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動工那這一次這個政協會又被拿出來炒作我想這個工程會是我們主管國家重要建設的一個重要的一個單位主委認為這個金下大橋可行性"},{"start":82.296,"end":94.16,"text":"是不是會造成國家安全的一個危害請主委說明報告委員那這個是一個高度政治性的議題那當然鋪橋造路"},{"start":99.048,"end":124.248,"text":"也是好事但是前提是要一個兩邊都是一個友善平等的互信互惠的國家跟國家之間的關係那如果對岸他是基於民眾的福祉那麼也確保這個兩岸這個對等主權的這樣的態度之下來做這件事情那當然是好事如果變成一個提供這個"},{"start":126.169,"end":154.986,"text":"目前這個軍機圍繞啦什麼這個武統這些都政策跟實際作為都還沒有改變的狀況之下那我想這個對國家安全必須慎重考量好因為我想除了這個之外啦他們也針對農業漁業開放我想也釋出了他們的認為的善意但是我昨天在跑行程的時候我們很多的農民朋友跟市民朋友也跟我講說那些都騙人的啦"},{"start":156.067,"end":179.643,"text":"因為過去也有曾經開放過這樣的一個例子結果到最後空頭支票一張 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壓力沒那麼大主委 那有沒有可能在我們南部高民地區也來開這樣的一個分班 解決我們人的缺口因為土木"},{"start":446.621,"end":461.484,"text":"工程院很缺乏啦 而且高考 國考報到率很低那尤其是東部尤其是台東花蓮所以報到率也相對低 現在南部也很燦爛R5花東地區的大學都沒有土木系"},{"start":462.265,"end":487.644,"text":"所的設置啊所以我們才想到說會解決尤其是台東跟花蓮所以剛好在花蓮謝謝那個國營台灣鐵路公司借了一個場地在花蓮車站火車站這裡那跟宜蘭大學合作由宜蘭大學跟工程會來合辦這個學分班除了土木專利之外還有加上我們工程會也有一些採購啦或者是相關的"},{"start":489.005,"end":495.135,"text":"學相關的這個課程也在那裡那麼獲得很大的迴響那麼136個左右來報名那當然相關其他偏遠地區工程會也會持續來考量"},{"start":504.56,"end":531.981,"text":"主委那個南部部分再拜託這個優先來處理因為我們現在南部尤其我們郡縣委員我們台南以南現在很多重大工程你現在沒有專業人才工程是要做下去的金額不知道要多少對但是這個我們都有透過預算因為現在今年也沒有預算所以以後如果能夠編列的話我們當然樂意到偏遠地區來設置這樣的所以主委不好意思講總預算還是要趕快過才有錢可以用"},{"start":533.097,"end":550.247,"text":"好 那謝謝主席 我再最後一分鐘針對我想這個濾青的一個問題 我還是要拜託主委來幫忙那尤其目前我們有很多的這個道路的鋪設跟修補在進行但受到美伊戰爭的影響 濾青的價格嚴重飆漲從這個今年3月份 每公噸從16,200漲到25,000塊漲幅高達六成"},{"start":559.272,"end":576.413,"text":"那每公噸的濾清混凝土從2100套到2300那像台南高雄屏東都面臨這樣一個缺濾清的一個問題甚至有傳出濾清的存量不足主委這個有沒有人為的一個因素或者是你們有調查什麼原因嗎"},{"start":577.267,"end":593.839,"text":"因為做柏油的原油來源大概來自中東啦因為它是一種含環碗氫比較多的這個原油啦那因為中東戰爭嘛所以進來量就比較少所以能夠做柏油的就是台灣中油跟"},{"start":595.04,"end":616.528,"text":"台塑集團的台塑化那麼他們這個原油來得少那自然生產柏油就少那柏油少做瀝青就少那麼自然而然當然這個就缺料然後漲價就工程會而言我們認為如果是這種情形之下呢相關的公用工程可以有涉及物調的我們都認為應該這個"},{"start":620.389,"end":638.44,"text":"廠商跟再建工程的機關可以合一來物調那工期也可以展演不過我了解目前這個柏油的供應已經不是問題了因為台塑化它有兩條就是這個煉油的製程一個是煉製輕油一個是煉製這個"},{"start":641.562,"end":669.633,"text":"相關柏友這個製程他已經調高這個煉製的比例了調高煉製比例另外呢銷售銷售這個柏友的這個中塑公司中塑公司是台塑化的子公司那因為他本來在國外就有一些契約廠商固定每一個月一個月大概一萬公噸那我們這個卓院長也希望國內的這個廠商以供應國內的需求"},{"start":671.211,"end":699.147,"text":"優先啦謝謝台塑化跟中塑也非常配合那麼都採取這樣的一個動作那中油呢台灣中油陸續在市場上來採購這個現貨啦那採購現貨如果有了這個柏油啦那採購現貨之後呢也可以供應國內需求根據我目前三個禮拜所掌握的資料那麼力清的供應的原料柏油啊供應已經沒有問題"},{"start":700.35,"end":710.339,"text":"好這個這個案子也要麻煩我們主委來幫忙然後應該要進行跨部會的一個協調那確保我們國內的力清純亮不要讓我們所有的這個公共工程受到影響好謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-13T10:06:15.428000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:06:17.549000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，有請陳金德主委。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-13T10:06:18.690000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:06:18.830000+08:00","text":"請陳主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-04-13T10:06:24.454000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:06:25.314000+08:00","text":"委員早。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-13T10:06:25.314000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:06:25.414000+08:00","text":"主委早。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-13T10:06:28.236000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:07:00.562000+08:00","text":"這幾天新聞媒體報導很重要的一個新聞，就是國民黨的鄭麗文主席跟中共的國家主席習近平會面，會面完之後，大陸馬上釋出善意說要給臺灣十項禮物，包含推動福建沿海地區和金門、馬祖通水、通電、通氣、通橋，增進金馬地區的社會福利還有一些相關建設福利的福祉。","quality":0.945},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-13T10:07:00.562000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:07:01.122000+08:00","text":"主委知道這個新聞嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-04-13T10:07:02.527000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:07:03.887000+08:00","text":"我大概有稍微看一下。