{"error":false,"id":["168483"],"data":{"IVOD_ID":168483,"IVOD_URL":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168483","日期":"2026-04-13","會議資料":{"會議代碼":"委員會-11-5-20-7","會議代碼:str":"第11屆第5會期財政委員會第7次全體委員會議","屆":11,"會期":5,"會次":7,"臨時會會次":null,"種類":"委員會","委員會代碼":[20],"委員會代碼:str":["財政委員會"],"標題":"第11屆第5會期財政委員會第7次全體委員會議"},"影片種類":"Clip","開始時間":"2026-04-13T12:06:14+08:00","結束時間":"2026-04-13T12:12:55+08:00","影片長度":"00:06:41","支援功能":["ai-transcript","gazette"],"video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5655ee4938da65e1a57eb28a51804536e63d9eaeca1783e3c80866d4b6cb3fd69b0160faa0cdae515ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"洪孟楷","委員發言時間":"12:06:14 - 12:12:55","會議時間":"2026-04-13T09:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、中央銀行、國家發展委員會、經濟部率台灣電力股份有限公司董事長及台灣中油股份有限公司董事長、衛生福利部、法務部就「中東衝突對能源、物價、民生與醫療物資供應及市場秩序之中長期影響與因應檢討，暨因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民生國安韌性特別預算執行情形」進行專題報告，並備質詢。）","transcript":{"pyannote":[{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪委員孟楷","start":1.71846875,"end":5.835968750000001,"speaker_score":0.95},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"陳主計長淑姿","start":6.0553437500000005,"end":9.278468750000002,"speaker_score":0.895},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪委員孟楷","start":12.130343750000002,"end":40.041593750000004,"speaker_score":0.95},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"陳主計長淑姿","start":13.78409375,"end":13.902218750000003,"speaker_score":0.895},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"陳主計長淑姿","start":40.42971875,"end":99.13784375,"speaker_score":0.895},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪委員孟楷","start":70.02846875,"end":70.56846875000001,"speaker_score":0.95},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪委員孟楷","start":79.12409375,"end":82.16159375000001,"speaker_score":0.95},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪委員孟楷","start":90.37971875000001,"end":90.44721875,"speaker_score":0.95},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪委員孟楷","start":90.75096875,"end":90.76784375000001,"speaker_score":0.95},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪委員孟楷","start":99.13784375,"end":121.34534375000001,"speaker_score":0.95},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"陳主計長淑姿","start":121.71659375,"end":123.10034375000001,"speaker_score":0.895},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪委員孟楷","start":122.50971875,"end":124.29846875000001,"speaker_score":0.95},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"陳主計長淑姿","start":124.46721875,"end":150.58971875,"speaker_score":0.895},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪委員孟楷","start":126.71159375,"end":127.77471875,"speaker_score":0.95},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪委員孟楷","start":129.22596875000002,"end":129.69846875000002,"speaker_score":0.95},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪委員孟楷","start":132.44909375,"end":132.98909375,"speaker_score":0.95},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪委員孟楷","start":148.37909375,"end":149.20596875,"speaker_score":0.95},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪委員孟楷","start":150.31971875000002,"end":153.50909375,"speaker_score":0.95},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"陳主計長淑姿","start":152.59784375,"end":155.23034375,"speaker_score":0.895},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪委員孟楷","start":154.85909375,"end":160.15784375,"speaker_score":0.95},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"陳主計長淑姿","start":160.15784375,"end":160.54596875000001,"speaker_score":0.895},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪委員孟楷","start":160.25909375,"end":166.21596875,"speaker_score":0.95},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪委員孟楷","start":166.60409375,"end":182.09534375,"speaker_score":0.95},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"陳主計長淑姿","start":182.09534375,"end":182.73659375000003,"speaker_score":0.895},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪委員孟楷","start":182.73659375000003,"end":190.98846875,"speaker_score":0.95},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"陳主計長淑姿","start":191.56221875,"end":195.91596875000002,"speaker_score":0.895},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪委員孟楷","start