{"error":false,"id":["168458"],"data":{"IVOD_ID":168458,"IVOD_URL":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168458","日期":"2026-04-13","會議資料":{"會議代碼":"委員會-11-5-20-7","會議代碼:str":"第11屆第5會期財政委員會第7次全體委員會議","屆":11,"會期":5,"會次":7,"臨時會會次":null,"種類":"委員會","委員會代碼":[20],"委員會代碼:str":["財政委員會"],"標題":"第11屆第5會期財政委員會第7次全體委員會議"},"影片種類":"Clip","開始時間":"2026-04-13T10:48:12+08:00","結束時間":"2026-04-13T10:59:48+08:00","影片長度":"00:11:36","支援功能":["ai-transcript","gazette"],"video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5655ee4938da65e16724735442b141b3e63d9eaeca1783e3aa0fde58f0e31cf294bd1da7f89406e15ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"劉書彬","委員發言時間":"10:48:12 - 10:59:48","會議時間":"2026-04-13T09:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、中央銀行、國家發展委員會、經濟部率台灣電力股份有限公司董事長及台灣中油股份有限公司董事長、衛生福利部、法務部就「中東衝突對能源、物價、民生與醫療物資供應及市場秩序之中長期影響與因應檢討，暨因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民生國安韌性特別預算執行情形」進行專題報告，並備質詢。）","transcript":{"pyannote":[{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"劉委員書彬","start":6.00471875,"end":13.53096875,"speaker_score":0.952},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"劉委員書彬","start":13.649093750000002,"end":14.172218750000003,"speaker_score":0.952},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"劉委員書彬","start":16.26471875,"end":16.46721875,"speaker_score":0.952},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"劉委員書彬","start":21.91784375,"end":69.91034375000001,"speaker_score":0.952},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"嚴副總裁宗大","start":60.08909375,"end":60.46034375000001,"speaker_score":0.948},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"劉委員書彬","start":70.99034375000001,"end":78.12846875000001,"speaker_score":0.952},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"嚴副總裁宗大","start":78.38159375000001,"end":82.78596875000001,"speaker_score":0.948},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"嚴副總裁宗大","start":83.08971875,"end":85.14846875,"speaker_score":0.948},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"嚴副總裁宗大","start":86.04284375,"end":87.51096875,"speaker_score":0.948},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"劉委員書彬","start":86.12721875000001,"end":86.27909375,"speaker_score":0.952},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"嚴副總裁宗大","start":87.69659375,"end":92.45534375000001,"speaker_score":0.948},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"嚴副總裁宗大","start":92.79284375,"end":96.97784375,"speaker_score":0.948},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"嚴副總裁宗大","start":97.07909375000001,"end":99.15471875,"speaker_score":0.948},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"嚴副總裁宗大","start":99.77909375,"end":99.91409375,"speaker_score":0.948},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"劉委員書彬","start":99.91409375,"end":101.90534375,"speaker_score":0.952},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"劉委員書彬","start":103.17096875,"end":111.57471875,"speaker_score":0.952},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"嚴副總裁宗大","start":111.79409375,"end":119.80971875,"speaker_score":0.948},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"嚴副總裁宗大","start":120.01221875,"end":121.04159375,"speaker_score":0.948},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"劉委員書彬","start":121.54784375000001,"end":121.83471875000001,"speaker_score":0.952},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"嚴副總裁宗大","start":121.83471875000001,"end":121.86846875,"speaker_score":0.948},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"劉委員書彬","start":121.86846875,"end":121.93596875,"speaker_score":0.952},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"劉委員書彬","start":122.07096875,"end":156.22596875000002,"speaker_score":0.952},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","speaker_name":"賴次長建信","start":156.85034375,"end":159.83721875,"speaker_score":0.949},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","speaker_name":"賴次長建信","start":160.37721875,"end":165.62534375,"speaker_score":0.949},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","speaker_name":"賴次長建信","start":166.35096875000002,"end":174.63659375,"speaker_score":0.949},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","speaker_name":"賴次長建信","start":174.99096875,"end":179.93534375000002,"speaker_