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所以衰本席也是希望啦透過這個國安局這邊包括今天的質詢啦我覺得這是一個好機會啦我們就是"},{"start":333.038,"end":339.16,"text":"球來就打 我們就直接接球也呼籲這個中國啊既然希望要交流 要溝通 要找對對象不要呢 就是只找特定的對象的時候然後又說我們不交流這個部分我認為其實我是覺得是一個好的直接來溝通的機會在對等的原則之下不要預設這個什麼非得要"},{"start":358.225,"end":382.54,"text":"台灣是中國的一部分在對等的情況底下我覺得這是一個交流的機會另外當然就是去年的10月15號的時候我也有質詢過就是有關於灰色侵擾那麼跟今天其實這個我們的主題是切合的那麼在去年質詢之後呢其實就沒有這個所謂的比較看得到的具體的就是說這個用橡皮艇啊或什麼來度"},{"start":384.682,"end":398.641,"text":"偷渡進來台灣那但是呢就像今天的報告所提出來的因為八月之後受到東北季風的影響當然就比較不利於像這種所謂小橡皮艇啊或什麼進入言下之意那就是三月到八月根據報告講的"},{"start":399.522,"end":407.063,"text":"就是一個再次有發生所謂小艇偷渡的狀況那也就是說從現在開始又會進入一個可能的高峰期或是可能的案例出現的狀況那麼對於從去年到現在因為我們的總預算被卡關的狀況底下那麼我們在國安單位跟海巡署當中有做了哪些加強的聯繫以防這個再有同樣的案例出現呢"},{"start":427.987,"end":455.122,"text":"我想今天大會這邊安排這樣的一個專題報告我覺得很及時因為接下來4月到8月本來就是這種小型艇侵擾的一個主要的告風季節那大概國安局這邊有兩個部分的工作推動跟委員做個報告第一個部分就是針對已經發生的這些侵擾的這些小船我們來釐清楚背後的一個可能的動機跟他的一個可能犯罪的一個手法所以國安局這邊我們是有發布一個非常明確的清詢的"},{"start":456.642,"end":480.715,"text":"詢問的一些題目讓我們一線的海巡單位的弟兄在抓到這些偷渡犯之後在進行清訊跟調查的時候那個是有一個問題的問卷那我們可以逐一透過這些問題來釐清可能犯罪的動機那第二部分我們這邊有成立專案那在查查的部分是由高檢署來指揮我們相關的國安情報機關包括海巡署、警政署、縣指部還有移民署"},{"start":481.095,"end":505.301,"text":"那過程當中我們也會分享相關的一個情資而且我們這邊也預定各種偷渡案件的通報它有通報的要項不是隨便通報 而是通報的要有哪些的重點要項那這樣子才可以達到我們橫向聯繫的一個目的那另外一個部分也跟委員說明報告的海巡署在今天的書面資料也提到他們後續有一些比較新的科技裝備或是監偵設備的建置"},{"start":506.641,"end":520.961,"text":"那這部分我上個月才到海巡署我們有做非常密切的一個討論怎麼樣運用比較新的科技或智能化的數據管理可以對於海上的動態能夠有更進一步的掌握那這部分我們來持續提升我們的量能"},{"start":521.596,"end":540.821,"text":"好但是這個又要馬好不能讓馬而不吃草我們都知道這個總預算當中其實是有部分是在這個所謂不能用原先的也是前一年度的來做執行的那這個部分不知道會不會有影響來剩下一點時間我是不是可以請海巡署主席我請海巡署"},{"start":544.008,"end":563.437,"text":"局長可以先請回好 那麼剛剛蔡局長有特別提到的那就是我們現在在一些設備跟技術跟科技上面希望做加強監測的部分那麼海巡署在這個部分這些器材是原有的嗎還是說其實必須是編列在新的項目裡面可以沿用舊的計畫的經費來做設備的更新嗎"},{"start":567.007,"end":595.698,"text":"根本幫助我們聯友的這個設備升級以外我們在特別預算裡面我們獲得預算然後未來我們會加強在新式的這個岸際雷達還有黃黃線熱影像以及環海諸位型監控部分來做處理那我想這個在116年之前會全部都建置完畢那就會變成一個完整的一個整個海域裡面的監控一個一個整個一個系統那我們會把這些相關的這些收整回來這些資訊會提供給國防部跟友軍來做參考"},{"start":596.766,"end":615.059,"text":"好不好意思我再問仔細一點您剛提到的是特別預算是放在哪裡的特別預算已經通過上次的那個國防政經特別預算裡面是好那麼在新的年度在115年度的預算當中有放進來嗎還是就是直接放在特別預算當中"},{"start":615.339,"end":642.298,"text":"在特別預算那115年預算有一部分是延續性的預算那也是在振作範圍裡面好那麼所以說既然有預算了那我希望接下來從3月開始從上個月開始到8月中間這個報告也特別提到了會有這樣的狀況出現的時候我希望這些設備預算跟人力上面都能夠增強我們在海防上面避免灰色侵擾是是好謝謝委員好謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-04-13T10:56:25.063000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:56:26.564000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，有請蔡明彥局長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-13T10:56:26.564000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:56:26.784000+08:00","text":"請蔡局長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-13T10:56:27.384000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:56:28.005000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，林委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-04-13T10:56:28.005000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T10:56:42.522000+08:00","text":"局長要不要先潤個喉，OK嗎？可以。