":194.19471875000002,"end":194.22846875000002,"speaker_score":0.95},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"方董事長振仁","start":194.22846875000002,"end":194.80221875,"speaker_score":0.932},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪委員孟楷","start":194.80221875,"end":194.83596875,"speaker_score":0.95},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"方董事長振仁","start":194.83596875,"end":194.85284375,"speaker_score":0.932},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"方董事長振仁","start":195.91596875000002,"end":196.37159375000002,"speaker_score":0.932},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"方董事長振仁","start":196.72596875000002,"end":202.12596875000003,"speaker_score":0.932},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"方董事長振仁","start":202.37909375,"end":202.61534375000002,"speaker_score":0.932},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"方董事長振仁","start":202.98659375000003,"end":205.02846875,"speaker_score":0.932},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪委員孟楷","start":205.02846875,"end":213.76971875,"speaker_score":0.95},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪委員孟楷","start":214.05659375000002,"end":221.59971875000002,"speaker_score":0.95},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪委員孟楷","start":222.15659375,"end":245.14034375000003,"speaker_score":0.95},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪委員孟楷","start":245.32596875000002,"end":248.21159375000002,"speaker_score":0.95},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"方董事長振仁","start":248.21159375000002,"end":248.22846875000002,"speaker_score":0.932},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪委員孟楷","start":248.22846875000002,"end":249.71346875,"speaker_score":0.95},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"方董事長振仁","start":248.24534375000002,"end":248.65034375000002,"speaker_score":0.932},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"方董事長振仁","start":250.27034375000002,"end":274.21596875,"speaker_score":0.932},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪委員孟楷","start":274.21596875,"end":277.59096875,"speaker_score":0.95},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"方董事長振仁","start":274.26659375,"end":274.58721875000003,"speaker_score":0.932},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪委員孟楷","start":277.91159375,"end":282.43409375000005,"speaker_score":0.95},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪委員孟楷","start":283.10909375,"end":289.87596875,"speaker_score":0.95},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪委員孟楷","start":290.14596875,"end":291.04034375000003,"speaker_score":0.95},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪委員孟楷","start":291.31034375,"end":311.79659375,"speaker_score":0.95},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"方董事長振仁","start":311.86409375,"end":312.33659375,"speaker_score":0.932},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪委員孟楷","start":312.42096875000004,"end":313.46721875000003,"speaker_score":0.95},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪委員孟楷","start":313.87221875,"end":320.21721875000003,"speaker_score":0.95},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪委員孟楷","start":320.63909375000003,"end":321.80346875000004,"speaker_score":0.95},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪委員孟楷","start":321.83721875000003,"end":364.24409375000005,"speaker_score":0.95},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪委員孟楷","start":364.36221875,"end":376.19159375000004,"speaker_score":0.95},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪委員孟楷","start":376.91721875,"end":382.68846875,"speaker_score":0.95},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪委員孟楷","start":383.09346875,"end":386.46846875,"speaker_score":0.95},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪委員孟楷","start":386.95784375000005,"end":392.99909375000004,"speaker_score":0.95},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪委員孟楷","start":393.64034375,"end":401.48721875,"speaker_score":0.95}],"whisperx":[{"start":1.752,"end":7.04,"text":"好主席謝謝麻煩請主計長以及我們中油董事長請方董事長請陳主計長"},{"start":12.519,"end":38.945,"text":"主席長 董事長好我想我們在這邊就是共同關心民生的物價以及不要受到衝擊這也是我們召委為什麼會排案的主要目的那現在中東戰事因為美國跟伊朗的談判又看面臨到破裂那不管怎麼樣大家預期的心理會多延後不知道但目前我們有沒有針對物價的部分有去做一個掌握說不要因為這一波而造成有物價漲價的一個狀況"},{"start":40.512,"end":69.726,"text":"是 