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-13T10:07:05.048000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:07:33.837000+08:00","text":"主委，有一個很重要的議題就是金廈大橋，這個是中國大陸一直在倡議的一個建設，尤其廈門這一頭2023年在中國已經片面的動工，這一次在鄭習會又被拿出來炒作，我想工程會是主管國家重要建設的一個重要的單位，主委認為這個金廈大橋的可行性是不是會造成國家安全的危害？","quality":0.948},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-13T10:07:34.717000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:07:35.117000+08:00","text":"請主委說明。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-04-13T10:07:36.497000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:07:54.933000+08:00","text":"報告委員，這是一個高度政治性的議題，當然，鋪橋造路也是好事，但前提是要兩邊都是友善、平等的……","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-13T10:07:55.093000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:07:55.713000+08:00","text":"要互信互惠。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-04-13T10:07:56.534000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:08:11.906000+08:00","text":"國家跟國家之間的關係，如果對岸是基於民眾的福祉，也確保兩岸對等、主權這樣的態度之下來做這件事情，那當然是好事。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-04-13T10:08:12.506000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:08:28.436000+08:00","text":"如果在目前軍機圍繞、武統這些政策跟實際作為都還沒有改變的狀況之下，我想這個對國家安全必須慎重考量。","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-13T10:08:29.397000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:08:44.906000+08:00","text":"好，因為除了這個之外，他們針對農業、漁業開放也釋出了他們認為的善意，但是我昨天在跑行程的時候，很多農民朋友跟漁民朋友也跟我講，那都是騙人的。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-13T10:08:46.067000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:08:56.274000+08:00","text":"因為過去也曾經有開放過的例子，結果到最後是空頭支票一張、芭樂票一張，所以我覺得我們應該要審慎評估這樣的一個方案。","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-13T10:08:57.555000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:09:08.622000+08:00","text":"誠如剛剛主委講的，這是一個高度政治風險的工程，未來可不可行，工程會是不是能夠做這樣一個專業的建議？","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-13T10:09:08.622000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:09:09.623000+08:00","text":"有沒有這個思考？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-04-13T10:09:11.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:09:19.345000+08:00","text":"工程會是主管我們國內的公共工程，外國的公共工程大概管不到。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-13T10:09:19.705000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:09:20.086000+08:00","text":"管不到啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-13T10:09:21.407000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:09:23.048000+08:00","text":"主委，雖然管不到，但是你認為……","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-04-13T10:09:23.048000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:10:01.643000+08:00","text":"不過我可以舉一個例子，就是金門的水也有一部分從福建、廈門來，但我實際去看了之後，那個水還是原水，就是還沒有經過處理的，所以金門的水基本上大部分還是透過海水淡化或者是相關的水利設施，尤其是中國目前的政府制度之下，一切都是為政治，不管是農業或是交流，一切都是以政治為目的。","quality":0.911},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-13T10:10:02.603000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T10:10:06.706000+08:00","text":"主委比較客氣，我認為是以統戰為目的，這個不一樣。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"徐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