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謝謝我們切正次現在請NCC國家通信委員會陳崇樹主委來報告"},{"start":2488.82,"end":2509.057,"text":"主席各位委員大家好那就是很榮幸應邀參加經營的專案報告那當然是颱風的災前應變這個專案報告大概分為幾個部分事前事中事後事前的災前應變的話NCC這邊一向都會來依據災防法來要求業者提報"},{"start":2510.358,"end":2537.984,"text":"災害防救業務計畫然後每兩年要做檢討滾動檢討然後我們NCC也有請業者來進駐我們南區監理處進行災害防救聯合演練來盤點相關的動員效率及救援能量強化災時協調的機制那當那次颱風造成受損都是市中的通報跟應變的部分"},{"start":2540.14,"end":2552.817,"text":"7月6日晚間在颱風登陸之後那最高峰時期有12000多戶設化停化行入台如前面所提到的也有1200多台來中斷"},{"start":2555.901,"end":2583.443,"text":"這大範圍的損毀狀況在事後的復原上也確實讓業者花費不少的力氣那颱風離境後風雨間歇我們有請業者趕快跨區調派人力物力包括像一些行動車從北中從花東都往那邊去調最高峰時期總共有43部行動基地台車前往雲江南來支援"},{"start":2584.344,"end":2611.156,"text":"那目前到7月31日目前在市化部分還有台南北門跟雪甲地區大概還有一些市化用戶數還是沒有通那後來又因為好雨的關係也影響了業者的派工進行那這邊我們也會持續來加強注意請業者來在環境許可情況下趕快去派工把它修復那"},{"start":2612.376,"end":2638.522,"text":"因為有很多的基台在風災時是因為獨立型鐵塔式的都已經被吹倒那因為原來的高度都30公尺到35公尺那倒下來之後那雖然是業者很快就以臨時工法來方式來佈建這個臨時基站但是因為高度的差異造成的涵蓋面沒有災前這麼好那我們也請業者就這一部分請"},{"start":2639.542,"end":2667.497,"text":"究竟旁邊已經有修復的基地台調整天氣角度來補足涵蓋也派行動車來補足這個臨時基站所涵蓋部署的地方那目前大概每天大概都還有30餘部行動車在災區來部署那在前幾天好雨之後這些資源的數量都持續在這個30幾部左右"},{"start":2668.877,"end":2691.772,"text":"事後的檢討部分我們簡單來講是我們希望未來的業者在災害防救要強化它的韌性機台部分要請業者建置能夠更多的有富士涵蓋的一些部件然後也持續在推動公有建築物的政策"},{"start":2692.512,"end":2720.505,"text":"也希望業者優化通信品質那剛剛確切提到了這個高抗災基地台部分我們也會持續來督導業者來爭取申請那另外本次風災因為有很多是復發就是後傳的傳輸網路是光線是復發在電感上因為電感倒了3000多根所以這個災情嚴重那這一部分的話"},{"start":2723.159,"end":2751.635,"text":"衛星中繼在災時最高峰時期是唯一能夠支援的行動車那這部分我們未來也會持續來協調業者跟相關部會來做一些能量上的加強建構另外最後在電纜地下化可行的部分我們也請業者規劃電纜地下化或增加感性鐵塔的抗風係數雖然目前我們NCC的"},{"start":2752.748,"end":2773.562,"text":"技術規範有要求到抗16級風那這部分但是這部分舊的工法裡頭大概可能是抗風係數還不夠未來我們都會來持續加強那另外通訊中斷的補償部分大概分兩大區塊第一個是依據地形化契約我們都有持續要求業者務必要從寬認定"},{"start":2776.204,"end":2803.372,"text":"那另外是業者自發性的提出相關的關懷措施跟補償那目前三大行動業者都額外贈送受災用戶連續兩個月網路外300分鐘的通話數那因為災情的持續配合這個好雨的又後來又失眠那我們這段期間都有請三大業者要建構專線客服專線那目前三大業者這個專線都已經上線"},{"start":2805.956,"end":2819.971,"text":"最後捷域的部分通訊是八大關鍵基礎設施的一個重要的一環也是所謂的生命線那這邊無論就在於指揮或者民眾的通報上都需要仰賴通訊這邊NCC會持續來督導業者"},{"start":2823.772,"end":2851.104,"text":"提升災時搶救能量以備援那也會配合數位部協助業者提升數位韌性以上報告敬請委員支持謝謝好謝謝NCC我們陳主委的報告各位委員因為我們這個議事錄議事人員已經先讀完畢請問各位委員議事錄有沒有意見"},{"start":2853.029,"end":2866.407,"text":"好沒有意見我們就議事錄確定好現在我們接下來請兩個單位我們就是摘要來報告首先我們再請中華電信我們簡董事長來檢要報告"},{"start":2880.607,"end":2898.323,"text":"主席還有各位委員各位女士各位先生大家早今天應邀到貴委員會來就位丹娜施風災通信終端跟復原的檢討做一些報告我想我因為前面兩位長官大概把狀況都做了一些說明我大概檢要報告"},{"start":2899.243,"end":2910.187,"text":"這一次的通訊中斷跟復原過程這個是7月5日以來百年難得罕見的清洗台灣的西南部所以就中華電信來看我們市化總共有14000多戶寬頻大概46000戶MOD上網大概41000戶"},{"start":2921.491,"end":2949.798,"text":"那行動基地台我們總共有1075台來倒掉電線桿 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web進去齁第一時間把主要重要的地方的這個通訊把他這個因為導覽多台把通訊這個能夠涵蓋起來另外我們對於沒有導台的部分齁有電的部分我們把它調整角度所以在整個中華電信的行動涵蓋部分齁很快在短期間內可能一兩天就基本上現在大概涵蓋"},{"start":3055.24,"end":3075.682,"text":"都沒有特別問題那剩下這個三十五台主要剛才陳主委報告的這三十五台主要是鐵塔整個太高了整個壞掉那這些需要花一點時間在建這個高塔所以這部分我們也努力調動能力在搶修當中預計看看八月底這邊"},{"start":3076.443,"end":3099.751,"text":"有沒有繼續把他整個鐵塔修好那此次中華電信的這個投入的人大概是有6900多個人次現在每天大概都還有250到300人在當地在台南嘉義當地在做這個搶修部分那我想這個事情發生之後我想對客戶的關懷啦或者是剛才陳主委的這個檢免我們兩個月"},{"start":3102.172,"end":3107.155,"text":"行動通訊會每個月300分鐘兩個月就600分鐘就已經啟動了客戶的關懷、檢免的部分以及帳單玩腳這部分我們都已經有實施針對此次的檢討部分我覺得有幾個地方可以提供就是說"},{"start":3121.545,"end":3139.344,"text":"這個行動的部分在基地台的高抗災的基地台要多建一些目前全台灣270台在這個台灣嘉義地方大概30幾個高抗台所以在偏鄉的高抗台我們也許可以再增進一些另外個業者"},{"start":3141.007,"end":3168.857,"text":"尤其中華電信對於行動基地台的儲能讓他能夠因為風災倒台的時間慢一點如果能夠做到一台可以8小時那不是每一台而是跳台來建對偏鄉的韌性會有提升這部分我們本身就會來建設另外我們也跟台電在合作因為我們的基網上面都有我們的基地台那希望台電因為在各個地方都有所以我們也跟台電"},{"start":3169.717,"end":3194.943,"text":"台電也很謝謝台電這一次能夠大家談在台電的幾個主要關鍵的地方能夠建過基地台這樣對於通訊任性跟救災會有相當大的幫助有關低中高軌衛星的使用我就不特別報告這一次低軌衛星有用到雲層比較厚也許會有阻礙但是我們同時在行動車裡面我們也搭配我們的同步軌道衛星"},{"start":3195.763,"end":3223.375,"text":"所以雲層比較好的狀況我們會啟動我們的這個同步軌道高軌道的這個衛星來讓我們的移動車能夠也很順暢在災區災民或者是救災所使用那以上簡單報告好謝謝我們中華電信的簡董事長現在請行政院災害防災防救辦公室我們王主任王一文主任來報告"},{"start":3237.621,"end":3257.468,"text":"主席各位委員先進大家早安大家好那麼首先我們來說明一下丹納斯颱風是1958年來由南而北穿越台灣海峽由嘉義登陸的颱風最大陣風達到17級而且沒有中央山脈的阻擋造成各種的災情"},{"start":3258.388,"end":3274.509,"text":"那麼中央災害面中心依這個標準作業程序立即開設那麼我們對於整個颱風的作