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但是這個半年之內我們想要再繼續看下去因為你們的版本當中是以過去是用在以運費啦然後還有匯率啊加油站等營運的這個費用等等是不是可以考要到不同來源地的這個運費啊還有地緣政治波動的保險費跟受店家跟員工薪資影響的成本都會不會算進去"},{"start":355.829,"end":375.44,"text":"這次這個油價檢討的話,我們有這個考慮,把一些以往沒有考慮進去的因素也一起納進來,一起做一個檢討那是不是到時候你們可以把這樣的一個因素放進來,讓本席也知道說你們到時候這半年,事實上半年還是太久了耶是,這部分我們會一起納入檢討"},{"start":376.66,"end":377.34,"text":"昨天看到的是中國提供十大會台措施的出爐"},{"start":393.465,"end":399.487,"text":"這邊包括大概第五項跟第七項、第八項當中有對於說要對台灣的農業產品包括以採取便利或是小微企業開拓大陸市場這些部分要提供一些便利方便但是這邊我們也看到中國曾經有說病蟲害或是註冊的問題對台灣的產品有做禁運的部分"},{"start":415.031,"end":426.756,"text":"經濟部的態度是怎麼樣那如何避免風險尤其是有些預警機制是不是要提出來甚至還有包括我們也看到說過去農業部分有這種好多項的這樣的國家核心關鍵技術他怎麼樣防止他外流"},{"start":428.482,"end":448.571,"text":"去年我們繳出12年來量力的成...積極成長率的成績單今年依照大家的預估也差不多7.6、7.7左右甚至比中國的4.6都還大幅的所以我們針對於五大信賴產業包括協助中小微企業的轉型傳統產業的轉型力主台灣"},{"start":452.173,"end":479.6,"text":"行銷全世界佈局全球這個就是我們的一個方向那至於你剛剛講農業產品的部分那因為那是屬於農業部的一個主管不過基本上我們看到幾個數據來看的話不論是三大的投資方案截到目前為止的話將近有差不多是2.6兆我們預估到明年可能也超過3.6兆元左右所以我們在既有的這個所謂的軌道上面"},{"start":480.18,"end":497.82,"text":"然後來協助我們國內企業的轉型還有包括他AI的運用甚至是對於我們所注意的維生的半導體還有包括AI的這個部分的發展這就是我們現在所做所以你們認為是對中國就不必特別去注意是嗎過去"},{"start":500.765,"end":520.926,"text":"有統計的數字啊但是台灣全世界各國的一個資金離開中國的一個狀況還是幾乎是一個天來勢的一個下降好 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但是我要看效果啊那效果的部分我剛剛已經有提到了不管是我們的經濟成長實質的成長率我們都比過去的還更好"},{"start":592.128,"end":608.739,"text":"那個是有特殊原因我現在大家看一下市長你看一下這邊我們看到的情況是113年的時候美國是排名在出口值的第二個大市場那去年呢2025年的時候美國變成第一大市場那這個部分呢把它越高而且我們順差也變得越高那這邊對於說要去如果用"},{"start":611.161,"end":628.56,"text":"美國用關稅的上面來去做我們的一些協商來去做一些處理的話呢這又變成一個可能是很大的一個部分就是你們這邊其他的部分對東協啦歐洲日本這些部分呢有沒有再去增加它的一種比例因為看起來還是美國最大的一個集中度啊這樣其實對我並不是好事啊"},{"start":629.292,"end":658.122,"text":"那第一個不管是我們的海外的這個貿易中心不管是在波蘭或是日本我們都有設立那另外的話你剛剛講到這個數據因為AI的大幅的成長那當然他的這個部分這也是我們重要的生產的這個外銷的一個來源所以你會看到這個爭比是很大的但是我們在全球佈局上面不管你是你剛剛講的東亞東協甚至是包括菲律賓這些我們經濟部不管是貿易處"},{"start":659.162,"end":673.687,"text":"我們都有很多的一些相關的一些沒有我希望是看到這實際上有分散的效果不然你們當初的這個效果任性的這個條例的效果我們可能沒有達到那最後一部分就在好那這邊我就這樣相關的部分我再請這個請做書面報告因為反映出來一個問題就是說如果要組成一個國家還是說增加美國的部分的話可能是國家隊的意見必須要國家隊是希望政府能幫忙的部分那就請經濟部這邊再給我們後面一個報告好不好"},{"start":687.591,"end":689.135,"text":"我們後續就請經濟部用書面回覆劉淑冰委員好不好 謝謝主席"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}