score":0.949},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"劉委員書彬","start":179.93534375000002,"end":182.71971875,"speaker_score":0.952},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","speaker_name":"賴次長建信","start":182.71971875,"end":192.74346875,"speaker_score":0.949},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","speaker_name":"賴次長建信","start":192.82784375,"end":196.94534375,"speaker_score":0.949},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"劉委員書彬","start":196.75971875000002,"end":203.67846875,"speaker_score":0.952},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","speaker_name":"賴次長建信","start":205.09596875000003,"end":216.52034375000002,"speaker_score":0.949},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"方董事長振仁","start":215.55846875,"end":216.46971875000003,"speaker_score":0.945},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","speaker_name":"賴次長建信","start":217.00971875000002,"end":217.27971875,"speaker_score":0.949},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","speaker_name":"賴次長建信","start":217.68471875,"end":220.92471875,"speaker_score":0.949},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","speaker_name":"賴次長建信","start":221.32971875,"end":227.91096875000002,"speaker_score":0.949},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","speaker_name":"賴次長建信","start":227.99534375000002,"end":229.68284375000002,"speaker_score":0.949},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","speaker_name":"賴次長建信","start":229.85159375,"end":233.53034375000001,"speaker_score":0.949},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","speaker_name":"賴次長建信","start":233.80034375000002,"end":238.54221875000002,"speaker_score":0.949},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","speaker_name":"賴次長建信","start":238.77846875,"end":239.68971875000003,"speaker_score":0.949},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","speaker_name":"賴次長建信","start":239.75721875000002,"end":241.54596875000001,"speaker_score":0.949},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","speaker_name":"賴次長建信","start":241.69784375,"end":252.26159375,"speaker_score":0.949},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"劉委員書彬","start":250.70909375000002,"end":301.23284375000003,"speaker_score":0.952},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","speaker_name":"賴次長建信","start":254.92784375000002,"end":256.12596875,"speaker_score":0.949},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"方董事長振仁","start":302.51534375,"end":325.95471875000004,"speaker_score":0.945},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"方董事長振仁","start":326.37659375000004,"end":335.33721875000003,"speaker_score":0.945},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"劉委員書彬","start":335.74221875,"end":355.11471875,"speaker_score":0.952},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"方董事長振仁","start":355.53659375,"end":366.47159375,"speaker_score":0.945},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"劉委員書彬","start":366.08346875,"end":373.28909375,"speaker_score":0.952},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"方董事長振仁","start":373.67721875,"end":375.97221875,"speaker_score":0.945},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"劉委員書彬","start":376.39409375,"end":427.03596875000005,"speaker_score":0.952},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","speaker_name":"賴次長建信","start":428.30159375000005,"end":431.77784375000005,"speaker_score":0.949},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","speaker_name":"賴次長建信","start":431.89596875,"end":435.16971875,"speaker_score":0.949},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","speaker_name":"賴次長建信","start":435.64221875000004,"end":443.60721875,"speaker_score":0.949},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"劉委員書彬","start":438.39284375000005,"end":438.62909375000004,"speaker_score":0.952},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"嚴副總裁宗大","start":438.62909375000004,"end":438.86534375,"speaker_score":0.948},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"劉委員書彬","start":438.86534375,"end":438.91596875000005,"speaker_score":0.952},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","speaker_name":"賴次長建信","start":443.79284375000003,"end":450.15471875000003,"speaker_score":0.949