業都非常的嚴謹那麼對於丹納斯颱風現在進入復原重建的階段"},{"start":3275.63,"end":3296.178,"text":"行政院卓院長已經昨天已經指示將會提出丹納斯颱風災後復原重建的特別條例那對於在政策上會非常迅速的提供相關有效的一個資源在通訊電力的一個部分包括基地台光監骨幹固網緊急電信衛星通訊備援我們來強化關於災後的相關的通訊韌性"},{"start":3303.021,"end":3313.232,"text":"那麼首先我就非常簡單短的說明丹納斯颱風應變的一些概述那中央災害面中心在7月5號成立發布開設那麼在18日11時"},{"start":3321.5,"end":3336.034,"text":"進入的一個重建的一個階段那麼在過程當中整合跨部會的資源開設了19次工作匯報以及勤資研判那這個期間呢地方政府也都開設地方層級的應變中心"},{"start":3337.836,"end":3362.301,"text":"那這張竅書已經解除丹納颱風的陸上颱風警報但是整個行政院的團隊以及跨部會的工作群組我們是持續在運作那第二項關於電力及通訊的損失那這個部分百萬戶的停電當然也影響到通訊那集體台因為強風、好雨受損1293座剛才不論是速發部或通傳會的"},{"start":3367.682,"end":3390.114,"text":"一個主委都講得非常的清楚那通訊的一個中斷的一個應處在中央災害應變中心開設的一個階段對於停電及通訊中斷我們都有掌握災情而且請台電跟通訊業者派出搶修的一個團隊全力進入搶修的一個作業"},{"start":3390.994,"end":3407.784,"text":"那麼中央戰略面中心在調度行動基地台的一個部分也非常感謝通傳會的一個協助將各式的一個通訊的一個車輛比如說累積出動的人39410人次各項的通訊車次"},{"start":3410.766,"end":3424.42,"text":"機具都全力搶修那在復原重建的一個部分行政院公共工程委員會已經成立丹納斯颱風的一個專案由陳金德政委來督導協調召開專案的統籌會議去研擬相關的一個救助方案"},{"start":3429.525,"end":3445.74,"text":"那對於通訊設施修復剛才通常會的主委也提到是因為鐵塔供購的一個傾倒臨時搭建的鐵塔因為它的涵蓋範圍比較難以恢復到災前的水準所以有時候通訊會比較稍微"},{"start":3447.601,"end":3467.768,"text":"比較不好一點那請就是請這個災區的民眾去能夠了解這樣的一個情況最後的總結就是說我們對於丹納斯颱風造成這樣子一個非常嚴重的災情事實上是因為它的路徑非常特殊它有別於過去典型的颱風所以呢"},{"start":3468.268,"end":3487.547,"text":"我們將來會吸取相關的經驗也感謝委員的一個對於這個未來重建的法制以及相關的工作能夠繼續給予指導以及相關的支持以上的報告 謝謝好 謝謝我們行政院辦公室的王主任"},{"start":3489.471,"end":3509.844,"text":"接下來我們進行巡打先告以下事項巡打時間出席委員6加2分鐘列席委員4加1分鐘委員花園登記在10點30分截止各委員如果有臨時提案請10點鐘"},{"start":3513.018,"end":3526.809,"text":"以前提出以便議事人員會診暫定10點30分休息10分鐘現在請登記第一號的李昆哲委員執行謝謝召委請一下蘇阿布 薛司長還有NCC陳大理主委陳主委"},{"start":3547.482,"end":3570.328,"text":"市長跟主委 現在極端氣候市面尤其像這樣的一個牆台豪雨的衝擊對人民生活影響非常的大那在整個災情期間 我想不管是電力的恢復 飲食的提供以及電信的暢通 是災民最期望能夠迅速 政府能夠處理的"},{"start":3571.428,"end":3594.628,"text":"但是我們看到當那次颱風在7月6號登陸之後有1322座的基地台受到損害有2800根的電纜受損那我們看到基地台因為天線的偏移倒塌或者是相關附掛於電感的這些通訊設施因為電線感倒塌而受到損害"},{"start":3595.589,"end":3612.059,"text":"那整個災區的電路大概是在災後的第16天才全部的一個基本的恢復但是在災後的14到24天將近一個月的期間整個通訊的品質"},{"start":3613.48,"end":3621.407,"text":"還是因為常常頻繁的斷訊網路不穩或者是有線電視停播的這種狀況造成這種通訊孤島的狀況對人民的這個生活衝擊非常的大塑化部跟NCC責任非常的重大"},{"start":3632.895,"end":3650.88,"text":"我現在請教一下我們現在除了要讓這些基地台重新的建置恢復搶修之外我們主要的處理這種臨時的大量的通訊的斷訊塑化部還有什麼處理的方案嗎 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雖然在基地台設置的相關使用管理辦法第14條第15條都有規定公共場域應該優先來控告那管理區管"},{"start":4089.724,"end":4106.841,"text":"不得沒有正當的理由來拒絕但是其實相關的公交部分都是比較消極因為我們除了地方政府同意也要經過安全的一些檢驗還有警官的一些考量等等其實這種地方政府配合意願都不高"},{"start":4107.681,"end":4123.434,"text":"這個NCC應該針對這些不管是消防派出所 相公所比較偏向這些地區必須要盡力的來去做協調主動的 積極的來協調這是一個重要的方向那最後時間的關係"},{"start":4125.799,"end":4142.231,"text":"我來請教一下除了臨時的基地台除了行動基地台車除了衛星通訊車這三個臨時的處置的方式之外那漫遊可不可行"},{"start":4144.063,"end":4156.238,"text":"國際漫遊可不可行因為中華電信有這個設備跟能力啊當然費用是一個要考慮的問題費用會比較高那費用如何來做處理或是技術的問題有沒有問題來說明一下"},{"start":4159.901,"end":4170.413,"text":"我們這邊這個問題大概是在平時轉暫時 暫時的這個漫遊部分國內漫遊 國內漫遊 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那後續我再提供一些資料我就不針對他們評論的部分去做任何的一個檢舉就是剛剛 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這一次來看起來我們還是中斷的時間"},{"start":5611.383,"end":5626.172,"text":"速發部有掌握嗎?我們最多在南部的鄉親中斷了多久是完全沒有訊號是完全沒有辦法對外聯繫的跟委員報告因為這個中斷的數字實在是應變中心這邊有但是這很難去統計因為你有1200多台是中斷的但是我車子進去可能有部分的節點它會恢復那"},{"start":5638.3,"end":5664.478,"text":"那這樣好了 我們發揮作用在多少小時以後因為你數量不夠嘛 所以有些地方你無法到達我們其實是在災害應變中心一成立就進駐了就進駐了 然後因為南部本來有10台那大概在災害應變中心一成立我就已經跟同仁講說要把其他區域30台全部都調到南部去"},{"start":5666.039,"end":5693.326,"text":"所以等於這30台在第一個時間斷訊之後就發揮作用28台28台就發揮作用因為南投跟東部他還是要留一台喔 懂你的意思那不管怎樣他就是第一個時間在28台所可以這個有作用的範圍內他就發揮作用當然東部調過去的他可能需要幾個小時但是從中部跟北部調過去的可能就是2到4小時之內就會到位好 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你先給南馬車到桃園區先給慢用兩區"},{"start":6615.642,"end":6632.757,"text":"那那個台南旗鼓跟嘉義布袋這兩個你先這樣就好我不是叫你全部都不是全台灣都漫遊啦就是說這個地方最緊急的地方你們可不可以我不知道你們的技術可不可以開放這個局部就可以先讓他漫遊可以成功的"},{"start":6633.657,"end":6661.319,"text":"對 所以我也要報告 這個真的要經過驗證我舉個例子啦 同樣在那個區 它中華電信是40%的服務量我們的設計會到120% 差不多是可以吃50%多現在另外兩家 假設我們另外兩家當了就變100%的人 都會從那個交流道上來那個交流道就會用塞 因為所有人只有那個地方能上來我們送給你聽好不好 因為我們藍芽社跟桃園"},{"start":6664.86,"end":6673.911,"text":"40%用中華電線的還有60%有可能用其他的這60%我可以說現在很多收容已經下來了"},{"start":6677.691,"end":6686.655,"text":"可能下來有1萬所以我假設存超過10%的人你跟齊東漫遊沒問題 