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中央還分它的比例還更多那這是怎麼樣 這是因為看黨派嗎我一直不想這樣子講欸對不對 建設是國家的建設啦誰都有可能來桃園做到鐵路地下化的成果嘛那為什麼我們這個萬大樹林線的二期跟高雄小港陵園線就可以合訂呢"},{"start":522.268,"end":544.202,"text":"這個整個鐵道建設軌道建設全國非常多啦這裡一千例那裡兩千例那裡九百億整個中央整個行政院必須統籌來評估啦那至於台灣鐵路地下化沒有什麼黨派他從過去就提出來嘛鄭文燦當八年台灣市長努力爭取調高了很多這個相關的預算這個都是歷史"},{"start":544.702,"end":548.531,"text":"所以行政院不會特別考量現在誰當市長或者是當市長所以我只是說錢的問題那行政院在審議當中"},{"start":554.264,"end":580.834,"text":"那跟過去誰提出來財化法要修沒有相關是嘛那財化法是你剛剛提的嘛現在你又說沒有相關我要講啦這個是鄭文燦市長當時啊也上來跟國發會很認真的去爭取希望中央的比例能夠負擔更多一點嘛所以我們也很謝謝鄭文燦市長啊所以沒有再分藍綠嘛但現在的問題就在於既然其他我們有重大的公共工程尤其是交通工程我們在變更計畫跟經費的增加上面我們都有核定"},{"start":581.594,"end":602.624,"text":"主委我們這個鐵路地下化這個最佳預算已經提出來八個月了八個月了那到底是什麼情況你也幫我們關心一下嘛站在你的立場你幫我們關心一下可不可以這個我們會了解啦只是我跟你報告就是說全國的軌道件非常多那有的修正計畫一再修正也有審議相當久的桃園並不是特例啦"},{"start":602.824,"end":614.771,"text":"哪一個比桃園8個月更久 你告訴我哪一個你在這邊都提出來說有更久的 表示你知道啊那如果你不知道就是在這邊亂說一通是不是 這哪一個嘛哪一項計畫比我們更久 你告訴我哪一項計畫呢"},{"start":618.304,"end":642.982,"text":"怎麼可以這樣 你根本都不知道 你就在這邊搪塞全國重大預算 修正的不是 主委 應該這樣講嘛你自己跟我說 其實喔這個五個月的預算 八個月不算久 有很多比我們更久那你胸有成竹的講出來 現在在備詢 你就應該要告訴我是哪一個更久 如果這是一個常態 那我們吞下來它如果不是一個常態 為什麼桃園要等待特別久呢你知道這種交通黑暗期 對我們桃園那真的是 我們所有的市民苦不堪言啊"},{"start":644.875,"end":657.344,"text":"所以哪一個呢 哪一個計畫比我們更久 你告訴我我會去了解再跟委員報告什麼時候什麼時候可以跟我回覆我們全國來這個整個調整 來整個來審全國現在才下去了解 然後你跟我講有"},{"start":658.496,"end":680.684,"text":"我們會提供給你啦到底有還是沒有嘛我們去查所以你不知道你剛剛還告訴我說其實有比我們更久的主委不可以這樣啦真的不可以這樣我建議把答詢的態度改變一下有就是有 沒有就是沒有要再查就是要再查你不可以告訴我說你桃園八個月不算久核定還沒下來也不算什麼你不可以這樣子啦金費不算少啦所以不像說一般工程能夠立即的核定"},{"start":686.826,"end":690.748,"text":"所以行政院 我一直在注意桃園鐵路地下化的工作我們一再同意修正計劃"},{"start":704.175,"end":722.261,"text":"那如果您這也同意而且一再的修正 一再的增加沒有 修正已經最後計畫送出去了已經送出去了那時就是在行政院這麼久了沒有再修正過了所以呢 您剛剛也說您同意來協助那就拜託您是不是可以跟院長講一下到底問題在哪裡要不然趕快核定給我們 好嗎好好 謝謝"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}