},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","speaker_name":"賴次長建信","start":450.50909375000003,"end":451.58909375,"speaker_score":0.949},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","speaker_name":"賴次長建信","start":452.09534375000004,"end":453.34409375,"speaker_score":0.949},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","speaker_name":"賴次長建信","start":453.73221875,"end":456.19596875,"speaker_score":0.949},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","speaker_name":"賴次長建信","start":456.49971875000006,"end":474.40409375,"speaker_score":0.949},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"嚴副總裁宗大","start":463.38471875000005,"end":465.08909375,"speaker_score":0.948},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"嚴副總裁宗大","start":465.20721875000004,"end":465.91596875000005,"speaker_score":0.948},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"嚴副總裁宗大","start":466.23659375000005,"end":466.48971875,"speaker_score":0.948},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"嚴副總裁宗大","start":466.65846875000005,"end":466.67534375,"speaker_score":0.948},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","speaker_name":"賴次長建信","start":474.69096875,"end":477.79596875000004,"speaker_score":0.949},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","speaker_name":"賴次長建信","start":477.91409375,"end":479.92221875,"speaker_score":0.949},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","speaker_name":"賴次長建信","start":480.04034375000003,"end":495.73409375000006,"speaker_score":0.949},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"劉委員書彬","start":495.44721875000005,"end":498.14721875000004,"speaker_score":0.952},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","speaker_name":"賴次長建信","start":498.43409375000005,"end":499.54784375,"speaker_score":0.949},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","speaker_name":"賴次長建信","start":500.71221875000003,"end":523.15596875,"speaker_score":0.949},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"劉委員書彬","start":502.19721875000005,"end":504.64409375,"speaker_score":0.952},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"劉委員書彬","start":509.23409375000006,"end":509.60534375000003,"speaker_score":0.952},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"劉委員書彬","start":510.87096875000003,"end":514.11096875,"speaker_score":0.952},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"劉委員書彬","start":522.7509687500001,"end":522.8859687500001,"speaker_score":0.952},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"劉委員書彬","start":523.15596875,"end":535.62659375,"speaker_score":0.952},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"劉委員書彬","start":535.8628437500001,"end":563.9428437500001,"speaker_score":0.952},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","speaker_name":"賴次長建信","start":564.16221875,"end":570.7097187500001,"speaker_score":0.949},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","speaker_name":"賴次長建信","start":571.7222187500001,"end":575.7890937500001,"speaker_score":0.949},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","speaker_name":"賴次長建信","start":576.14346875,"end":592.0903437500001,"speaker_score":0.949},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"劉委員書彬","start":582.57284375,"end":582.6740937500001,"speaker_score":0.952},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"劉委員書彬","start":592.0903437500001,"end":628.7934687500001,"speaker_score":0.952},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","speaker_name":"賴次長建信","start":629.29971875,"end":642.1922187499999,"speaker_score":0.949},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","speaker_name":"賴次長建信","start":642.5803437500001,"end":662.59409375,"speaker_score":0.949},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"劉委員書彬","start":661.90221875,"end":695.12909375,"speaker_score":0.952},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"方董事長振仁","start":671.23409375,"end":671.6728437500001,"speaker_score":0.945},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"方董事長振仁","start":688.2947187500001,"end":689.6615937500001,"speaker_score":0.945},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"方董事長振仁","start":693.01971875,"end":694.3190937500001,"speaker_score":0.945},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"劉委員書彬","start":695.4497187500001,"end":696.96846875,"speaker_score":0.952}],"whisperx":[{"start":6.035,"end":13.167,"text":"好 