真的沒問題那個金董 張維這個建議是刻不容緩的事技巧性的問題私底下去跟他報告能開就開 因為救命比什麼都還好"},{"start":6703.203,"end":6730.762,"text":"當然當然當然另外的方式也可以 有一些其他的方式啦你針對這個要趕快去看報告盡快處理啦 我認為不會塞爆你放心啦因為很多人已經下山了啦還有少數人留在上面啦最怕的就是汙破偏紅連夜雨 人還在裡面還坐著獨居老人或是故意的還是怎樣就是說最怕的那種比較特殊的狀況其實沒那麼多 我跟你保證沒問題啦"},{"start":6733.084,"end":6760.48,"text":"只要你速度快,這個篩報我認為坦白講我用我的客觀的了解現實的狀況我認為沒有問題不會篩報啦盡快啦好不好那我們希望趕快明天就會開會好明天就會開會,其實我是希望你們回我趕快就開會了然後趕快處理了,不要再等到明天了好不好好拜託,真的是拜託你們"},{"start":6762.941,"end":6768.248,"text":"好 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都演播同樣的通訊系統 你知道嗎是不是這樣對 他們都用專用電信 都自己的專屬 對所以這個要整合啦"},{"start":7418.129,"end":7438.261,"text":"這個要整合啦 因為你若是在救災 你像這次災難整體救難部隊進來他有各式各樣不同的系統有警政 有消防 有醫療還有各種地方我自己派來的結果他們的通訊都完全不同的系統要收取人 要調度 這個會有問題所以"},{"start":7443.544,"end":7468.635,"text":"還有目前的這些系統雖然第一個他們的系統都不同第二個 他們的系統都是依賴商用網路金融組織都是走電信公司的所以他們如果集體才斷訊我們這裡救災系統就不規範了沒有自己獨立一個所謂的公共安全的一個通訊系統所以美國 現在韓國"},{"start":7471.068,"end":7491.565,"text":"韓國也是一個有安全意識的國家有危機意識的國家 韓國沒有建立自己的PVDR的系統我們台灣沒有 就所謂的公共安全跟救難應變系統這個我也希望相關單位應該盡速來處理啦大家 過去沒有做到啦那我們現在既然要做國家安全任性 一切部分都在考慮裡面"},{"start":7493.984,"end":7518.443,"text":"還有啦 數學部的預算 我知道你今天比較困難啦數學部有一些那個 講補助費啦 總預算被刪了35億8嘛被刪了快40%啦 那這裡面很多就是數位任性講補助費被刪了8億多啦 就是數位任性和資訊安全啦後面的工作都需要這些預算啦"},{"start":7519.807,"end":7545.43,"text":"我們也希望這個在野政黨大家可以以這次的災情來做一個檢驗考量這個是國家所需要的增強安全韌性的基礎建設這個不只是暫時天災來的時候就可以發現沒有這些東西我們其實基礎建設有很大一個落差有南北的落差也有城鄉的落差"},{"start":7547.25,"end":7562.755,"text":"我們希望我們相關單位大家來謝謝委員幫我們說明好我們就謝謝相關單位謝謝三位謝謝主席謝謝林進憲委員的執行現在請洪孟楷委員執行"},{"start":7574.433,"end":7599.794,"text":"主席謝謝 麻煩請NCC代理主委好 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之後就沒有再測試因為那一支預算今年被刪除但是我們還是會持續在研究這個平台因為高空平台在未來六七是一個重要的重要的通訊規格之一"},{"start":8916.56,"end":8933.379,"text":"對是所以我們也真的是很遺憾就是高通訊平台我們在今年度有編了5220萬的經費結果被刪掉六成所以剩下這一點經費我覺得真的對我們要推動這樣子的一個功能真的是"},{"start":8934.5,"end":8950.997,"text":"可以說是捉襟見肘可能比較難施展所以我們也希望就是說未來不管是如果說有提出特別預算還是追加預算的時候我們也希望在野黨能夠支持再來有關國內漫遊的部分是不是請施展來說一下"},{"start":8952.523,"end":8978.043,"text":"國內漫遊的部分去年我們有一支計畫去做功能性的驗證那也在921的防災演習中有去演練那所以這個在技術上是沒有問題的那但是這個災難漫遊的權責跟法規那誠如剛剛NCC主委有提到那還有一些問題要解決那當然技術性的驗證當它規模擴大到全國"},{"start":8981.425,"end":9000.337,"text":"那會有其他的障礙但是如果是小規模的災區那也必須盤點到底哪些門號是要進入漫遊那這個這個需要繼續再討論那今年度的預算本來我們今年度有編一個幾千一千多萬的預算要繼續持續做演練但是那個部分的預算也被刪除了"},{"start":9000.879,"end":9023.394,"text":"是好這個也是令人遺憾那我們也看到了就是剛剛次長提到這一份報告的結論裡面確實有提到就是說在電信管理法裡面對於就是提供國內的這個漫遊的服務並沒有強制性所以未來這個部分是不是我們ANCC也要有積極的作為進行法規的一個修正"},{"start":9024.065,"end":9040.093,"text":"是跟我們報告其實法規不用修正就是因為我們現在是電信管理法第22條是借接源頭端下指令端的災防法那邊其實是有個橋接有借接的方式那我們明天就會找這個消防署來開會"},{"start":9042.667,"end":9069.248,"text":"確實這次有關這個漫遊的部分我們覺得真的速度是有比較慢的因為七月初發生風災一直到現在也已經一個月的時間了所以這個部分當然就是說我們也希望能夠記取教訓然後能夠在積極不管是法規面或者是技術面或者是業者之間的一個協調的部分我們希望NCC能夠要負起全責然後加緊這個腳步這樣好不好"},{"start":9069.668,"end":9098.276,"text":"是那跟我們報告因為這一塊在電信法時期漫遊國內漫遊其實是禁止的那所以也有相關業者因為漫遊被我們連續罰那這一塊在電信管理法是留一個空間來借機災防法那邊來處理那但是因為涉及到它本質上如果是商業間會涉及到一些商業間跟公平議題那這邊我們會一併來注意明天開會會也會找這個相關機關不管是消防署內政部消防署或者數位部門都會一起來討論"},{"start":9099.372,"end":9117.76,"text":"是好因為我們看到這個真的是天災難測所以我們也希望就是說我們在各項的這個設施就是數位的這個潤性的一個設施上我們真的要做好強化跟準備這樣才能夠降低災害因為一旦這個災害發生我想受害的就是老百姓"},{"start":9118.36,"end":9129.212,"text":"所以這個強化數位韌性真的很重要所以我們在這邊也是要再次的呼籲在野黨要共同支持預算因為在去年度在審查總預算的時候在速發部整個預算真的是被刪了高達六成我覺得這對我們整個強化數位韌性真的是很大的一個傷害"},{"start":9137.981,"end":9148.468,"text":"那最後我還有一個問題要請教就是這次的風災造成了這個通訊中斷那有的甚至到目前都還沒有辦法恢復通訊那有關這個補償的部分我們NCC是不是應該要主動來要求業者來"},{"start":9156.913,"end":9172.229,"text":"做處理不要讓災民自己再來就是申請那這是一部分還有一個部分就是在7月31號這個中華電信他還是無預警的斷訊了三個小時那這個我也收到了鄉親的一個陳情因為在斷訊之後有的"},{"start":9178.595,"end":9195.072,"text":"這個鄉親他說他昨天還收到中華電信的簡訊通知說如果收不到訊號或者是沒有收到電話就是重新開機或者是關這個啟動飛航模式之後再取消之後就可以恢復通訊"},{"start":9196.333,"end":9214.674,"text":"這個都太慢了 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花掉70幾億我們覺得說就這個預算的一個標題對於重大災害發生的時候通信網路的一個應變應該要更提升更強那可是我們發覺你花了這一筆錢之後呢"},{"start":10379.412,"end":10407.958,"text":"我們仔細去看其中有一條是強化93座的基地台的基礎設施不管是有災害來風災來的時候我把它強化嘛避免來的時候可能被吹倒或說發生損害結果我們也有發現這93座基地台強化的一個部分對於現在丹納斯那個風災的災區是所有的缺都沒有那我是想說明一下就請教一下好不好"},{"start":10409.278,"end":10427.928,"text":"市長你們在整個這樣規劃已經快結束了你們自己再稍微回想一下這一次風災帶來了中南部這幾個縣市在通郡上面的災害是不是你們當時都沒有想到是在區域它的一個模式是沒有想到還是在區塊上面還沒有輪到大概是什麼樣一個情況 