跟委員報告就是我們每個禮拜它都由政府院長召開物價穩定小組然後本身就是有針對那個石油原油還天然氣還有包括電那所以目前就是油價有雙動漲還有一個專案動漲所以導致目前為止我們雖然油價整個是成長百分之七十幾但是我們實際上真正讓它有漲漲來就只有六點多"},{"start":70.086,"end":98.348,"text":"是這樣子所以整個三月份的一個物價指數來看三月份才1.2那整個1到3是1.23的一個百分比我預期的1.38還要低那現在就是說要看四月份那四月份我們就是五月中旬我們會再做評估然後再做一個然後也會因為這樣我們再調整我們整個一個穩定物價的一個措施的一個問題"},{"start":99.89,"end":120.972,"text":"主委長我簡單講你剛剛的意思就是說因為現在雖然原油進口的價格確實有漲但是我們用政府吸收的方式不管是中油吸收或是政府吸收已經吸收了超過百億我現在能不能再請教說我們有沒有合理的預估如果說這漲到什麼時間點我們沒有辦法吸收下去確實一定要反映到市場上"},{"start":122.545,"end":147.338,"text":"那個臨界點在哪邊所以我們一般我們像我們還是無止境動漲是到九月底為止包括所謂的貨物稅的一個減免包括相關稅捐的一個減免都是到九月底那所以我們每個禮拜都會討論然後整個會再做一個整體的評估所以如果說有什麼變動其實主要是重點是要看中東戰爭的一個戰事的一個情形狀況來做變動"},{"start":150.66,"end":164.311,"text":"主席長你還是沒有針對本席的問題回答所以如果說你真正到還是你講的意思是說到九月以前不管中東因為到九月還有四五個月嘛那我現在就是說如果照你剛剛的講法就是九月才動漲漲價才會再做調整"},{"start":166.713,"end":195.611,"text":"可是不是啊因為你講的是電啊可是我們現在講的是油啊油的部分有包含是說油包含說塑膠等相關所以這也是國人大家關心嘛那本席現在比較重視的是說到最基層的民眾因為這一些都反映成本我知道對 所以到多少的時間點裡面我們都會吸收還是說有一個臨界點就是政府無法吸收或中友無法吸收了有沒有討論過這個部分可能要請中友來回答因為這個部分要看他們"},{"start":196.133,"end":221.412,"text":"有關油價的部分目前採取的機制就是每週檢討所以都沒有討論過本席現在不是在挖陷阱但是本席是要的是超前部署以及了解說政府的決策現在的思考方向就是說我們已經補貼了百億這個是事實對不對從2月28號到現在我們吸收了多少成本"},{"start":222.562,"end":249.506,"text":"到整個3月底吸收90億90億嘛 好那如果說因為剛剛開宗明義主席長也講嘛就是說70幾%的這個漲幅然後我們未來如果說持續飆漲原油每桶現在破110塊那如果120、130、140持續上去這不是不可能但本身現在想問的是說到什麼時間點或什麼臨界點中油也認為是說你們沒有辦法了那一定要反映成本"},{"start":250.525,"end":277.066,"text":"報告委員我想有幾個關鍵的參數要去做一個綜合的評估第一個我們亞鄰國的國家他們對於汽柴油他們的售價是到什麼樣一個情境第二個對於這個民生物價來講它的衝擊會怎麼樣第三個對中油公司來講我們財務上是能不能夠去吸收可能要好多因素來做一個董事長這就是本席想要問這都本席的前提"},{"start":278.067,"end":307.552,"text":"其實本席現在問的問題就是考量這三個前提沒關係也許你我不知道是不是有苦難言或是說怕現在講了之後這個遷移法動全身但是本席很嚴肅嚴正地要提醒就是說中遊應該要思考這一個問題因為這個問題很實際也可能會發生那再來是說影響到民生物價的時候我們有沒有相關檢討因為本席甚至跟要求是說鄰近國家現在可能也要去觀察"},{"start":307.972,"end":328.426,"text":"有沒有因為這一波中東戰事而造成物價上漲調整的狀況要因應那真的最後為什麼本席這樣講因為主計長我還是要強調在財政委員會很著名的一個詢答就是我們有委員問主計長說到底歐阿米爽一碗多少錢結果主計長不知道還在講說20塊啊"},{"start":329.767,"end":349.872,"text":"那我不希望主計處也好或說我們相關單位是不死人間煙火所以本席才會提出說如果說這一波中東戰事而可能會造成物價上漲這個是全面的大事要提早因應而中油的部分因為我們已經看到航空業也已經在四月的時候調漲"},{"start":350.612,"end":375.546,"text":"票價嘛雖然他講的是說燃油費增加但是航空業的調漲是事實啊甚至人家講說一張飛機票這個要多五六千塊三四千塊那這都是事實所以已經用油大宗的航空業運輸業已經都在調漲了那我們不要因此而連帶的變成是民生的一個物價因為漲了回不去這才是關鍵"},{"start":376.957,"end":401.154,"text":"好我希望真的是隨時都要關注然後還有就是每個月檢討也要拿出具體的辦法每個禮拜都檢討也要拿出具體的辦法跟因應不要讓委員認為是說我們在這邊問不到答案或是說你們又重複把前提講出來答案要有好不好我們會持續關注也希望大家一起努力感謝好謝謝洪木凱委員的質詢每個禮拜都檢討"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-13T12:06:16.093000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:06:20.619000+08:00","text":"主席謝謝，麻煩請主計長以及中油董事長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-13T12:06:20.619000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:06:21.040000+08:00","text":"請方董事長、陳主計長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-04-13T12:06:21.040000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T12:06:26.519000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-13T12:06:26.519000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:06:27.239000+08:00","text":"主計長、董事長好。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-13T12:06:27.639000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:06:34.981000+08:00","text":"我想我們在這邊就是共同關心民生的物價以及不要受到衝擊，這也是召委為什麼要排案的主要目的。是。","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-13T12:06:36.481000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:06:52.945000+08:00","text":"現在中東戰事因為美國跟伊朗的談判又面臨破裂，不管怎麼樣，大家的預期心理會到多久以後不知道，但目前你們有沒有掌握物價的部分，不要因為這一波而造成有物價漲價的狀況？","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-04-13T12:06:54.772000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:07:12.821000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們每個禮拜都由正副院長召開物價穩定小組會議，本身有針對石油、原油、天然氣，還有電來討論，所以目前油價有雙凍漲，還有一個專案凍漲。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-04-13T12:07:13.461000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:07:31.932000+08:00","text":"目前為止，雖然我們油價成長百分之七十幾，但是實際上有上漲的就只有百分之六點多，所以以3月份的物價指數來看，3月份才1.2%，1到3月是1.23%，因為……","quality":0.783},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-13T12:07:31.932000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T12:07:33.694000+08:00","text":"就還是維持預期？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-04-13T12:07:33.694000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:07:52.348000+08:00","text":"對，比我們預計的1.38%還要低，現在就是要看4月份，4月份的我們5月中旬會再做評估，也因為這樣，我們在調整穩定物價措施的問題。","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-13T12:07:53.890000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:08:03.941000+08:00","text":"是，主計長，我簡單講，你剛剛的意思就是，雖然現在原油進口的價格確實有漲，但是我們用的是政府吸收的方式，不管是中油吸收或是政府吸收的方式。