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有機會來這樣做這個就是去土跟虛土機關的交換"},{"start":515.205,"end":536.42,"text":"這個交換本的制度就存在那各縣市政府呢他也可以成立土方銀行來收或者是去化這個是也是地方政府就台中市來講我有知道我們有供應的利益就是那個供應的土資廠對土資廠但是就沒辦法根本解決問題嘛我現在提出的就是說由"},{"start":537.421,"end":546.422,"text":"由政府 地方政府 那跟我們中央這邊啊大家一起來推動 讓他變一個 一個很好的制度化"},{"start":547.475,"end":570.256,"text":"我們會期待是這樣嘛,台南都OK啊,我們潮州澳門、台南都做到這麼好,是不是有機會?好,另外一個重點就是潮州澳門,我們有聽到魯明哲議員有提到濾清的問題嘛,濾清的問題也牽涉到我們地方的公共工程,不是跟你同樣的"},{"start":571.637,"end":586.715,"text":"大型的公共工程,地方的小型工程啊,給人家齁,我過去齁,我以後來日本人啊,能夠爲成更野岸,肯定更野岸,在台中市中更野岸,真的沒想到多少問題都說,哎,委員,真的你錢有問題啊,土方,不只沒氣出,"},{"start":592.421,"end":593.222,"text":"所有地方基層基礎的建設全部停頓"},{"start":622.381,"end":628.066,"text":"現在我們工程會這邊可以跟各縣市政府來協助跟輔導啦從我們對衡的建設 需要的什麼 跟我們租住投放的問題都可以跟我們順利來開闊好 謝謝主委"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}