謝謝主席那有請央行副總裁還有經濟部賴次長跟中油的董事長上台"},{"start":21.943,"end":40.536,"text":"好 副總裁根據主計處公布的這個三月的CPI它的年增率僅到1.2%但是我們看到的是它是因為中油在檔還包括了水果物價下降但是總共在IPI的部分以美元計價的部分月增率到4.68%年增率還到8.53%我這次特別注意到中央銀行的報告當中他指出來說他引的這個IEA"},{"start":50.262,"end":69.49,"text":"還有OECD還有INF跟World Bank當中我指出來說這次中東的這個動盪呢比兩次石油危機加上沃爾戰爭的總和都還要嚴峻嘛對不對對好那這次呢我就想說那央行你們特別在後面有講到說會採取的是說對妥適的一個貨幣政策嘛那我就想說那你們的觀察點是在哪裡呢"},{"start":71.035,"end":72.916,"text":"我們基本上還是看我們對那個物價的 國內物價的通貨膨脹的情況而定"},{"start":86.104,"end":90.628,"text":"就只有這樣子通報膨脹在哪個區間哪個數據才會呈現出來嗎我們過去大概都會在2%的時候是我們的一個警戒線CPI是2%的時候對 但是已經有調整過的嘛"},{"start":103.34,"end":118.784,"text":"這是因為你們有這個評議物價機制啦不過你們現在既然不願意看的話我覺得你們應該是尊重還是國際間的這個趨勢嘛對不對其他的央行的趨勢當然整個國際的經濟金融情勢也會影響到整個國際的金融變化和物價變化我們也會當然會關注這個議題的發展"},{"start":121.601,"end":131.244,"text":"好 那我們在下面再請下一句再請的是信基部次長因為我們看到這是中東最大的這個動盪是因為這個進口能源的價格上升當然你採取的啞鈴最低價還包括一些緩漲的這個措施等等但是依然凸顯出我國的能源的依賴度非常高還有我的能源韌性很"},{"start":143.968,"end":147.629,"text":"具體一點是我們對比去年今年的3月跟去年的3月我們節電了1.68%"},{"start":166.397,"end":185.935,"text":"那除此之外這個是深度節能就是我們能源轉型提升韌性的一環另外一個部分非常的重要是多元的綠能老天爺給我們的我們的自給能源假如可以增加的話這樣子是很好的你會具體說有沒有什麼措施什麼之類的比如說我們的離岸風電現在併網數已經達到4.5G還有包括太陽能光電的話已經達到15.6G"},{"start":194.402,"end":218.991,"text":"這些都不需要進口的這是老天爺給予的那節能部分呢?因為有些這個空氣健康聯盟他們講到說我們的節能啊包括能源效率的提升是非常不好的事實上數據啊更顯示了我們針對於老舊的所謂的家電的這個設施汰換的部分大概今年都可以達到我們的目標除此之外 目標是多少?基本上好像是700多萬台"},{"start":221.377,"end":248.965,"text":"那我們分幾年就把這個今年大概是最後一年可以把我們統計的這個老舊的這個家電把它汰換完那除此之外的話最重要的是工業生產的一個部分那工業生產我們結合包括韌性的方案包括對於節能標章的一個補助我們協助我們的所謂的產業界然後針對於他生產的一個熱棒或是他的冷氣的設施來做一些的輔導跟汰換"},{"start":250.966,"end":254.168,"text":"我想這部分 次長你這邊是不是要匯後給我一個報告這樣子好 沒有問題那我們繼續再往下看 再請問一下中油因為這次的中油的部分的油價做二十幾年以稅前批售價的部分來看的話其實沒什麼大變"},{"start":267.176,"end":282.776,"text":"那最重要的變化最重要的就是還是以杜拜以7D3B就是加上布蘭特遊流的方式來進行但是現在中油的進口時有六成來自美國嘛四成來自中東地區那是不是呢如果你用7D3B的話呢這個漲幅是高達65%"},{"start":285.6,"end":301.005,"text":"那如果改革現狀是6W4D的方式呢再漲幅是54%了那這個存在的11%的這種差距是不是就可能可以改變掉那是不是這樣才能改變到成為更真實的去反映成本"},{"start":303.898,"end":324.798,"text":"首先澄清一下這所謂六成西德州原油事實上我們西德州原油買的還是用布蘭特計價所以它還是B並不是西德州原油這第一個澄清第二個就是所謂7D3B或6D4B來講在整個油價公司它其實是算漲幅它不是算那個絕對值"},{"start":326.465,"end":354.742,"text":"那麼當外界呢對於這個技嘉的公司比例上有所存疑那中央公司也答應了在半年內做出這個檢討好 但是這個半年之內我們想要再繼續看下去因為你們的版本當中是以過去是用在以運費啦然後還有匯率啊加油站等營運的這個費用等等是不是可以考要到不同來源地的這個運費啊還有地緣政治波動的保險費跟受店家跟員工薪資影響的成本都會不會算進去"},{"start":355.829,"end":375.44,"text":"這次這個油價檢討的話,我們有這個考慮,把一些以往沒有考慮進去的因素也一起納進來,一起做一個檢討那是不是到時候你們可以把這樣的一個因素放進來,讓本席也知道說你們到時候這半年,事實上半年還是太久了耶是,這部分我們會一起納入檢討"},{"start":376.66,"end":377.34,"text":"昨天看到的是中國提供十大會台措施的出爐"},{"start":393.465,"end":399.487,"text":"這邊包括大概第五項跟第七項、第八項當中有對於說要對台灣的農業產品包括以採取便利或是小微企業開拓大陸市場這些部分要提供一些便利方便但是這邊我們也看到中國曾經有說病蟲害或是註冊的問題對台灣的產品有做禁運的部分"},{"start":415.031,"end":426.756,"text":"經濟部的態度是怎麼樣那如何避免風險尤其是有些預警機制是不是要提出來甚至還有包括我們也看到說過去農業部分有這種好多項的這樣的國家核心關鍵技術他怎麼樣防止他外流"},{"start":428.482,"end":448.571,"text":"去年我們繳出12年來量力的成...積極成長率的成績單今年依照大家的預估也差不多7.6、7.7左右甚至比中國的4.6都還大幅的所以我們針對於五大信賴產業包括協助中小微企業的轉型傳統產業的轉型力主台灣"},{"start":452.173,"end":479.6,"text":"行銷全世界佈局全球這個就是我們的一個方向那至於你剛剛講農業產品的部分那因為那是屬於農業部的一個主管不過基本上我們看到幾個數據來看的話不論是三大的投資方案截到目前為止的話將近有差不多是2.6兆我們預估到明年可能也超過3.6兆元左右所以我們在既有的這個所謂的軌道上面"},{"start":480.18,"end":497.82,"text":"然後來協助我們國內企業的轉型還有包括他AI的運用甚至是對於我們所注意的維生的半導體還有包括AI的這個部分的發展這就是我們現在所做所以你們認為是對中國就不必特別去注意是嗎過去"},{"start":500.765,"end":520.926,"text":"有統計的數字啊但是台灣全世界各國的一個資金離開中國的一個狀況還是幾乎是一個天來勢的一個下降好 這個我就想繼續再問下去沒問題沒問題我們應該要依照我們自己的這個策略跟我們的步伐然後謹慎的一步一步來面對國際的經濟的一個挑戰"},{"start":523.548,"end":530.473,"text":"這也是看到經濟部的態度那我們繼續往下看到在韌性特別預算當中經濟部持續的提供了四項的產業四大措施嘛460億那這邊呢最重要是提升技術能量跟加強海外市場"},{"start":539.119,"end":553.842,"text":"但是呢我們就想問一下呢經濟部你這邊多元市場分散有增加一些比較多的國家的他們這些比例嗎那有沒有新增市場那我看到有那個報導就是他們做調查是說希望說經濟部這邊我國家這邊能夠在新簽訂的雙邊的貿易協定的規劃這樣會對我們的擴展外交市場有大幫助那請問這邊叫經濟部市長你們這邊的回答是怎麼樣"},{"start":564.195,"end":591.788,"text":"好 謝謝委員在我起初的報告裡面提到我們針對於強化海外的佈局的一個市場包括海外的拓銷的部分我們不但是結合了工協會而也給個別的廠商更多的補助讓他們用台灣的方式去 但是我要看效果啊那效果的部分我剛剛已經有提到了不管是我們的經濟成長實質的成長率我們都比過去的還更好"},{"start":592.128,"end":608.739,"text":"那個是有特殊原因我現在大家看一下市長你看一下這邊我們看到的情況是113年的時候美國是排名在出口值的第二個大市場那去年呢2025年的時候美國變成第一大市場那這個部分呢把它越高而且我們順差也變得越高那這邊對於說要去如果用"},{"start":611.161,"end":628.56,"text":"美國用關稅的上面來去做我們的一些協商來去做一些處理的話呢這又變成一個可能是很大的一個部分就是你們這邊其他的部分對東協啦歐洲日本這些部分呢有沒有再去增加它的一種比例因為看起來還是美國最大的一個集中度啊這樣其實對我並不是好事啊"},{"start":629.292,"end":658.122,"text":"那第一個不管是我們的海外的這個貿易中心不管是在波蘭或是日本我們都有設立那另外的話你剛剛講到這個數據因為AI的大幅的成長那當然他的這個部分這也是我們重要的生產的這個外銷的一個來源所以你會看到這個爭比是很大的但是我們在全球佈局上面不管你是你剛剛講的東亞東協甚至是包括菲律賓這些我們經濟部不管是貿易處"},{"start":659.162,"end":673.687,"text":"我們都有很多的一些相關的一些沒有我希望是看到這實際上有分散的效果不然你們當初的這個效果任性的這個條例的效果我們可能沒有達到那最後一部分就在好那這邊我就這樣相關的部分我再請這個請做書面報告因為反映出來一個問題就是說如果要組成一個國家還是說增加美國的部分的話可能是國家隊的意見必須要國家隊是希望政府能幫忙的部分那就請經濟部這邊再給我們後面一個報告好不好"},{"start":687.591,"end":689.135,"text":"我們後續就請經濟部用書面回覆劉淑冰委員好不好 謝謝主席"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-13T10:48:18.035000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:48:19.097000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-13T10:48:20.018000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:48:25.147000+08:00","text":"有請央行副總裁、經濟部賴次長及中油董事長上臺。