是。","quality":0.839},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-13T12:08:05.402000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:08:07.945000+08:00","text":"已經吸收超過百億了嘛！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-13T12:08:07.945000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:08:14.952000+08:00","text":"我現在能不能再請教，你們有沒有合理的預估，如果漲到什麼時間點，就沒有辦法吸收下去，確實一定要反映到市場上？","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-13T12:08:17.326000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:08:18.566000+08:00","text":"這個臨界點在哪邊？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-13T12:08:20.888000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:08:21.808000+08:00","text":"還是無止境？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-04-13T12:08:22.048000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:08:36.816000+08:00","text":"我們一般凍漲是到9月底為止，包括所謂的貨物稅減免、相關稅捐的減免都是到9月底，所以我們每個禮拜都會討論，然後再做一個整體的評估。","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-04-13T12:08:37.516000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:08:41.338000+08:00","text":"如果說有什麼變動，其實主要重點是要看中東戰爭的戰事狀況來做變動……","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-13T12:08:44.660000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:08:47.082000+08:00","text":"主計長，你還是沒有針對本席的問題回答。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-04-13T12:08:47.562000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:08:48.783000+08:00","text":"我知道，所以如果說真正到9月……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-13T12:08:49.064000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:08:53.767000+08:00","text":"還是你講的意思是，到9月以前，不管中東……因為到9月，還有4、5個月嘛……是。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-13T12:08:54.568000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:09:01.053000+08:00","text":"我現在就是說，如果照你剛剛的講法，9月漲價才會再做調整，不是啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-13T12:09:01.313000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:09:03.735000+08:00","text":"因為你講的是電啊，可我們現在講的是油啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-13T12:09:04.235000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:09:15.722000+08:00","text":"油的部分，有包含油、塑膠等相關，所以這也是國人所關心的嘛，本席現在比較重視的是最基層的民眾，因為這一些都反映成本。","quality":0.961},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-04-13T12:09:16.163000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:09:16.443000+08:00","text":"我知道。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-13T12:09:17.123000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:09:20.245000+08:00","text":"對，所以到什麼時間點，我們都會吸收？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-13T12:09:20.565000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:09:21.586000+08:00","text":"還是有一個臨界點？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-13T12:09:21.586000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:09:24.508000+08:00","text":"就是政府無法吸收或中油無法吸收了，有沒有討論過？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-04-13T12:09:24.508000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:09:29.611000+08:00","text":"這個部分可能要請中油來回答，因為這個部分要看他們。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-13T12:09:29.611000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T12:09:30.611000+08:00","text":"好，請中油回答。","quality":0},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-13T12:09:30.133000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:09:38.639000+08:00","text":"報告委員，有關油價的部分，目前採取的機制就是每週檢討，每週檢討就是根據……","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-13T12:09:38.639000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:09:40.541000+08:00","text":"所以都沒有討論過？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-13T12:09:40.541000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:09:47.406000+08:00","text":"本席現在不是在挖陷阱，但本席要的是超前部署，以及了解政府的決策、現在的思考方向。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-13T12:09:48.927000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:09:52.870000+08:00","text":"我們已經補貼了百億，這個是事實，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-13T12:09:52.870000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:09:55.392000+08:00","text":"從2月28日到現在，我們吸收了多少成本？