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tracking和MarineTraffic全部可以對應，在領海基線以內12浬、24浬，這中間所有黃色的是商船，紅色的是郵輪，但是這裡面有上百記灰色的，不管是在錨泊的或者是在行動，統統都把AIS關掉，因此對於我們海巡的同仁來講，舉例來說，剛剛提了雖然有很多投資，未來在海岸監控不管設有多少定點雷達站或者是機動雷達站，再加上未來的紅外線偵測，因為對於這種RCS非常小的目的，基本上傳統雷達，就算先進雷達，其涵蓋範圍跟距離是很短的，所以這個不能把它變成海巡署單一的責任。","quality":0.643},{"speaker":"陳委員永康","start":"2026-04-13T10:36:57.511000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:36:58.572000+08:00","text":"我建議怎麼做呢？","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"陳委員永康","start":"2026-04-13T10:36:58.892000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:38:24.887000+08:00","text":"第一個，把臺灣周遭所有海岸線1,200公里的長度，去掉有些懸崖峭壁、沒有聯外的，每20公里的衛星照片，把海灘聯外道路配合roadmap全部套疊起來，我們大概用50張圖，然後用國內的研究機制，不管是找學校合作或是大海局，把這個圖做出來，海軍、海巡共同分享，也就是說，雷達站的位置配合往後無人機可以涵蓋的範圍，至於無人機，剛剛講到endurance（持續力）有多遠、續航力有多長，最主要就是傳輸距離有多少，而傳輸的頻道、通訊頻道是要花錢的，並不是free的，所以買了裝備以後，維持費跟使用費還要納入年度作維費裡面，這種情況下來，對於海巡跟海軍，因為海軍涵蓋範圍比較大，它的雷達是偵蒐中大型目標，而我們講的小型跟微型是不同的，如果一個RCS只有0.1m2，這不是我們海軍傳統的，對空看的話它可能是匿蹤的、可能是無人機，對空跟海面的搜索又是不同雷達的規格，所以這個部分就是海巡跟海軍大家將來有共同合作努力的空間。","quality":0.679},{"speaker":"陳委員永康","start":"2026-04-13T10:38:25.727000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:39:04.196000+08:00","text":"最主要就是現在我們的電子海圖是內政部在出，但實際上海圖的校正是大氣海洋局在做，做出來的圖像，海圖、航圖經過校正套疊，這個時候有一個目標出來，有沒有配合空中的飛機導引，未來我們在追蹤上面，就是說它不只是工程的技術、不只是我們的法規，這裡面還有戰術思維的運用，我們希望將來跨域的單位，第一個，我們講的共同圖像並不是開會的時候拿出來打的。","quality":0.987},{"speaker":"陳委員永康","start":"2026-04-13T10:39:05.066000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:39:16.721000+08:00","text":"我打比方來講，我們有很多地方的顯示圖像並沒有接入每一個地區的網路，也就是說海巡是不是會跟海軍立即通，但是現在進步的是什麼呢？","quality":0.655},{"speaker":"陳委員永康","start":"2026-04-13T10:39:19.164000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:39:45.433000+08:00","text":"現在我有智慧型眼鏡兩到三個，看到的雷達圖像就進到手機，然後用你的頻道就傳出去了，而不是要裝備的實體去網路，因為執法並不是在戰時，承平時期的壓力就已經非常大了，所以要不同的人在不同的location監控，這個時候可能人力的負荷，我們也建議未來要提升。","quality":0.678},{"speaker":"陳委員永康","start":"2026-04-13T10:39:46.314000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:39:52.037000+08:00","text":"最主要就是共同圖像，從大區的戰略圖像到分區的小圖像。","quality":0.708},{"speaker":"陳委員永康","start":"2026-04-13T10:39:53.098000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:40:04.562000+08:00","text":"今天主要講的是微型的目標，這個東西並不能用裝備的規格來審視一定會抓得到，所以這個責任是要分攤，但是不要哪個人攤。","quality":0.596},{"speaker":"陳委員永康","start":"2026-04-13T10:40:05.562000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:40:10.824000+08:00","text":"我把這個構想提出，並把後面幾個做了一個流程給大家參考，就不要花太多的時間。","quality":0.529},{"speaker":"陳委員永康","start":"2026-04-13T10:40:12.458000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:40:31.510000+08:00","text":"像海巡署裝了寬頻的系統，它的有效支援範圍及互通程度，數發部兩年前就提升了將來警消對話的流程，爭取在臺建置閘道，能不能夠有更高的頻寬流量？","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"陳委員永康","start":"2026-04-13T10:40:32.350000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:40:34.272000+08:00","text":"及LEO站等，這些都提供大家作參考。","quality":0.562},{"speaker":"陳委員永康","start":"2026-04-13T10:40:35.653000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:40:39.395000+08:00","text":"數發部以前提供的是低軌衛星，我們現在能夠用到什麼程度？","quality":0.68},{"speaker":"陳委員永康","start":"2026-04-13T10:40:40.016000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:40:43.118000+08:00","text":"這些通通都是我們在持續努力精進的。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳委員永康","start":"2026-04-13T10:40:43.599000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:40:55.807000+08:00","text":"最後是海上無人小型目標的監控，這部分我們提供國防部作參考，這些細節不在這邊討論，我想聽一下局長跟副部長的回應。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-13T10:40:56.527000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:41:11.435000+08:00","text":"委員大概有提醒三個重點，第一部分是針對中共對臺灣的複合式威脅，正如委員指出的，可能包括軍事恫嚇、經濟脅迫、資安侵擾、認知作戰的操作以及海上灰帶的侵擾。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-13T10:41:13.175000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:41:24.219000+08:00","text":"我們每天都在應對中共這些複合式威脅，不能夠掉以輕心，很有可能這些複合式威脅也是未來中共要在臺海新型續戰的前置作業流程。