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編在哪裡"},{"start":249.363,"end":267.882,"text":"不是我現在跟委員報告就是說他這一個國道基金他是專款讓他專用但是公務預算的部分他只要是國道警察方面設備啦或者其他相關方面這個部分我們都有編列預算來做支應那委員您如果關心這個部分將來我們要加強來"},{"start":270.965,"end":288.44,"text":"因為等於是說罰款它是進公庫然後公庫裡面我們在遇上編列的一個情形以用這樣的一個情形來編列那如果說警察人員在國道方面這一個部分要加強的部分那他們提出需求我們再來做加強可以加強嗎其實我想這個過去也開過好幾次會"},{"start":293.484,"end":311.561,"text":"交通部的意見他說國道基金為專款專用性質無法支應本局經費國道執法為內政部的職權與國道基金業務支出性質不同所以他不同意說給國道檢察局一些相關的補助"},{"start":314.664,"end":339.856,"text":"交通部高速公路局他也說國道基金僅能用於國道興建維護安全管理及設施改善無法配合用於國道執法他的意見是這樣不能給你補助給你相關執法的一些比如我要買科技執法相關的一些設備他說我這國道基金不能給你國道公路總局這樣講"},{"start":344.239,"end":371.997,"text":"主席總書您的意見是講說國道執法與國道基金設置的目的未符所以兩個設置目的未符不予以國道基金致應所以我們現在就是要想辦法這些人也那麼辛苦這些錢都是他們去執勤他們冒著生命的危險去在高速公路執勤這比一般我們在公路上執勤更危險"},{"start":373.598,"end":392.071,"text":"所以這個錢到底如何來讓他們可以獲得更多安全的設備以及讓他們有更多的錢去教育訓練讓他們執行更安全我想我在意的是這個所以你要給他相關的一些錢去採買去做這些事"},{"start":395.834,"end":418.33,"text":"所以主席總統我希望你就是能夠來支持他們所以我們現在了解我現在了解我講一個法條給主席總統來參考就是說是不是可以研擬我們依照交通作業基金收支保管局任任辦法第十一條第二款第七目其他有關支出的規定"},{"start":419.631,"end":442.063,"text":"他有一個第七目有一個其他有關支出的規定來補助國道警察局執行的相關業務的一個費用由他們來申請然後你們依照這個規定由國道基金來這個去補助給他可不可以這樣啦就不要修法就透過這樣的一個目的呢我想交通部應該會支持啊"},{"start":443.134,"end":469.081,"text":"不是 這不是我能夠做決定 這交通部要去做決定就是說他是不是要修正萎縮他除了國道基金 除了建設基金之外是不是其他可以有一些的錢來做那個警察這些的一個裝備的一個貸款這些的支出那我們也樂見其成所以這個部分我們是不是請交通部來做檢討"},{"start":470.642,"end":498.244,"text":"檢討結果如果可以那這個部分將來要提撥百分比多少這是他們去提撥如果不行我們將來就還是從公務預算來做依註依註這樣這些那個國道的一個相關的設備我想這個總是要研擬一個方案啦我們不能就一直看了那麼多次會但是最後沒有一個結論出來好不好我希望主席總書妳要支持真的很辛苦啦我們支持這個"},{"start":498.624,"end":511.995,"text":"我覺得他們太辛苦了結果辛苦執法這些法源他們分不到半毛錢這很不公平謝謝您請回接下來請那個中流的方董事長"},{"start":520.233,"end":545.765,"text":"市長上週四月十號你說如果荷姆斯海峽開放中游有一艘游龍裝滿了兩百萬桶的原油兩週航程就可以抵達我們中華民國可供國內半個月的需求量但我們根據上週五的國外媒體報導伊朗又再度封鎖荷姆斯海峽"},{"start":547.206,"end":571.16,"text":"這樣看起來這200萬桶的原油好像似乎沒有辦法順利的運達我們台灣不知道什麼時候會到當然你也提到中流也有向沙烏地阿拉伯購買原油預計四月中旬裝船完畢航程大約兩週可以抵達台灣也就是說最快要到五月份也可以到達台灣"},{"start":572.461,"end":582.022,"text":"所以我想請問你這樣對我們國內油品的供應啊將會有什麼樣的影響是否能夠確保我們國內的油品供應無虞啊"},{"start":583.48,"end":611.792,"text":"因為這兩百萬看起來就不會來了我們在戰前的時候有一艘原油輪它裝滿了油但是停在波斯灣裡面沒辦法從赫姆斯海峽出來當然對於美國跟伊朗停火之後我們也期望這個船能夠經過赫姆斯海峽出來從最新的消息看起來還是要等"},{"start":613.032,"end":628.766,"text":"那替代的方案的話呢就是從沙烏地阿拉伯呢它有鋪一條管線拉到這個揚埔就是在鴻海這一側那鴻海這一側能夠裝有這一艘船呢已經在10月12號不是說兩個禮拜能夠到台灣確定嗎"},{"start":630.487,"end":653.635,"text":"4月12號已經裝船目前在航行回台灣的途中預估在5月份可以到所以後續的原油船從沙烏地阿拉伯大概如果沒有改變的話都會尋這樣一個模式把原油運到台灣我們目前石油的存量到底還能供應多久"},{"start":654.771,"end":669.029,"text":"現在7月我們國家來講這存量是90天發佈的事實上都存的都是超過100天但是目前中東戰事這樣發生我們看油價又會一直上漲"},{"start":670.31,"end":685.684,"text":"你還是跟沒有戰事一樣就是純油量你說純油量大概90天嘛但是現在看起來戰事一直在好像沒有停的就打一打然後講一講後來還是沒有停戰嘛"},{"start":686.901,"end":702.61,"text":"這種情況你以目前來講你可以很誠實的告訴我們目前大概存量還多少我想在量的部分做個說明雖然是中東這個戰事對於中油公司來講我們會尋求其他的油源"},{"start":703.769,"end":730.191,"text":"譬如說西非譬如說澳洲譬如說地中海這個區域另外當然很重要就是從美國美國這個原油它還是會佔蠻大的比例市長我想這個中油很辛苦我們都了解我想也因為動漲一直在虧損相關的預算相關到底我們石油未來要不要漲我想中油還在撐到底還能撐多久大家也很關心"},{"start":731.132,"end":748.335,"text":"我想中國還是要提早做好因應國際情勢做好各種財務分析到底我們油價未來要怎麼走很誠實的跟老百姓講清楚我想這個才比較是一個正確的做法好 謝謝我們結束"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-13T11:49:08.619000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:49:09.020000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，先請主計長。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-04-13T11:49:09.020000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:49:09.140000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-13T11:49:09.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:49:09.560000+08:00","text":"主計長早。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-13T11:49:09.580000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:49:12.343000+08:00","text":"主計長，我今天還是要跟你討論國道基金的議題，你上次來辦公室也跟你請教過。