請說明一下"},{"start":10429.989,"end":10454.389,"text":"跟委員報告就是說在前瞻第四期是主要的預算是在新設333座5G基地台那強化93座那但是呢當初當初這個預算他有一個但書就是說這些是以偏鄉為優先那也就是說偏鄉在在在這一個"},{"start":10455.69,"end":10477.235,"text":"他有一定的規定就是人口涵蓋度是多少那的確是針對這個嘉南平原的地區因為他靠市區比較近當初沒有被列為有一部分當初沒有被列為偏鄉所以當初很多是到山林或者是其他地方去改善那我們在災害應變中心跟內政部討論也馬上"},{"start":10479.716,"end":10506.063,"text":"就是針對第五期就是今年下半年的前瞻第五期那我們就優先來處理這個高抗災基地台那會優先在災區這邊來建置好 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大家的手機都不通啦郭國文的通不通啊"},{"start":11141.175,"end":11143.176,"text":"好謝謝主席是不是請"},{"start":11171.399,"end":11175.925,"text":"蘇發部薛次長中華電信檢董還有NCC陳竺偉中華檢董事長還有陳竺偉"},{"start":11183.462,"end":11211.891,"text":"我首先要謝謝中華電信簡董謝謝你們全部的同仁你看那個亮島還有高登可以說全縣中的全縣以前都沒有基地台當然我們對官兵的照顧不是嘴巴講的啦除了待遇上我們給他照顧之外我們在通訊上所以在高登亮島的阿兵哥在那邊一年兩年一待啊待很久"},{"start":11212.651,"end":11238.377,"text":"常常台灣這邊女朋友鬧兵變心情不好幹什麼的現在他們心情都非常愉快,而且待遇也非常高一個沖原兵大概可以拿到九萬多塊所以很多人都願意到那邊當兵非常感謝中華電信那麼106年中華電信已經在台馬之星限制了傳播專用的訊號轉發器還有天線"},{"start":11241.451,"end":11256.088,"text":"那麼並將對海涵蓋的基地還升級那後續在108年啦108年的8月又調整台灣對海涵蓋基地的天線還有更新台馬之星的接收的天線"},{"start":11257.728,"end":11286.778,"text":"那麼很明顯經過實測已經顯著的改善了3G、4G這個航程中可以通話距離有大幅的提升當然這個中華電信還有剛才主席講了你們三個單位有沒有經費的問題有沒有被我們凍結或是幹什麼的有沒有因為經費的問題而斷訊中華電信有沒有目前沒有沒有 速發部有沒有目前沒有也沒有NCC有沒有"},{"start":11287.438,"end":11310.144,"text":"沒有,報告沒有你應該有吧?你不是被砍了很多嗎?是我們NCC本身,民眾的部分沒有民眾的部分沒有?剛才趙偉也講了,不要在這邊錢有問題有問題我們凍結的部分,我們全部都會幫你恢復所以有一些他們亂講,我們砍你的錢,讓你們連衛生紙都買不起不是這麼回事"},{"start":11312.414,"end":11339.854,"text":"為了進一步提升航運的通訊品質因為往返我們馬祖兩地、台灣兩地的客源的穩定還有可靠的行動的通訊服務供應台馬航線緊急的救助服務所以是不是能夠比到先前對台馬之星的通訊品質的精進那我這裡提出幾個"},{"start":11341.255,"end":11369.311,"text":"大概第一個是新台馬輪船艙內偵測轉發器偵測轉發器第二個是沿岸航蓋航線基地台建設5G的設備第三個是三芝恆山建設30M自立式的鐵塔提供航線信號航蓋錢董這樣聽懂了嗎聽懂第四個就是船艙襲孔級恢復"},{"start":11370.578,"end":11384.444,"text":"那麼這四個大概需要多少錢?需要一千四百萬請問中華電信還有速發部本案施作的期程細節,還有營運廠商聯絡的情形我想請中華電信說明一下好不好"},{"start":11385.472,"end":11414.563,"text":"好 這個臺碼 當然包括臺捧的這個船的輪我們都持續有在關注謝謝委員來協助推動這個事情那事實上我們已經也勘察一段時間而且已經也都規劃好 已經在進行當中那我們要特別謝謝蘇花部有特別來關心那以未來對這個經費的支柱應該蘇花部也會來支持"},{"start":11415.393,"end":11441.243,"text":"事務發布對本案補助經費你們研議的情形怎麼樣我們目前已經在預算裡面有去匡列這針對本來對離島的通訊補助的部分包含海嵐跟這些船舶的改善都有列入計畫裡面台馬輪這邊預計是在配合他稅休的時間就是在"},{"start":11442.503,"end":11459.973,"text":"115年的2月的時候他稅休的時間委員剛剛講的這些工程我們已經協調中華電信開始準備並預計在稅休時間會完成那另外兩家電信公司我們也後續會就基地台這邊來做技術細節來討論"},{"start":11462.913,"end":11489.9,"text":"會啦,這次蘇發部部長在交通委員會到馬拉祖考察的時候那麼我跟他私底下我們談了以後,我對他有更進一步的了解那麼部長對馬拉祖電信品質也非常的重視尤其對海嵐的部分,因為中華電信是一個公司組織嘛對不對他的錢也非常有限,虧本虧了很多啦所以請蘇發部也盡力的協助,那部長也答應我了所以簡董你要謝謝蘇發部"},{"start":11492.068,"end":11520.057,"text":"有,我已經謝很多次了謝很多次喔?謝一次就跟我講一次嘛,好不好?讓我了解一下那這一次大辣子颱風當然因為全球的氣候變遷那麼幾個颱風對我們台灣,西南氣流過來對中南部造成很重大的災害影響所以這個尤其是中華電信的部分剛才也提到了"},{"start":11521.397,"end":11543.32,"text":"南部居民對各類通訊設施損害功能抱怨很多還有我們馬祖的選區雖然說這次沒有受到颱風的災害但是在整個通訊韌性及搶救機制能不能對我們重大天災我們還不知道"},{"start":11544.778,"end":11570.605,"text":"那麼尤其馬祖、小山通還有台灣的觀光旅客非常的多如果通訊一旦中斷,當然現在有微波在那個最近在勘察的過程,我也看到陳秉飛委員說還是林俊賢委員去調度通訊基地台行動的通訊基地台我想這個有很大的注意,我不曉得台灣有多少台這樣的東西"},{"start":11572.978,"end":11594.733,"text":"是那個如果行動基地台加衛星整個加一加中華電信在等島有50台那另外還有業者的應該也有各位報告衛星有萬位的資源萬位的基台總共30台是社會部去年補助的總共30台那非衛星的大概106台加起來136台那這個有沒有機會能不能引進一台到馬祖來我們萬一也發生類似的狀況那個會不會很貴啊那個"},{"start":11604.334,"end":11615.181,"text":"跟委員報告就是說衛星其實只佔那個車子的一部分的價錢那一部車大概是1100萬到1500萬那衛星的部分佔300萬那其實在馬祖我們已經放了中軌衛星跟低軌衛星"},{"start":11623.286,"end":11643.438,"text":"那就是說這個可以討論就是說其實馬祖如果在某些制高點已經有低軌衛星那是不是加上車子可以解決局部災區的問題這個我們回去會跟電信商討看看如果中國衛星低軌衛星如果他還不足的話"},{"start":11644.673,"end":11669.383,"text":"那有必要的時候當然不只馬祖還有金門澎湖我們離島能夠有的話各放一台放在那邊對我們地區居民如果碰到天災的時候我們有所因應你回去研究一下好不好沒問題 我們的確是有一部分就是用來支持離島的通訊還有目前對馬祖地區的通訊的搶救機制"},{"start":11670.658,"end":11675.048,"text":"還有人員的訓練,還有裝備器材準備的情形怎麼樣?"