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-04-13T10:56:42.522000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:56:57.114000+08:00","text":"好，有關於習鄭會結束之後，中國方面的官媒新華社所發布有關於十項的對臺十點，剛剛前面其實有委員已經提到了，不過我們來統整一下。","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-04-13T10:56:57.535000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:57:16.747000+08:00","text":"我昨天第一時間其實就跟媒體說了，這個號稱的大禮包其實是回鍋菜，十項當中有九項其實都是舊的，只是送給臺灣，他不開心就再要回去，這是最沒誠意的送法，沒有人送禮是說送回去之後，我開心送你，但我不開心就說不好意思，還來！","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-04-13T10:57:17.347000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:57:40.419000+08:00","text":"臺灣民眾都看得非常清楚，但是在上個禮拜的此時，我們都還在討論我們的國防特別條例，甚至我們舉行了一場國民黨立委全部缺席的朝野協商，以致於延後到這個禮拜，也就是禮拜四或禮拜五不一定，現在還不知道，但是就看國民黨要不要出席。","quality":0.99},{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-04-13T10:57:40.919000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:57:45.901000+08:00","text":"不過這個很擺明了，所謂十項交流策略其實就是過去我們一直在講的統戰手法。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-04-13T10:57:47.462000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:58:20.480000+08:00","text":"但如果我們細拆來看，不論是自由行或是金馬四通或是農漁產輸出或者是更多的兩岸航班，包括廈門航線，這個東西根據兩岸人民關係條例，其實都必須要官方對官方來協商，所以這也是為什麼在習鄭會結束之後，美國的國務院第一時間就罕見的說：希望中國也應該跟臺灣的民選政府交流，而不是只選特定的對象。","quality":0.985},{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-04-13T10:58:20.480000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T10:58:23.112000+08:00","text":"雖然這個是故技重施，是回鍋菜，吃過的、用過的、甚至於送過的再送臺灣一次，但是國安局怎麼看他們現在明顯用這個方式把一個設好的局要分化臺灣社會？","quality":0.203},{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-04-13T10:58:23.112000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T10:58:25.744000+08:00","text":"國安局這裡有對其他這些未來可能因應要面對的部會有給予什麼這樣的建議嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-13T10:58:25.744000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:58:50.349000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員提到這個問題，因為今天早上媒體朋友也在關心這個問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-13T10:58:50.349000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:59:06.500000+08:00","text":"我們認為每次到了選舉的時候，中共都會提出所謂的惠臺措施，像委員所提到的這些惠臺措施，包括兩岸觀光的交流或是農漁產品的採購，大概在歷次臺灣選舉之前都曾經被當成一個議題來進行相關的操作。","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-13T10:59:09.081000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:59:42.154000+08:00","text":"早上我們在討論的時候也特別提醒到，中共在進行操作的過程當中也會有一種所謂的區隔對待，這些所謂的惠臺措施，會特別施惠給特定的縣市、團體、產業或是個人，所以我們也呼籲，假如中共要推動相關的兩岸交流或經貿往來的話，可能還是要循管道跟政府做相關的接觸，必須由政府做相關的評估、規劃跟推動，才能避免中共類似做這種區隔對待所產生的風險跟後遺症。","quality":0.961},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-13T10:59:42.714000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:59:54.037000+08:00","text":"所以這部分我們有做一些相關分析，早上也跟王定宇委員說明，國安會也有一個跨部會的機制，我們這邊所看到的狀況都有跟其他部會分享。","quality":0.983},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-13T10:59:54.518000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:00:05.181000+08:00","text":"可能委員也有注意到，昨天在第一時間，各個部會在下午一、兩點大概陸陸續續都有一個完整的政策說明，讓民眾更了解中共對臺這種介選跟統戰的手法。","quality":0.937},{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-04-13T11:00:05.667000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:00:20.075000+08:00","text":"好，包括經濟部在第一時間就有講到有關於臺灣跟中國方面，其實他們的經濟往下走，而且經濟、GDP等等跟臺灣有很大的差異，這種惠臺很可能都是口惠實不至。