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真的也許我們賴總統對於台灣的現代法治狀況有一些不了解的地方回去告訴我們行政院院長請我們法務部長有機會幫賴總統上個課第一個了解現在是到底是多麼荒謬"},{"start":369.824,"end":385.021,"text":"多麼荒謬的狀況才會今天有朝野政黨加上法務部都想要提供修法第二個請賴總統學會不要去隨便抹黑別人要抹黑啊連法務部連民進黨連賴瑞榮一起抹黑謝謝您"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-13T10:46:27.443000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:46:29.826000+08:00","text":"請法務部馮次長、刑事廳許廳長。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-13T10:46:29.826000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:46:29.926000+08:00","text":"有請馮次長、許廳長。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"馮次長成","start":"2026-04-13T10:46:29.926000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:46:30.026000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-13T10:46:44.220000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:46:55.929000+08:00","text":"臺北市清潔隊員捐殘值32元的電鍋給拾荒婦人，遭檢方以貪污治罪條例起訴，經士林地方法院判刑三個月。","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-13T10:46:56.889000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:47:10.199000+08:00","text":"去年本席在司法及法制委員會質詢鄭部長時，我說這是一個缺乏同理心、沒有溫度的司法，離國民情感太遠，給人的感覺是捐鍋者誅、詐騙者侯！","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-13T10:47:12.821000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:47:15.202000+08:00","text":"好人被懲罰，壞人逍遙法外！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-13T10:47:16.042000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:47:19.764000+08:00","text":"你知道當時部長怎麼回答我嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-13T10:47:19.764000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:47:28.427000+08:00","text":"我告訴你，他說：此案確實情輕法重，剛剛次長也有講到情輕法重，並承諾說法務部會提出修法。","quality":0.737},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-13T10:47:29.988000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:47:34.449000+08:00","text":"其實部長不只對本席承諾，我幫您回憶一下。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-13T10:47:35.430000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:48:04.639000+08:00","text":"去年12月3日陳培瑜委員質詢時，部長說該案確實情輕法重，法務部已經提出貪污治罪條例第十二條條文修正草案，因為貪污所得在5萬元以下情節輕微，故修法多一個免除其刑的選項，讓法官及檢方在處理上有更大的裁量空間。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-13T10:48:05.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:48:11.841000+08:00","text":"請問次長，部長在去年底的宣示，法務部現在還認同嗎？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-13T10:48:11.841000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:48:12.461000+08:00","text":"還是已經改變了？","quality":1},{"speaker":"馮次長成","start":"2026-04-13T10:48:13.742000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:48:15.102000+08:00","text":"我們的立場一向一致。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-13T10:48:15.842000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:48:17.122000+08:00","text":"還是一樣，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-13T10:48:17.122000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:48:18.863000+08:00","text":"好，我給次長一個肯定。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-13T10:48:19.818000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:48:33.678000+08:00","text":"我告訴您，其實部長不只對陳培瑜委員這樣回答，事實上對翁曉玲委員、對吳宗憲委員也是這樣回答，所以這是法務部非常清楚的立場。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-13T10:48:35.268000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:48:59.223000+08:00","text":"其實今天不只法務部的態度如此，不知您是否知道，現在要參選高雄市長的賴瑞隆委員也提出貪污治罪條例的修法版本，即新臺幣5萬元以下者得減輕其刑至期刑三分之一或免除其刑，與法務部的修法方向大致一致，對不對？","quality":0.793},{"speaker":"馮次長成","start":"2026-04-13T10:49:00.317000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:49:01.697000+08:00","text":"效果相同。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-13T10:49:01.697000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T10:49:02.998000+08:00","text":"也相同？","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-13T10:49:02.998000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:49:11.599000+08:00","text":"好，我接下來想請教，我底下說的這句話，你幫我想想看是誰說的？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-13T10:49:12.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:49:24.642000+08:00","text":"「在全民厭惡貪污、期待廉政的同時，在野黨正推動修法，要讓5萬元以下的貪污免除刑責」，請問這句話是誰說的？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-13T10:49:28.319000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:49:30.400000+08:00","text":"我告訴你，賴清德總統說的！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-13T10:49:31.860000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:49:43.524000+08:00","text":"我想請問，賴清德總統說要修正5萬元以下貪污免除刑責……賴總統你反對，我沒有意見，但你不要扣在野黨帽子！","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-13T10:49:44.464000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:49:46.565000+08:00","text":"你正確的說法應該是：法務部可惡！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-13T10:49:48.337000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:49:49.718000+08:00","text":"賴瑞隆可惡！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-13T10:49:49.718000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:49:51.838000+08:00","text":"當然國民黨也可惡！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-13T10:49:51.838000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:50:17.267000+08:00","text":"因為提出了這個修法版本，針對情輕法重的狀況，5萬元以下貪污所得可以有免除其刑的選項，提出這個意見的，不只在野黨，法務部有提出這個意見，民進黨也有提出這個意見，怎麼今天變成是在野黨支持貪污、反對廉政？","quality":0.899},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-13T10:50:19.172000+08:00","guessed":fals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