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-13T11:49:30.246000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:50:03.316000+08:00","text":"主計長，國道基金的主要用途就是在於高速公路的養護及國道的建設，因應建設國道7號、國1楊頭段拓寬及國1甲等現在陸續都要啟動，迎來了3,499億這樣龐大的支出，立法院預算中心對115年的預算評估指出，營運資金短缺在擴大，所以首先我要問主計長，國道基金的主要來源是什麼？","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-13T11:50:03.316000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:50:03.656000+08:00","text":"國道基金來自於哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-04-13T11:50:08.910000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:50:10.892000+08:00","text":"它有一些罰鍰的收入。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-13T11:50:11.352000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:50:18.578000+08:00","text":"罰鍰及政府依預算程序也有撥補嘛！對。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-13T11:50:19.139000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:50:31.849000+08:00","text":"以及對國道車輛徵收的通行費收入、汽車燃料使用費也有分配於國道公路建設之用。是。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-13T11:50:32.970000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:50:46.356000+08:00","text":"也還有服務性設施收入、區段徵收、孳息收入、受贈收入及其他有關收入，我們的法定收入大概有這幾個。","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-13T11:50:46.356000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:50:50.918000+08:00","text":"但是剛才主計長提到一個很重要的，你說有罰鍰的收入嘛！對。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-13T11:50:52.359000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:51:10.974000+08:00","text":"所以我們現在就很不解，依照道路交通違規罰鍰收入分配及運用辦法，國道警察局似乎沒有獲得罰鍰收入，以協助該局支應執法的相關費用，有沒有？","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-04-13T11:51:10.994000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:51:11.454000+08:00","text":"但是國庫有撥補啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-13T11:51:18.267000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:51:18.267000+08:00","text":"國庫撥補……","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-04-13T11:51:18.267000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T11:51:19.267000+08:00","text":"現在就是有分兩個管道……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-13T11:51:19.128000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:51:23.132000+08:00","text":"是有撥補內政部警政署一些設備相關的費用，現在是……","quality":0.455},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-04-13T11:51:23.132000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T11:51:24.132000+08:00","text":"不是，第一個……你說。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-04-13T11:51:23.412000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:51:36.398000+08:00","text":"如果是從罰鍰收入直接去處理，那麼國庫就不用撥補，但是國道基金是由國庫去撥補，所以他會有國庫撥補的收入。","quality":0.809},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-13T11:51:36.398000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:51:40.681000+08:00","text":"國庫有撥補給國道基金嘛！是。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-13T11:51:41.161000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:51:42.002000+08:00","text":"你有沒有聽懂我的意思？