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-13T10:48:34.563000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:49:12.506000+08:00","text":"副總裁，根據主計總處公布3月份CPI的年增率僅有1.2%，但是我們看到是因為中油有在抑制，包括水果及物價下跌，但是在IPI以美元計價的部分，月增率到4.68%，年增率還到8.53%，我這次特別注意到中央銀行報告中，指出它引了IEA、OECD、IMF及World Bank當中指出這次中東動盪比兩次石油危機加上俄烏戰爭的總和還要嚴峻嘛，對不對？對。好。","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-13T10:49:14.047000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:49:18.849000+08:00","text":"你們央行特別在後面有提到會採取妥適的貨幣政策嘛！","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-13T10:49:19.429000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:49:21.470000+08:00","text":"我想請教你們的觀察點是在哪裡呢？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-13T10:49:21.470000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T10:49:23.055000+08:00","text":"如果像貨幣政策要做一些調整的話，你們觀察點是在哪裡，再決定後面的措施呢？","quality":0.03},{"speaker":"嚴副總裁宗大","start":"2026-04-13T10:49:23.055000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:49:24.896000+08:00","text":"基本上，還是看我們對國內物價通貨膨脹的情況而定。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-13T10:49:38.104000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:49:38.625000+08:00","text":"就只有這樣子？對。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-13T10:49:40.006000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:49:40.546000+08:00","text":"通貨膨脹在哪個區間？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-13T10:49:40.546000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:49:40.907000+08:00","text":"哪個數據會呈現出來嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"嚴副總裁宗大","start":"2026-04-13T10:49:40.927000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:49:41.888000+08:00","text":"過去CPI大概都會在2%的時候，會是我們一個警戒線。","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-13T10:49:42.248000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:49:42.608000+08:00","text":"對，但是這已經是有調整過的嘛？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-13T10:49:55.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:50:02.322000+08:00","text":"這是因為你們有平抑物價機制，你們現在既然不願意看的話，我覺得你們應該尊重國際間其他央行的趨勢嘛，對不對？。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"嚴副總裁宗大","start":"2026-04-13T10:50:03.942000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:50:10.764000+08:00","text":"當然整個國際的經濟及金融情勢，也會影響到整個國際的金融變化和物價變化，我們當然會關注這個議題的發展。","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-13T10:50:13.601000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:50:18.363000+08:00","text":"好，下面再請經濟部次長。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-13T10:50:18.463000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:50:23.224000+08:00","text":"我們看到中東最大的動盪，是因為進口能源的價格上升，當然你採取了亞鄰最低價，還包括一些緩漲、凍漲的措施等等，但是依然凸顯出我國能源的依賴度非常高，還有能源韌性很差的情況。","quality":0.883},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-13T10:50:23.224000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T10:50:29.596000+08:00","text":"請問次長，您是否覺得在我國能源韌性這部分……剛才其實有人問到，你特別在節流部分、能源效率的提升跟儲電方面，有什麼具體措施？","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-13T10:50:29.596000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T10:50:35.968000+08:00","text":"能不能說具體一點？","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-04-13T10:50:35.968000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:51:03.582000+08:00","text":"具體一點是，對比今年3月跟去年3月，我們節電了1.68%，除此之外，深度節能就是我們能源轉型提升韌性的一環。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-04-13T10:51:03.582000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:51:11.809000+08:00","text":"另外一個部分非常重要的是多元的綠能、老天爺給我們的，我們的自給能源假如可以增加的話，這樣子是很好的。","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-13T10:51:11.989000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:51:14.512000+08:00","text":"你可不可以具體說有沒有什麼措施之類的？