},{"start":11677.345,"end":11704.75,"text":"現在對於馬祖的通訊就如同委員所知我們現在臺馬2號、3號另外4號即將明年要通除此之外我們對馬祖的微波已經12.6G了另外就是低軌衛星OneWeb也在那邊有中軌衛星高軌衛星都有那委員所關心的可能是衛星的量我們可以在疊子上面再多增加那移動車的部分剛才次長有特別講會再研究"},{"start":11705.523,"end":11727.062,"text":"我們馬祖很麻煩因為有四個鄉有五個島住人的地方有五個島 比澎湖少一點金門簡單 金門一個大金門一個小金門尤其他又通橋了金門的問題還比較單純所以如果對於馬祖幾個離島我倒是建議可以放一些低軌衛星的碟子"},{"start":11727.922,"end":11753.998,"text":"因為一個碟子50萬到100萬多放兩個在固定的基地台旁邊萬一有什麼狀況它也可以隨時來啟動好啊我剛才提到行動那個通訊車的問題啊如果中軌衛星跟低軌衛星能夠滿足這些需求的話或是你再多裝一兩個嘛對不對能夠滿足的話當然我們就不需要了嘛這個請速發部中華電信你們回去研究一下好不好"},{"start":11754.838,"end":11766.198,"text":"你們去研究一下我們回去會研究其他大概中華電力隊馬祖地區我想該做的也都做了現在就在地人員"},{"start":11768.018,"end":11794.932,"text":"在地化有沒有現在你們招考人員有在加強了沒有因為你招考就是單一個單一個的話這個人台灣的我們鄉親錄取他又不去不去你又委外又重新招考又半年就過去了所以造成中華電機在馬祖那邊的人力不足不夠因為你看我們東舉只配置一個舉光配置一個都是一個"},{"start":11795.732,"end":11804.975,"text":"那你一個一缺的話,你有兩個三個的話,一個不在的話起碼還有兩個嘛,對不對你只有一個人啊,一個不在的話就沒啦,是不是"},{"start":11805.962,"end":11831.05,"text":"所以簡董你考慮一下這個問題好不好是跟委員報告我們招考盡量以在地的他比較容易一直在那邊服務啦這部分我們會來因為以前都這樣做啦我們會更強化來做所以你們在起碼錄取幾個被取的嘛被取的在第二次第一個不去的話被取的就可以低補上去了嘛你不要重新再考嘛你不要爭取一個被取的你不用了不用就沒啦"},{"start":11831.97,"end":11857.708,"text":"所以中華電力在這一個部分我拜託你們好不好能夠加強一下其他有關經費的問題如果有問題的話到交通委員會跟我們報告嘛好不好我想交通委員會是一個蠻溫和的一個委員會大概都會那個不要去談錢的事情剛才召委特別講了你說這個又沒錢那個又被你們凍結凍結可以恢復啊我們並沒有怎麼樣啊所以我剛才講到NCC"},{"start":11859.209,"end":11875.418,"text":"那是因為速發部NCC打詐不利打詐不利我們刪減了一些經費問題是出在這裡我們沒有意思要行政單位癱瘓並沒有這個意思好不好那謝謝三位好不好謝謝主席好謝謝委員好謝謝我們陳雪生委員的執行現在請黃建豪委員執行"},{"start":11894.093,"end":11901.601,"text":"好謝謝主席喔那我們一樣請蘇衛部缺次長然後 蘇衛部缺次長NCC陳竺偉好NCC陳竺偉"},{"start":11910.435,"end":11933.805,"text":"兩位好一開始當然我們還是要關心這次的這個風災過後的一些狀況我想這個通訊斷掉我想對所有國人的影響都非常的重大因為沒有辦法通訊嘛那你看一下這個新聞就7月30號新聞單大颱風第24天還有部分地方斷訊那ACC的說法是說要成立客服專線不過問題就在這裡啊今天我都沒有辦法通訊了"},{"start":11935.131,"end":11952.988,"text":"那如果成立客服專線他就沒辦法通訊他怎麼讓你們知道所以今天問題當然事情發生就發生了但我們要檢討說以後如果又發生類似的狀況技術上NCT到底能不能掌握到說有些地方已經斷訊了你們會知道嗎還是一定要等人通報你們才會知道"},{"start":11954.737,"end":11973.739,"text":"跟委員回報 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佈建在哪裡 夠不夠70個基地台大部分都佈建完成了那很多是在重要的通訊節點比如說立法院 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那所以咧是什麼意思是技術可行 答案就是技術可行然後真正緊急命令後怎麼樣發布時期那本來就可以switch過去 那是沒有問題的那現在是平成時期那所以現在呢 現在正式風災是因為法令的問題沒辦法去使用嗎"},{"start":14992.401,"end":15010.081,"text":"應該說是過往完全沒有使用過的經驗電信法實際是不許可的那現在有空間電信法不許可那但是技術上許可那現在是誰的問題是電信法的問題要修電信法嗎電信管理法已經有空間了我們明天會開會來爬樹釐青做相關部位像內政部或數位部可以怎麼來協力那這樣也"},{"start":15011.983,"end":15039.446,"text":"我覺得有點可笑啦就是說技術上可行那我看速發部上面有寫說那災難發生的時候我們一個可以用這個跨越層漫遊你今天中華電信的不行我可以用遠程我可以用這個台灣大哥大結果你現在跟我講說電信法 不行對 蘇衛部那是指說特殊時期假設今天在風災就算是特殊時期啦過往因為就是極端氣候以往沒有預期說會發生這麼大規模以往是點的話大概一般行動機機台開過去都OK了好 那所以現在你們要做什麼樣的法令的修改"},{"start":15040.286,"end":15058.671,"text":"目前還暫時但明天開完會確定確定是哪些東西要補強那明天開完會才能夠比較清楚那如果萬一下次再發生這種大規模的風災的話跨越者漫遊或戰略漫遊可不可以用我們就是希望建立這個SOP我看你們去年的"},{"start":15062.406,"end":15089.511,"text":"去年的這個報告裡面就有提到說要建立SOP了啊就去年年底要建立SOP了啊那個都是特殊時期暫停期那個都已經建立好了那風災不算風災因為就是明天才要檢討大規模的風災這個過往是比較沒有這個情況這個會造成民怨我老實講這會造成民怨這個風災更容易比你所謂講那個戰爭的時期更容易遇到啊那結果我們竟然沒有這個SOP對所以我們要建立"},{"start":15090.505,"end":15101.169,"text":"那所以何時呢?明天開會完成就知道了嗎?明天開完會之後我們會盡快的來處理啦最後我再問一下次長,你們這次這一個業務費有關這一個獎補助費被刪減掉這一個8.2億,對這一次的這個風災有沒有什麼受到影響?"},{"start":15112.803,"end":15140.63,"text":"跟委員報告就是當然因為整體的計畫進度都會落後比如說剛剛講的低軌衛星的接收器那今年我沒有任何預算可以增加所以我用的就是去年拿到的這700多個那我們手上只有190幾個那為什麼我只剩190幾個因為我付不起這個通訊費所以內政部拿去的跟國防部拿去的要請他自己付"},{"start":15142.164,"end":15166.652,"text":"所以今年呢?今年就沒有增加新的接收器就對了?沒有,今年沒有增加新的接收器那這樣怎麼辦?被砍掉的8.2億怎麼辦?你們那個書面資料給那個昆城委員造成什麼樣的影響?你要跟大家講啊好不好?預算這樣造成什麼樣的影響要跟大家講啊好不好?好,謝謝委員好,謝謝主席"},{"start":15168.615,"end":15194.615,"text":"好 謝謝餘坤城委員的執行現在請謝龍介委員執行謝謝我請這個台電好 台電喜富總經理能源署 中華電信 蘇華部NCC"},{"start":15197.915,"end":15215.381,"text":"我們翁主任秘書還有我們鄭政次還有我們陳主委檢董事在台電你先答一下一般的風災 太陽能費要多少你們說的意思是說它還有部分的發電"},{"start":15228.142,"end":15253.326,"text":"是是吧是那我想要跟委員報告沒關係啦有的有的就是說太陽能毀損除非是全面性的否則毀損了20%那其他80%大概它就還有70%可以把電到潰線透過潰線到我們電網對不對好就看它沿途如果說有一個據點沒問題了這樣了解好感謝你啊能源署也有來嘛"},{"start":15258.099,"end":15269.591,"text":"開會就是要解決問題嘛那能源署就是說這個太陽零零管在潰線台電開那一支那麼這個潰線裡面可以潰一條網路線嗎應該可以這原本潰線的公路"},{"start":15281.92,"end":15289.202,"text":"蘇華部 你說有算刪掉它 刪得很可憐 你問我沒有錢可以買衛生紙給人家簽名剛才委員 委員在問你說 刪了都沒有錢 刪一半也要一半如果經濟也可以採用有算過衛生紙都沒有辦法做事情 你還在這裡叫我很可憐感謝委員的講 你覺得真的都沒有錢可以做"},{"start":15311.55,"end":15327.401,"text":"你敢這樣說嗎所以要有良心 國安要有警覺頭可以做多少算多少譬如說因應災變 因應戰爭 真正沒辦法需要調壓大家共同來針對無損及其這都可以討論 這樣就變成理性了是不是我告訴你 你這樣做的不白 聽了到你會白"},{"start":15342.537,"end":15365.963,"text":"基地台 我請教中華電信你剛才還在說要用那個塔果 蘇花布 還說要用發電機我請教你在現在中華電信 不管其他業者你現在有沒有還在使用全向的基地台有啊有嘛 專用的有 定用的也有嘛海濱這麼空闊"},{"start":15370.751,"end":15396.113,"text":"您在發生風態之後,你有沒有加大功率?