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-04-13T11:00:21.516000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:00:37.809000+08:00","text":"過去一直以來其實不是我們不交流，而是中共以選擇性的方式，採所謂的已讀不回，這個部分，我相信民眾有些人知道、有些人不知道，而現在他已經丟出了直球。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-04-13T11:00:38.029000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:00:55.181000+08:00","text":"我要問的是，針對農產品的部分，農業部的態度，或者有關於開放觀光的部分，交通部的態度，甚至於有關自由行的部分，相關的部會是不是乾脆就直球對決，問他們我們現在要談了，你們什麼時候要來談？","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-04-13T11:00:55.181000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:00:56.962000+08:00","text":"因為過去其實不是我們不談，是他們對我們已讀不回，我們現在要不要就直接直球對決，直接就說好啊、來談啊？","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-13T11:01:09.025000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:01:12.547000+08:00","text":"各部會的立場，我想我不適合逾矩的去幫他們說明。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥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您剛剛提到的是特別預算？是。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-04-13T11:06:25.749000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:06:26.750000+08:00","text":"放在哪裡的特別預算？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-13T11:06:26.910000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:06:30.453000+08:00","text":"已經通過了，上次的那個國防韌性特別預算裡面。","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-04-13T11:06:30.913000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:06:37.378000+08:00","text":"好，在新的年度、在115年度的預算當中有放進來嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-04-13T11:06:37.378000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:06:39.039000+08:00","text":"還是就直接放在特別預算當中？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-13T11:06:39.339000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:06:44.743000+08:00","text":"在特別預算，115年預算裡面有一部分是延續性的預算，也是在偵蒐範圍裡面。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-04-13T11:06:45.123000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:07:04.696000+08:00","text":"好，既然有預算了，我希望接下來，從3月、上個月開始到8月中間，這個報告也特別提到了，會有這樣的狀況出現，我希望這些設備、預算跟人力都能夠增強，讓我們的海防避免灰色侵擾。","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-13T11:07:04.696000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:07:06.278000+08:00","text":"是，謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-04-13T11:07:06.278000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:07:06.298000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-13T11:07:06.798000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T11:07:11.940857+08:00","text":"稍後於王義川委員質詢完畢以後休息5分鐘。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-13T11:07:12.240857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T11:07:15.383714+08:00","text":"現在請黃仁委員上臺質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}