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-04-13T10:51:15.052000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:51:28.883000+08:00","text":"比如我們的離岸風電，現在併網數已經達到4.5Giga，還有包括太陽能光電已經達到15.6Gigawatt左右，這些都不需要進口，這是老天爺給我們的。","quality":0.781},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-13T10:51:28.943000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:51:29.863000+08:00","text":"對，那節能部分呢？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-13T10:51:30.003000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:51:35.445000+08:00","text":"因為有些健康空氣聯盟說我們的節能，包括能源效率的提升是非常不好的。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-04-13T10:51:37.546000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:51:47.650000+08:00","text":"事實上，數據更顯示了針對於老舊家電設施汰換的部分，大概今年都可以達到我們的目標，除此之外……","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-13T10:51:47.770000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:51:48.210000+08:00","text":"目標是多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-04-13T10:51:50.111000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:52:01.479000+08:00","text":"基本上好像是七百多萬臺，我們分幾年把這個……今年大概是最後一年，可以把我們統計的老舊家電汰換完成。","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-04-13T10:52:02.180000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:52:20.965000+08:00","text":"除此之外，最重要的是工業生產的部分，我們結合包括韌性的方案、包括對於節能標章的補助，協助產業界針對生產的熱泵或是冷氣設施，來做輔導跟汰換，這些都產生了效果。","quality":0.873},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-13T10:52:23.166000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:52:23.587000+08:00","text":"關於這部分，次長是不是會後給我一個報告？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-04-13T10:52:23.687000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:52:23.867000+08:00","text":"好，沒有問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-13T10:52:23.927000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:52:54.776000+08:00","text":"我們繼續再往下看，要請問一下中油的部分，中油的油價就二十幾年以來的稅前批售價來看，其實沒什麼大變化，最重要的還是以7D3B，就是杜拜加上布蘭特原油的方式來進行，但是現在中油的進口石油六成來自美國，四成來自中東地區，用7D3B漲幅高達65%。","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-13T10:52:57.700000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:53:07.963000+08:00","text":"如果改革現狀為6W4D的方式，漲幅是54%，其中存在11%的差距是不是就可以被改變？","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-13T10:53:08.563000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:53:12.985000+08:00","text":"這樣是不是才能更真實地反映成本？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-13T10:53:15.898000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:53:28.730000+08:00","text":"報告委員，首先澄清一下，所謂六成西德州原油的部分，事實上，西德州原油買的還是用布蘭特計價，所以它還是B，並不是西德州原油，這是第一個澄清。","quality":0.869},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-13T10:53:29.671000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:53:36.778000+08:00","text":"第二個就是所謂7D3B或6W4D來講，在整個油價公式中其實是算漲幅，不是算絕對值。","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-13T10:53:39.486000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:53:47.791000+08:00","text":"當外界對於這個計價公式，在比例上有所存疑，中油公司也答應在半年內做出檢討。","quality":0.853},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-13T10:53:47.791000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:53:49.091000+08:00","text":"好，半年之內。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-13T10:53:49.091000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:54:06.722000+08:00","text":"我們再繼續看下去，因為你們的版本當中，過去是以運費、匯率、加油站營運費用等等，目前是不是可以考量到不同來源地的運費，還有地緣政治波動的保險費跟受電價、員工薪資影響的成本都算進去？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-13T10:54:07.829000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:54:18.115000+08:00","text":"這次的油價檢討，我們會把一些以往沒有考慮進去的因素，也一起納進來做檢討。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-13T10:54:18.295000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:54:25.018000+08:00","text":"是不是到時候你們也可以把這樣的因素放進來，讓本席也知道你們這半年……事實上半年太久了。","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-13T10:54:25.759000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:54:27.440000+08:00","text":"是，這部分我們會一起納入檢討。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-13T10:54:27.440000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T10:54:28.660000+08:00","text":"好，如果你們有這樣的情況，應該跟大家、大眾解釋說，西德州原油的部分事實上是用布蘭特在處理。