你剛才說的,NCC台電的電信跟電信夾車,有跟你申請加大功率嗎?我們有跟他講說只要符合規範,他們的調整這段時間有沒有嘛他們沒有回報,但是我們他說要改善,一般是調整天線角度不是啦,董事長"},{"start":15398.066,"end":15410.044,"text":"中華電信 現在要漫遊 其實今天就可以做所有的data都有你吃到一斤的芒果 吃多少 吃幾分鐘 聽小怎麼聽 其實你們三間電信公司完全沒問題"},{"start":15413.072,"end":15433.177,"text":"所以剛才NCC在說,這災防法比較有辦法解決,現在補分有自愛難行主席我是建議說,邀請下去進步,我們要開一個聯席,心責,給他促成其實現在就要做一件事,要萬倍嘛,因為大家受得了,沒有人要省錢喝我們現在要跳小,怎麼會不跳"},{"start":15441.621,"end":15463.072,"text":"只要一個災害 緊急 應變一個命令下來 其實屬澳中央電信跟其他的電信公司聽起來 我要說我市場電信公司還不算我就在做電信啊所以我跟你說你基地台 你說沒電 我請問你基地台裡面 幾噸沒檢查mattery啊"},{"start":15469.242,"end":15478.847,"text":"委員替你報告,基地台的電力是一段時間都會檢測,那不是基地台電力的問題一段時間可以檢測,你備用電力多久,你設定幾點鐘讓NCC說,你對著基地台設定,備用電力需要多少空運行的起碼要能夠續電4小時,那高抗災要72小時"},{"start":15493.693,"end":15507.317,"text":"70里休息那這是屬於規格標好的為什麼停電後後期在台有的失靈有的還在運作有的失靈我就影響我電信你們剛才討論費率599到699到799我奇怪過過分有信了我比較會沒有我2699吃到飽我是你們的VIP我2699吃幾頓你知道嗎"},{"start":15522.298,"end":15534.002,"text":"為什麼我到長沙也沒電 你的行動通訊車有在那郭國文不錯 他調兩台在那我也沒有 我也沒有信號你們是大小人看我要去勘測總要把我當掉嗎我也沒有啊 我還吃那個現場年輕人他吃到你們的基地台 吃到你們行動機立台的信號我還吃他的 我還連結他的"},{"start":15549.4,"end":15568.516,"text":"所以我在這裡要跟你們說 蔓藥也好 要做一件事 但是不要拖了啦主席 我覺得這個再拖就沒意思了這樣是需要雷震波移交災防法 下令說現在這時就可以跨越別蔓藥 蔓藥之後 因為鐵燒燒燒你們都沒問題嘛"},{"start":15572.603,"end":15591.877,"text":"很簡單的 這些東西炸就都將控在你們手裡所以不需要去提這個模糊嘛現在就是說 災苦 我剛才在跟你們說 開火 要有一個應變細胞 太陽能做這麼多 美麗的大地 跟無親台灣 給你們囤大到這樣不然你們也回饋一下就是說太陽能興起的時候 真的天災地變來你們也不怕 八月 九月 十月 還有可能的風災來"},{"start":15602.678,"end":15627.438,"text":"風災再來 會變成怎樣?所以在基地台每一個基地台的挑釁所 要把電送回去台電的電盤的時候在這個地方 我請問你 能建立一個臨時的替駕22管7樓管的避充電塔嗎?其實那是完全沒有的 這只有一個結構問題當時剛才我說的意思是什麼 你聽到沒有?"},{"start":15632.796,"end":15641.723,"text":"所以你們電網都回電的時候 電位條倒了沒電的時候 但是這條零層海邊這裡的太陽能發電是有電的它的電要送到你的電網也送不回來坦白講 開線可以送到 但是電位條你們送不進來是不是這樣 大家聽到是不是這樣它發電送到處理 我這裡的發電送到處理到你的電網 但是我在這裡沒電能吃"},{"start":15661.107,"end":15676.474,"text":"我請問你 這樣可以在當地這個挑釁所在那裡的電不要說給社區這裡 因為社區就是說緊急救災所要用的電可以直接對這個挑釁所噴出來在現場做一個緊急的韌性 強化的你們每次都說韌性 這就可以強化韌性你們撐那裡的 利誘誘的太陽能公司 怎麼不蓋這個火花"},{"start":15688.615,"end":15698.185,"text":"我講這樣執行上有問題嗎 兩件事這一部分的話我們要請台電公司 也請台電來 台電來技術上有問題嗎來請台電來技術上是可行"},{"start":15705.769,"end":15728.352,"text":"不要說可行啦 但是啊 但是的能言俗慣的啊NCC要求的啊 司法部給他要求的啊主席這是很簡單的事情 但是沒有人要去做也沒有人要去接人 也沒有人要去接那些地方你想想有多少案中 那多少案中 一百案中就可以有一百的基地台"},{"start":15729.315,"end":15745.821,"text":"臨時的 所以我剛才跟你說 虧欠為什麼因為中華電信你做一條顧問日 那不開很多錢 因為功勞都好了嘛電算好 董事長你跟我說 功勞都好的情形台電的開算功勞都好的時候 拜託你中華電信配一條顧問 光線顧問日 要開很多錢嗎不用啦 齁 董事長我講這樣有理嗎很清楚 這樣是不是問題要解決啦"},{"start":15756.527,"end":15763.396,"text":"結果 大家現在很好的問題聽了以後 真可惜啦 國家用這麼多資源 不用這麼多公務人員大家都不敢講真話 都要配合他說 啊沒有錢喔 有勝算啦齁 你沒有錢能做啦齁"},{"start":15772.089,"end":15795.91,"text":"聽到心情痛 災民在那裡很辛苦 你聽得懂嗎你看災苦的人 不要說人家在表演了 解救就救了這是你可以做 你要了解 災民在那裡沒水沒電 最主要一定是沒消息 這是他最恐慌 內心的恐慌會從這裡來可是今天你的忙喔 幸好讓他在外面可以聯絡 他就不會怕 他心就不會怕"},{"start":15800.578,"end":15814.002,"text":"明確在這裡 所以我建議說你們看保安也好 NCC也好 事劃部也好 台電也好 臨環署我剛才在講這個問題 其實是未有中邮 不認可肯證人家說好聽就要有這些負擔 你看他給我們賺錢賺錢 一個暗中給我們賺幾百億叫他給我們蓋一個基底起來 一個鐵塔起來"},{"start":15823.339,"end":15838.202,"text":"建立一基二十米的鐵塔一筆不惜技術這樣建立我們臨時村子整個都廢物了基地都廢物了我們可以臨時建置因為怎樣?當地有電源有古往潰線董事長我說這樣有理嗎沒理?有啦 如果有電都能基地有電的問題我替你解決啦嘛 好不好感謝您謝謝我們謝龍介"},{"start":15856.378,"end":15885.157,"text":"謝謝我們謝榮介委員的執行那特別因為他剛剛提出一些解決之道啊其實是可以做的你們不要發現問題都不解決問題那委員都已經提出來這些解決問題把他納入未以籌謀整個規劃因為極端氣候真的需要大家認真的去幫忙好不好來接下來我們翁曉琳委員執行"},{"start":15895.621,"end":15915.527,"text":"好 主席好 在這邊我先有請肅發部的 肅發部來 崔市長然後NCC的陳 陳主委然後在韓辦公室的王主任以及中華電信好 中華電信前前董事長 還有我們王主任"},{"start":15922.177,"end":15945.035,"text":"大家好是這樣子的這個這次的丹納斯颱風的災情確實是造成中南部的通訊這個破壞受損很嚴重那麼我知道其實中華電信還有包含NCC壓縮發布然後在房辦公室在這個過程當中其實也很盡心盡力的希望能夠儘速的搶救恢復通訊但是我們知道這個"},{"start":15947.737,"end":15963.553,"text":"這個過程其實坦白說對於很多的受災民眾來講還是覺得時間太緩慢尤其是我們看到有好些地區一直拖拖到現在可能還沒有辦法全部恢復那麼這個已經從這個風災發生到現在已經大概也二十來天了"},{"start":15968.277,"end":15987.933,"text":"那麼當然就是這幾天的這個又下大好雨那可能又造成就是搶救是極為困難但是呢本席在這裡想要跟你們請教就是因為事實上災防中心這個依照就災害防救法它本來就應該有一套就是各個部會的這個災防計畫那請問到底NCC跟速發部有沒有這樣的做這個災防計畫"},{"start":15995.371,"end":16023.923,"text":"跟我們報告災害防救計畫我們就有依據這個災防法請業者都是要提報然後我們會來審理然後也請他們定期每兩年都要報一次然後要更新這是事前的那事中如果發生天然災害這個具有機制我們只要是災防辦那邊或者海警成立的時候我們跟業者都會成立應變中心然後"},{"start":16024.463,"end":16027.606,"text":"都會有災情的一些協助來回應 