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-13T11:51:42.822000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:52:09.997000+08:00","text":"現在我的意思是，國道基金裡面有沒有讓這些辛苦第一線執勤的國道警察局同仁或者國道警察局可以獲得一些罰鍰的補助，去作為購買他們執勤所需的設備、科技設備或是安全保障的相關訓練費用，有沒有給他們？","quality":0.854},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-04-13T11:52:09.997000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T11:52:10.997000+08:00","text":"我要跟……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-13T11:52:09.997000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:52:12.298000+08:00","text":"他們辛苦執勤，結果錢都沒有分到。","quality":0.643},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-04-13T11:52:12.538000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:52:25.283000+08:00","text":"委員，這個部分是透過公務預算部分來編列，並不是從基金預算來編列，如果要從基金預算來編列，以後在公務預算的部分就不編列，就是這樣。","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-13T11:52:27.664000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:52:58.854000+08:00","text":"主計長，其實這個問題我很了解，警政署撥補給國道警察局的相關公務預算並沒有包含我剛才講的，他們執勤取締違規者的這些相關罰鍰，過去是有一定比例會給他們去採買必須要的裝備及訓練費用，來加強他們的安全保障。","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-04-13T11:52:58.854000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T11:53:01.317000+08:00","text":"但是我們都有耶！","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-13T11:53:01.317000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:53:07.885000+08:00","text":"最近我們看到很多公路警察在國道執勤時發生事故，有編列的話，你們編在哪裡？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-04-13T11:53:09.363000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:53:27.882000+08:00","text":"不是，我現在跟委員報告的是，國道基金是專款專用，但是公務預算的部分，只要是國道警察方面的設備或者其他相關，這個部分我們都有編列預算來做支應，委員如果關心這個部分，將來我們要加強……","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-13T11:53:27.882000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T11:53:30.965000+08:00","text":"是罰鍰的部分。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-04-13T11:53:30.965000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:53:47.639000+08:00","text":"因為等於罰鍰是進公庫，然後公庫裡面我們再依照編列的情形來編列，如果警察人員在國道方面要加強的話，那麼他們提出需求，我們再來做加強。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-13T11:53:47.639000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:53:47.959000+08:00","text":"可以加強嘛！是。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-13T11:53:47.959000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:53:48.440000+08:00","text":"其實我想這個過去也開過好幾次會。是。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-13T11:53:53.484000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:54:11.541000+08:00","text":"交通部的意見是，國道基金為專款專用性質，無法支應本局經費，國道執法為內政部的職權，與國道基金業務支出性質不同，所以他不同意給國道警察局一些相關的補助。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-13T11:54:14.664000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:54:39.856000+08:00","text":"交通部高速公路局也表示，國道基金僅能用於國道興建、維護、安全管理及設施改善，無法配合用於國道執法，他的意見是這樣，表示不能給他相關執法的補助，比如他要買科技執法的相關設備，他們表示國道基金不能給他，國道公路總局是這樣講。","quality":0.86},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-13T11:54:44.239000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:54:56.367000+08:00","text":"而主計總處的意見是，國道執法與國道基金設置的目的未符，表示兩個設置目的未符，不宜以國道基金支應。","quality":0.841},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-13T11:54:56.587000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:55:11.997000+08:00","text":"我們現在就是要想辦法，這些人員那麼辛苦，這些錢都是他們冒著生命危險在高速公路執勤而來的，這比在一般公路上執勤更危險啊！","quality":0.891},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-04-13T11:55:11.997000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T11:55:16.360000+08:00","text":"所以委員，我要跟您建議一下，就是……","quality":0.143},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-13T11:55:16.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:55:26.848000+08:00","text":"這個錢到底如何讓他們可以獲得更多安全的設備，以及讓他們有更多的錢去教育訓練，使他們執勤更安全？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-13T11:55:27.848000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:55:29.670000+08:00","text":"我在意的是這個啦！","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-13T11:55:29.