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-13T10:54:28.660000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:55:07.852000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝，那我們繼續再往下看，昨天看到的是中國提供了十大惠臺措施，其中在第五項、第七項、第八項當中對於臺灣的農漁產品，包括提供便利或是小微企業開拓大陸市場等部分，但是我們也看到中國曾因病蟲害或註冊問題禁運臺灣產品，經濟部的態度是怎麼樣？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-13T10:55:08.012000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:55:09.432000+08:00","text":"要如何避免風險？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-13T10:55:09.432000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:55:11.453000+08:00","text":"尤其有些預警機制是不是要提出來？","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-13T10:55:11.453000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:55:18.736000+08:00","text":"甚至包括農業部分有多項國家核心關鍵技術，要怎麼樣防止外流？","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-04-13T10:55:20.482000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:55:47.974000+08:00","text":"去年我們繳出十二年來亮麗的經濟成長率成績單，今年依照大家的預估也差不多7.6%、7.7%左右，甚至比中國的4.6%幅度還大，所以我們針對於五大信賴產業，包括協助中小微企業的轉型、傳統產業的轉型，立足臺灣，行銷全世界，布局全球，這個就是我們的方向。","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-04-13T10:55:48.734000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:55:55.076000+08:00","text":"至於你剛剛講農漁產品的部分，因為是屬於農業部的主管，不過基本上……","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-13T10:55:55.076000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T10:55:57.636000+08:00","text":"你們要提醒相關的風險嗎？","quality":0.091},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-04-13T10:55:57.636000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:56:27.297000+08:00","text":"從幾個數據來看的話，不論是三大投資方案……截到目前為止將近差不多有2.6兆元，我們預估到明年可能也超過3.6兆元左右，所以我們在既有的軌道上面，來協助國內企業的轉型，還有包括AI的運用，甚至是對於我們所賴以維生的半導體，還有包括AI的發展，這就是我們現在所做的。","quality":0.948},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-13T10:56:27.497000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:56:29.800000+08:00","text":"所以你們認為對中國就不必特別去注意，是嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-04-13T10:56:29.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:56:33.626000+08:00","text":"過去有統計的數字……","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-13T10:56:33.626000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T10:56:34.626000+08:00","text":"就算有人要去，你們也不會預警嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-04-13T10:56:34.247000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:56:42.495000+08:00","text":"但是臺灣……全世界各國的資金離開中國的狀況，幾乎是一個懸崖式的下降……","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-13T10:56:42.955000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:56:44.777000+08:00","text":"好，我就繼續再問下去……","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-04-13T10:56:44.777000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T10:56:45.777000+08:00","text":"然後我們的經濟成長率是這麼好……","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-13T10:56:45.158000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:56:45.498000+08:00","text":"沒問題、沒問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-04-13T10:56:45.498000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:56:52.926000+08:00","text":"我們應該要依照自己的策略跟步伐，謹慎地一步一步來面對國際經濟的挑戰。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-13T10:56:55.548000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:56:57.149000+08:00","text":"好，這也是看到經濟部的態度。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-13T10:56:57.309000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:57:02.473000+08:00","text":"那我們繼續往下看，在韌性特別預算當中，經濟部持續提供支持產業四大措施（460億元），其中最重要的是提升技術能量跟加強海外市場。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-13T10:57:11.779000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:57:18.581000+08:00","text":"想問一下經濟部，針對多元市場分散，有增加比較多的國家比例嗎？","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-13T10:57:18.721000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:57:19.661000+08:00","text":"有沒有新增市場？","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-13T10:57:20.181000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:57:25.242000+08:00","text":"我看到有這個報導，就是他們調查表示希望經濟部這邊、國家這邊，能夠有新簽訂雙邊貿易協定的規劃，這樣對我們擴展外交市場有很大幫助。","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-13T10:57:25.282000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:57:25.842000+08:00","text":"請問這經濟部次長，你們這邊的回答是怎麼樣？","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-04-13T10:57:36.195000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