回饋處理是 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我們盡快好 謝謝謝謝委員謝謝翁曉琳委員的執行現在請習滬葵委員執行"},{"start":16416.958,"end":16436.293,"text":"謝謝主席 有請我們抒發部我們的政次好 抒發部邱政次NCC我們陳代理主委好 NCC陳主委中華電信簡董事長好 中華電信簡董事長還有台電徐副總台電徐副總您好"},{"start":16438.444,"end":16458.616,"text":"謝謝大家辛苦了那我想這一次是針對我們丹納斯颱風還有最近的這個豪大雨針對我們南部地區災後的這個通訊中斷的一個復原機制來做討論但是我想這個我記得去年我們去年也接連好幾個颱風包含這個康納山陀爾好幾個颱風"},{"start":16460.097,"end":16482.689,"text":"清洗我們整個南部地區那我當時我記得我在委員會我就特別提出這個高抗災的基地台的一個設置還有所有一個電力系統的一個修復的一個建議然後我想我們就是因為過去屏東縣是一個颱風很容易清洗的一個縣市所以我想過去我們從屏東縣政府我們結合中央我們做了很多的努力"},{"start":16483.209,"end":16492.273,"text":"那我們也期待這個水電通訊這些民生的設施必須要有這樣的一個韌性我想應該在座幾位都同意這樣的一個論調不過從這一次的這個剛剛這次委員會討論到現在我個人是蠻失望的"},{"start":16500.416,"end":16519.683,"text":"因為我聽到的我們不是未雨綢繆在做很多的討論而是大家不要抱抱就不要抱聽起來真的是很可悲所以我想我們在座幾位我想還是有幾個問題期待未來大家要共同趕快盡快來努力的部分我想這次剛剛大家都提到"},{"start":16520.203,"end":16548.945,"text":"基地台為什麼會有一個出現大的問題當然電力中斷是一個很大的因素那當然這個電力中斷因為我們過去我們的這個尤其我們這個廢六都我們有山區有沿海地區我們記得這個整個對於這個風力對於這個颱風的一個侵襲我們這個承受力的部分那尤其大家都說這一次這個陣風高達十幾級這真的很恐怖但是我想未來隨著極端氣候的一個影響"},{"start":16550.593,"end":16574.068,"text":"因為災害有可能會越來越多而且越來越大這不是我們可以預估所以我們必須要做更大的一個準備更好的一個因應才對啦所以我想針對這個基地台跟這個電力的部分我們還是期待這個NCC跟蘇發部一個是管理這個經費輔助一個是關電信業者怎麼樣整合這個平台我還是很期待聽到你們的答案各位請你們答覆一下"},{"start":16576.201,"end":16594.228,"text":"我這邊先簡單跟你們報告這是風災基台通信不通大概三個原因大概前面那個說不也有說明大概基台本身被摧毀然後基台沒有電然後基台後端的傳輸壞掉比方說那個光影線都他附掛在電線桿上都斷掉了"},{"start":16597.509,"end":16622.251,"text":"所以要處理就是這三個區塊那如果機台要讓它長得更強更強韌 韌性更好的話就高抗災是個解方之一那電力的部分那如果是高抗災本身那個它可以撐72小時最貴也沒問題那另外就是說找公有建地或者說台電來在他們的建築物上來蓋因為本身它會有那個"},{"start":16623.252,"end":16643.4,"text":"緊急電源這塊電力部分也相對沒問題在傳輸的部分這個事情我去年就提過了比如說我舉例來講嘛我們六都就是有區公所我們非六都都有鄉鎮公所我們看到狀況與商業會連鄉鎮公所自己的電力都癱瘓通區都不通他怎麼當指揮中心怎麼去調度這是大問題啊"},{"start":16644.72,"end":16658.565,"text":"這部分我去年就已經提醒要建置這樣的一個設備好像到目前為止也都沒得討論沒得說連我們的指揮中心都癱瘓怎麼樣去協助災民真的都沒有我們真的都沒有去面對這樣的一個困境然後第二個"},{"start":16659.825,"end":16687.962,"text":"剛剛提到我們業者 除了中華電信當然是我們的龍頭嘛那其他兩家業者 我想這個每一年我們看到 大家都賺很多錢啦但是我們的社會責任跟企業責任在哪裡遇到事情的時候 我們到底有多少的人力跟這個通訊設備能夠去支援災區我們也講不出一個數據嘛大家都要等一星期 等兩星期 等三星期難道要這樣子無止盡的下去等待嗎總是要有一個解決的一個方案啊"},{"start":16689.283,"end":16707.356,"text":"跟委員說明7月6號以後到試電恢復之前其實業者有就他們所能動用的資源調派行動機器車都過去然後其他機台毀損情況輕微的他們去維修然後也讓他的備用電源"},{"start":16708.638,"end":16722.634,"text":"有油機的部分去補充柴油去發電這塊就是在當時他的條件之下他能夠做的他們大概都已經做了中華電信當然是相對他們在其他過往的比較強壯說他們這邊整體的情況會復原的更快一點"},{"start":16728.313,"end":16747.763,"text":"呃 主委我還是要提醒就是說剛剛講的嘛 你說那個我們建棟有在說我們用發電機嘛齁啊有的收台漏掉不通 還是沒辦法 油就沒夠 還是要怎麼辦啊這些不是只有災民欸 還有連救災隊伍進去之後 他們怎麼去做一個通訊的聯繫這些都是大問題 有沒有什麼樣補救的一個方案"},{"start":16750.363,"end":16776.941,"text":"像這幾天水災在某些偏鄉地區我們行動業者想要進去維修可是路就不通啊工程車也沒有辦法進去所以這種情況要對應的解決方式說那基台如果蓋得夠穩夠壯的話它就相對是風險會比較低但是如果當地發生土石流那大概也是相對比較沒有辦法處理但是如果說高空災能夠有建的話那風險係數會比較低一點"},{"start":16778.982,"end":16797.948,"text":"對啦,所以這個過去我們在沿海地區我們也要求台電嘛因為過去台電為什麼這個沿海的電感很脆弱因為長期被這個海水侵蝕之後所以加強這個基底的一個穩固性也是未來我們建設基地台要強化的一個部分啦你不能用一般的標準啦這10幾噸的標準,你要延伏15幾噸的,你也要倒移"},{"start":16800.809,"end":16821.646,"text":"我想這個未來建制基地台一定要有這個真的要超任性的一個基準來建立然後我們剛剛提到那個低軌衛星的行動基地台請問一下目前我們各縣市都有配置嗎跟委員報告就是我們總共有30台那是依據災害防治中心他把全台灣分成4區還是5區那這包含離島總共5區"},{"start":16827.898,"end":16849.826,"text":"北部有七臺 中部十臺 南部八臺 東部五臺那這個都是對應到災害防治中心它的災害應變中心它的分區由這個分區來調度但是在這一次我們是把幾乎全臺灣的行動車都調到臺南跟嘉義去了這次我們使用率怎麼樣"},{"start":16851.536,"end":16860.397,"text":"根據我們看到的資料這個只要有調度過去的那個使用率都非常高包含他的資料量都非常大所以一定有這個必要性繼續建置嗎"},{"start":16863.085,"end":16880.146,"text":"我相信是有必要因為他在這一次他針對局部是有發揮關鍵的效益對但是我們未來要因應是全面性有可能會回到你現在能夠處理局部性那未來遇到更大規模甚至暫時的時候我們不是因為要做一樣超前部署的一個規劃嗎"},{"start":16881.487,"end":16902.801,"text":"局部性的因為因為這個低軌衛星的車子就像支架一樣是針對局部那你如果是全面性的其實電力的韌性跟這個光纖的韌性這個也是必須要考慮的如果是這樣講那就不用做了因為沒有通通都要做卡了那麼多的關卡都沒有一個可以竊決啊"},{"start":16904.377,"end":16918.726,"text":"沒有 全面性的災害本來就是要全面性的解決嘛你不可能單靠一招就可以解決啊對 所以我們才是 我剛剛為什麼提說你現在連撥泡 撥泡幫你就說不清楚是要讓大家這些災民能夠安心啦"},{"start":16919.315,"end":16942.01,"text":"所以我們在下半年的補助就會針對高抗災基地台跟發電機這邊來做補助我就是要你講這句話是不是趁這一次我們也有特別預算有相關的預算應該是不是及早把這些我相信這一次包含不分不分朝野不分政黨我想應該大家都會支持這樣的一個預算你們要順這個資金提出你們的需求是不是應該這樣做"},{"start":16943.666,"end":16968.744,"text":"你要分好幾次到位嗎?