大的事件被護航，難怪人民對司法信任度一直都是三成多，我的形容就是死當！","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:57:56.157000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:58:14.046000+08:00","text":"次長今天是代表部長來，行政司法最高的機關就是法務部，既然您今天代表部長，我想請教你，你是否願意真的認真面對、思考如何改變，不要只求任內無事可以平安下莊，好嗎？","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:58:14.046000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:58:15.487000+08:00","text":"我今天給你很具體的資料。","quality":1},{"speaker":"馮次長成","start":"2026-04-13T09:58:17.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:58:21.293000+08:00","text":"我是常務次長，是文官，沒有安全下莊的問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"馮次長成","start":"2026-04-13T09:58:22.394000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:58:27.138000+08:00","text":"如果要講的是政務官的部分，其實以法務部的角度來看，事實上……","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:58:27.978000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:58:29.059000+08:00","text":"您今天就代表部長備詢。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"馮次長成","start":"2026-04-13T09:58:30.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:58:33.743000+08:00","text":"我代表部長出席，只能回答本部相關的問題。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"馮次長成","start":"2026-04-13T09:58:34.563000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:58:38.867000+08:00","text":"如果談論到安全下莊，這個是檢察官的……","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:58:38.927000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:58:40.868000+08:00","text":"我希望大家都沒有這樣的心態。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:58:40.868000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:58:44.031000+08:00","text":"我今天就把資料一五一十分析給你聽。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:58:44.971000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:58:49.898000+08:00","text":"我們希望很多事情要務必求真，沒有上級……要把司法的低分……","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"馮次長成","start":"2026-04-13T09:58:49.898000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T09:58:51.159000+08:00","text":"我們一定會做好分內的工作。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:58:51.159000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:58:53.142000+08:00","text":"要想辦法把死當的分數贏回來嘛！","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:58:54.023000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:58:54.243000+08:00","text":"謝謝次長。謝謝。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-13T09:58:54.243000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T09:58:54.364000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席（陳委員昭姿代）","start":"2026-04-13T09:58:54.864000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T09:58:58.292571+08:00","text":"接下來有請翁曉玲委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}