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-13T10:41:24.699000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:41:32.802000+08:00","text":"這個部分國安情報機關倒是有建立一個跨部會的情資整合平臺，希望能夠掌握中共最新的海上侵擾動態。","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-13T10:41:33.702000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:41:47.465000+08:00","text":"第二部分委員有提到空域保留區，確實像委員所提出來的，我們在第一時間去查證就發現，他的空域保留區並沒有重疊到相關的民航機航線，有刻意避開。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-13T10:41:47.585000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:41:58.728000+08:00","text":"第二個，我們跟民航單位確認，也都不必再跟上海飛航情報局做任何的通報，所以存在比較高的是軍事上跟政治上的意涵，這也是我們觀察中……","quality":0.948},{"speaker":"陳委員永康","start":"2026-04-13T10:41:59.128000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:42:03.431000+08:00","text":"容我說明一下，我們並不需要跟上海飛航局通報……","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-13T10:42:03.431000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T10:42:04.431000+08:00","text":"不用，對，也沒有……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員永康","start":"2026-04-13T10:42:03.431000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:42:13.960000+08:00","text":"我最主要是告訴你，我們需要有上海飛航情報區的航線畫出來的圖，然後去對應當時的飛行路徑，一比較就可以，並不需要……","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-13T10:42:14.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:42:15.441000+08:00","text":"對，沒有……完全避開的，完全避開。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-13T10:42:15.701000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:42:26.130000+08:00","text":"第三點，委員有提醒如何透過多元情資整合彙整相關的情資，並且有一個共同的圖臺、圖像的展現。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-13T10:42:26.810000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:42:48.627000+08:00","text":"事實上針對這個部分，本人上個月也才到海巡署，跟海巡署所有一級主管針對一些新的通報機制，以及新的技術運用做共同合作的努力，也引進民間這方面的科技能量，提升我們的偵蒐量能，所以這部分我們繼續來努力。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"陳委員永康","start":"2026-04-13T10:42:49.647000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:42:50.448000+08:00","text":"請副部長做一個簡單的回應。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"徐副部長斯儉","start":"2026-04-13T10:42:52.009000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:42:52.809000+08:00","text":"是，委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐副部長斯儉","start":"2026-04-13T10:42:52.809000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:43:00.332000+08:00","text":"三點，第一點，您的PowerPoint實在是讓我非常崇拜，麻煩分享給我們，我仔細閱讀跟學習一下。","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"徐副部長斯儉","start":"2026-04-13T10:43:00.712000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:43:28.448000+08:00","text":"第二點，我非常贊成您所說的要跨單位協同，現在我們海軍跟海巡署實際上已經在協同，他們情資是分享的，這沒有問題，問題有兩個，第一個，就您所說關於ISR增置的能力要新建，剛才海巡署和我們也說了，我們都在建，無人機或者是衛星也好。","quality":0.91},{"speaker":"徐副部長斯儉","start":"2026-04-13T10:43:29.730000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:43:43.827000+08:00","text":"另外一個是AI，因為當你收到大量的圖資，如果沒有AI，人力根本是判不過來的，所以AI非常、非常重要，本部的AI目前是在特別預算裡面。","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"徐副部長斯儉","start":"2026-04-13T10:43:45.088000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:44:08.156000+08:00","text":"最後一點，未來我希望大家都具有AI能力以後彼此協助，但是我要跟委員報告，我們國軍的偵蒐目標及任務導向與海巡還是不一樣，所以可能到時候AI整理完了以後，各自還是有其偵蒐的對象，以上。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"陳委員永康","start":"2026-04-13T10:44:10.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:44:19.314000+08:00","text":"最後一個小問題請海巡署回答，因為在您報告中提到的監控包括紅色海灘，您定義的紅色海灘是什麼？","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-13T10:44:19.514000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:44:21.658000+08:00","text":"紅色海灘就是現在國防部定義的紅色海灘。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳委員永康","start":"2026-04-13T10:44:22.956000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:44:44.868000+08:00","text":"那個不一樣，紅色海灘是兩棲登陸，正規的登陸，但是現在都已經到營級以下了，所以那個紅色海灘並不是你現在的重點，我這邊提出個建議，最主要就是他的滲透登陸、滲透搶灘，跟真正兩棲正規的，你看得到周波進行要登陸的那個海灘，那倒不是您這邊的重點，謝謝。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-13T10:44:45.368000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T10:44:46.796571+08:00","text":"是，謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-13T10:44:47.096571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T10:44:51.096571+08:00","text":"好，接下來請陳俊宇委員上臺質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}