不如要一次到位這我們看就是要一次到位啦最後請災防辦王主任主任我想你剛剛也從早上做到現在那災防辦的角色來講你自己目前聽到目前為止這麼單位的答覆你個人滿意嗎?"},{"start":16971.641,"end":16975.925,"text":"我們災防辦負責就是在中央災害應變中心擔任不了參謀"},{"start":16976.946,"end":17006.028,"text":"那各部會進駐的同仁在整個應變中心的作業過程當中包括通訊的資源調度其實是他們是非常努力的因為這次災害的剛才委員有提到說風力已經超過了一些極限所以是非常的大那他們在很多的一個調度上真的都盡心盡力但是還是有不足的地方當然是那災防辦應該扮演什麼角色可不可以再協助做整合的一個平台"},{"start":17006.73,"end":17026.258,"text":"是對於這個部分其實在比較短期的部分我們行政院長卓院長已經在對於災後的復原重建包括通訊的這一塊剛才有提到非常多的一個委員的一些相關的建議我們可以納住"},{"start":17027.038,"end":17043.206,"text":"近期這個關於通訊把它任性把它做一些強化那中長期當然需要靠一些中長程的一個計畫去做推動在預算資源的投入 人力的投入也要去做一些強化 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量因為30台我已經派了28台那的確量28台是沒辦法補1256台的所以這個部分的確我們目前的量是不夠的所以現在你說每個業者在多補助"},{"start":18378.598,"end":18407.953,"text":"我們下半年會再多補助從現有的預算這還不包含救災預算從現有預算再補助再多擠出每個業者三台多九台然後我們會把剩下的行動基地台車先把他的衛星支架裝好因為衛星支架裝上去也是需要價錢那個低軌衛星我還看到一個重要新聞台哥大台哥大他們有宣布啊他們說他們已經成功運用現有的手機就不用經過基地台"},{"start":18409.38,"end":18423.125,"text":"他是經過限流手機直接接低軌的衛星進行這個簡訊的發送跟影音的通知已經成功驗證了太空基地台這個技術你們跟他們聯絡嗎那個是那個是他有跟我們申請的實驗計畫"},{"start":18425.306,"end":18449.625,"text":"現在沒辦法推展是吧那個目前是實驗他還沒有申請商轉的執照那因為這個跟太空職業通訊在6G的規格裡面是有那包含我們高空氣球計畫都是針對6G的時候在做這個準備如果可以透過手機就盡快了加速去推動我最後要做三個呼籲跟建議因為主席國城已經站起來了第一個NCC"},{"start":18451.465,"end":18477.964,"text":"NCC是兩個禮拜內請你完成盤點中華電信、台哥大、遠傳三家電信業者的行動基地台的數量這裡應該你手上就有對不對對第二個更重要的SOP要做出來完成天災任何天災發生的時候這些電信業者他的行動基地行動基地台這個台車啊包括他有衛星設備的這個他怎麼去投入災區的協助他有多少數量地點優先順序要先規劃出來有沒有"},{"start":18479.505,"end":18497.533,"text":"好 你當然颱風來或天災來每個地方會不一樣可是你之前一定是有先應應過嘛對不對 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或者看到狀況的話他們要去執行公務的時候他們本身他們家裡就必須要有這些緊急通訊的設備不知道有沒有做這些準備"},{"start":18672.758,"end":18699.085,"text":"跟委員簡單回應就是跨部會要協力的部分在我們在防辦的那個應變中心那邊其實都有協調各部會有遇到什麼狀況要各部會來協調處理像剛剛委員提到說道路不通需要當地政府或者中央部會來協力的部分在那個機制底下會有這個協作會有這個協調通報機制我相信那邊應該可以做一定程度的處理"},{"start":18700.406,"end":18726.897,"text":"因為就是沒有得到緩解沒有得到處理上次就是有這樣子的例子在所以我這次特別提出來我是希望說數位部可以一起跟他們思考因為隨時都有可能再有下一次的天災那這一些的承包商他們是要排除道路障礙的承包商是要讓電信能夠通訊能夠順利進去來去復原的承包商他們必須要有最基本的通訊設備那這個通訊設備不是只有市化或者是他們手機因為那個時候都沒有通訊所以"},{"start":18728.197,"end":18739.788,"text":"可能包含緊急的無線電的系統或者是因為他們是在某一個鄉鎮裡面他就是負責那個鄉鎮所以他必須要跟公所或者他必須跟消防隊至少有點對接這個應該很好去處理是吧"},{"start":18744.773,"end":18759.668,"text":"其實我相信在房中主管機關其實會有一些衛星大哥大那些都可以來會有一個相關的工具來處理如果他們需要的話他們其實已經有這個資源像在IMASA他們都有這個"},{"start":18760.668,"end":18779.941,"text":"希望說這樣子的方針能夠把他們傳下去讓人家可以得到這些緩解那再來就是今天我特別想提到說上週我將這個大大是颱風的災後重建特別條例草案裡面的建議版本來給行政院參考那其中裡面關於通訊的韌性的強化的部分我有提出的草案的第26條"},{"start":18780.982,"end":18799.514,"text":"我裡面有提到說核心局站跟基地財的這個備援能力備援的電力那上次這個愛立信有來拜訪我們的辦公室那有提到說現在的備援就是說這些通信設施的備援大概是他們都在抓4個小時左右那我想請教一下"},{"start":18800.074,"end":18815.377,"text":"包含這個抗風結構強化或者是被人定義跟這個傳輸路由的多樣化你們會不會把這個相關的spec把它開出來因為現在很明顯的話那就是四個小時有例如四個小時有沒有想要把它延長這個時限嗎這些看法不知道有沒有得到相關的資訊"},{"start":18816.138,"end":18837.788,"text":"是 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像剛剛委員所提到的4小時是基本配備那高抗災部分是要要求72小時那另外剛剛講說抗風係數目前NCG的審議規範就已經要求要抗15級風那未來如果極端氣候需要再調整我們會來與時並進來檢討這個抗風級數的要求要不要提高"},{"start":18842.247,"end":18858.023,"text":"好因為我想就是這一次就把它當成是一個基礎就從今天開始我們可能會遇到的這個災損的狀況可能就是由這次NAS颱風作為基礎所以相關的這個規格可能就要以這次為基礎"},{"start":18858.664,"end":18881.357,"text":"那我當然知道過去我們都會有什麼20年30年等等的標準等等那這一次可能就是未來天災或者是極端氣候可能會成為常態這樣的狀況之下我們的備援電力跟抗風結構能力的這個規格可能要向上提升那向上提升的話當然會付出的預算會比較多所以我們才特別請行政院提出特別的預算把這個多餘的這些成本納入考量"},{"start":18881.957,"end":18896.188,"text":"那剛才提到的就是我們講到通訊的這個韌性我知道你說災防辦要去做處理災防等等等等但是我還是一樣提到規格就是包含這一次我提到的這些承包商他們也必須納入緊急"},{"start":18897.989,"end":18925.98,"text":"應變或者是數位韌性的規格裡面比如說以後我們要求這個相公所也好或者是縣府也好或者是行政院的中央部會也好我們配合的這些企業廠商他必須有一定的通訊能力不是什麼東西都去找政府你竟然要承包這個開口契約來去來去成造這個重要的這個緊急應變你必須要除了你本身之外的這個通訊設備你才可以在你自己需要幫忙的時候可以聯繫到外界"},{"start":18926.42,"end":18954.849,"text":"你當你自己要去做緊急救助的時候你自己不能夠沒有得到幫助然後你根本出不去那這會延緩很多所以剛才我知道有些委員會說為什麼幾個小時都還沒有過去都還沒有辦法幫助因為有很多的例子是這些執行第一線的這些人員他們根本也在受困的狀況之下甚至是沒有通訊的狀況之下所以我剛才作為立法委員我不是指揮系統的這個一環事實上我認為我想藉著這次機會跟大家講說在指揮系統的一環就是說不可以在"},{"start":18956.209,"end":18976.326,"text":"在災難的當時所有的民代我們全部都擠到第一線我們應該是可以去關心但是要讓現場的行政的指揮系統他不能夠被我們指指點點我們是在之後在災害之後我們提出來的是我們的政策 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