:57:37.656000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-04-13T10:57:37.656000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:57:53.983000+08:00","text":"在我起初的這個報告裡面，有提到我們針對強化海外市場布局，包括海外的拓銷的部分，我們不但是結合了公協會，而且給個別的廠商更多的補助，讓他們用臺灣……","quality":0.894},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-13T10:57:54.383000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:57:55.364000+08:00","text":"可是我要看效果啊！","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-04-13T10:57:56.064000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:58:03.768000+08:00","text":"效果的部分，我剛剛已經有提到了，不管是我們的經濟成長、實質的成長率都比過去更好，然後……","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-13T10:58:04.128000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:58:07.931000+08:00","text":"那個是有特殊原因的，現在大家看一下，次長，你看一下這邊。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-13T10:58:07.931000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:58:35.455000+08:00","text":"我們看到的情況是113年的時候，美國在出口值的排名是第二大市場，到去年（2025年）美國變成第一大市場，順差反而也變得越高，如果美國用關稅手段來影響我們的一些協商及處理的話，這就可能變成是很大的一個部分，你們對中國、東協、歐洲、日本有沒有再去增加他的比例？","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-13T10:58:35.775000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:58:40.320000+08:00","text":"因為看起來美國還是我們最大的出口市埸，這樣其實並不是好事。","quality":0.704},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-04-13T10:58:41.432000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:58:47.434000+08:00","text":"第一個，我們海外的貿易中心，不管是在波蘭或是日本都有設立。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-04-13T10:58:48.174000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:59:01.119000+08:00","text":"另外，你剛剛講到這個數據，因為AI的大幅成長，當然這個部分也是我們重要的外銷的來源，所以你會看到這個增比是很大的。","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-04-13T10:59:01.559000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:59:13.683000+08:00","text":"但是，我們在全球布局上面，不管是你剛剛講的東協，甚至是包括菲律賓，不管是在經濟部、貿易處，我們都有很多相關的一些……","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-13T10:59:13.923000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:59:20.505000+08:00","text":"沒有，我希望是看到實際上有分散的效果，不然，你們當初韌性條例的效果可能沒有達到。","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-13T10:59:21.405000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:59:21.945000+08:00","text":"最後一部分就在……","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-13T10:59:21.965000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:59:22.005000+08:00","text":"好，那個……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-13T10:59:22.025000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:59:22.106000+08:00","text":"好，我就這樣子。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-13T10:59:22.106000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:59:25.667000+08:00","text":"相關的部分，再請做書面報告，因為反映出來一個問題，就是如果要組成一個國家……還是說增加美國的部分的話，可能國家隊的意見必需要……國家隊希望政府能幫忙的部分，就請經濟部這邊再給我們一個報告，好不好？","quality":0.989},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-13T10:59:25.667000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T10:59:39.711000+08:00","text":"針對在國家隊……","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-13T10:59:39.711000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:59:40.995000+08:00","text":"後續就請經濟部用書面回復劉書彬委員，好不好？","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-13T10:59:41.015000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:59:41.115000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-13T10:59:41.615000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T10:59:50.757857+08:00","text":"謝謝，那我們就先休息5分鐘，5分鐘之後一定準時開始，否則今天會拖到很晚，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-13T10:59:51.057857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T10:59:52.200714+08:00","text":"休息（10時59分）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-13T10:59:52.500714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T10:59:54.215000+08:00","text":"繼續開會（11時8分）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席（羅委員明才代）","start":"2026-04-13T10:59:54.515000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T10:59:55.657857+08:00","text":"繼續開會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席（羅委員明才代）","start":"2026-04-13T10:59:55.957857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T10:59:58.529286+08:00","text":"請李彥秀李召委質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}