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:55:32.051000+08:00","text":"你們要給他相關的錢去採買、去做這些事啊！","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-13T11:55:36.094000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:55:41.738000+08:00","text":"主計總處，我希望你能夠支持他們。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-13T11:55:42.779000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:55:58.310000+08:00","text":"我現在了解，我講一個法條給主計總處參考，是不是可以研擬依照交通作業基金收支保管及運用辦法第十一條第二款第七目「其他有關支出」的規定？","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-13T11:56:00.512000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:56:16.560000+08:00","text":"第七目有「其他有關支出」的規定，來補助國道警察局執勤相關業務的費用，由他們來申請，然後你們依照這個規定，由國道基金來補助給他，可不可以這樣？","quality":0.984},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-13T11:56:16.880000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:56:22.043000+08:00","text":"不要修法，就透過這樣的一個目的，我想交通部應該會支持啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-04-13T11:56:23.134000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:56:42.899000+08:00","text":"不是，這不是我能夠作決定的，這是交通部要去作決定，就是它是不是要修正為，國道基金除了建設基金之外，是不是其他可以有一些錢來做警察裝備汰換等這些的支出……","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-13T11:56:42.899000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T11:56:43.899000+08:00","text":"是，主計長……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-04-13T11:56:43.619000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:56:45.460000+08:00","text":"我們也樂見其成啦！對啦！","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-13T11:56:45.460000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T11:56:46.460000+08:00","text":"主計長……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-04-13T11:56:45.940000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:56:49.081000+08:00","text":"所以這個部分我們是不是請交通部來做檢討？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-04-13T11:56:50.642000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:57:05.173000+08:00","text":"檢討結果如果是可以，這個部分將來要提撥百分比多少就由他們去提撥；如果不行，我們將來還是從公務預算來挹注，讓這些國道的相關設備……","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-13T11:57:05.173000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:57:07.915000+08:00","text":"主計長，我想這個總是要研擬一個方案啦！是。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-13T11:57:08.596000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:57:14.060000+08:00","text":"不能一直開了那麼多次會，但是最後沒有一個結論出來，好不好？好。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-13T11:57:14.781000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:57:17.043000+08:00","text":"我希望主計總處要支持，真的很辛苦啊！","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-04-13T11:57:17.723000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:57:18.244000+08:00","text":"我們支持這個，但是問題是……","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-13T11:57:18.624000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:57:19.825000+08:00","text":"我覺得他們太辛苦了啦！","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-04-13T11:57:19.825000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T11:57:21.1060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13T12:01:28.815000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T12:01:34.529286+08:00","text":"接下來王世堅委員、王世堅委員、王世堅委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-13T12:01:34.829286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T12:01:39.115000+08:00","text":"接下來請羅智強委員，時間4分鐘，謝謝。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}