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-13T12:09:56.562000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:09:59.625000+08:00","text":"到整個3月底吸收90億。90億。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-13T12:10:01.186000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:10:23.486000+08:00","text":"因為剛剛開宗明義，主計長也講了，就是七十幾趴的漲幅，未來如果持續飆漲，原油每桶現在破110塊，那如果120、130、140持續上去，這不是不可能，但本席現在想問的是，到什麼時間點或什麼臨界點，中油你們也認為沒有辦法了，一定要反映成本？","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-13T12:10:24.525000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:10:35.574000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我想有幾個關鍵參數要去做一個綜合評估：第一個，我們的亞鄰國，他們對於汽、柴油的售價是到什麼樣的情境？","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-13T12:10:36.295000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:10:45.722000+08:00","text":"第二個，對於民生物價來講，它的衝擊會怎麼樣；第三個，對中油公司來講，我們財務上能不能夠去吸收？","quality":1},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-13T12:10:46.303000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:10:47.904000+08:00","text":"可能要有好多因素來做綜合評斷。","quality":0.643},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-13T12:10:48.244000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:10:55.388000+08:00","text":"董事長，這就是本席想要問的、這都是本席的前提欸，其實本席現在問的問題就是考量這三個前提。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-13T12:10:55.808000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:11:12.450000+08:00","text":"沒關係，我不知道你是不是有苦難言，或是怕現在講了之後，牽一髮而動全身，但是本席要很嚴肅、嚴正的提醒，中油應該要思考這個問題，因為這個問題很實際，也可能會發生。","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-13T12:11:13.051000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:11:17.071000+08:00","text":"再來是影響到民生物價的時候，有沒有相關的檢討？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-13T12:11:17.751000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:11:27.196000+08:00","text":"甚至本席更要求，現在可能也要去觀察鄰近國家有沒有因為這一波中東戰事而造成物價上漲調整的狀況要因應。是。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-13T12:11:28.817000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:11:30.438000+08:00","text":"真的，為什麼本席這樣講？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-13T12:11:31.118000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:11:40.345000+08:00","text":"主計長，我還是要強調，在財政委員會很著名的一個詢答，就是我們有委員問主計長說到底蚵仔麵線一碗多少錢？","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-13T12:11:40.345000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:11:42.406000+08:00","text":"結果主計長不知道，還在講20塊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-13T12:11:43.907000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:11:58.871000+08:00","text":"我不希望主計處或是相關單位是不食人間煙火，所以本席才會提出，如果這一波中東戰事而可能會造成物價上漲，這個是全面的大事，要提早因應。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-13T12:11:59.551000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:12:29.546000+08:00","text":"中油的部分，因為我們已經看到航空業也已經在4月的時候調漲票價，雖然它的講法是燃油費增加，但是航空業的調漲是事實，甚至人家講一張飛機票要多五、六千塊、三、四千塊，這都是事實，所以用油大宗的航空業、運輸業已經都在調漲了，我們不要因此而連帶變成民生物價上漲，因為漲了回不去，這才是關鍵。","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-04-13T12:12:29.546000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T12:12:31.557000+08:00","text":"隨時都在關注。好。","quality":0.143},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-13T12:12:31.557000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:12:36.481000+08:00","text":"我希望真的是隨時都在關注，還有每個月檢討也要拿出具體的辦法。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-04-13T12:12:36.481000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T12:12:37.481000+08:00","text":"我們是每個禮拜都檢討。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-13T12:12:37.301000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:12:40.263000+08:00","text":"好，每個禮拜都檢討也要拿出具體的辦法跟因應。是。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-13T12:12:40.263000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:12:48.649000+08:00","text":"不要讓委員認為說我們在這邊問不到答案，或說你們又重複把前提講出來，答案要有，好不好？好。","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-13T12:12:49.330000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:12:52.532000+08:00","text":"我們會持續關注，也希望大家一起努力，感謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-04-13T12:12:52.532000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:12:53.453000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-13T12:12:53.453000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:12:54.653000+08:00","text":"謝謝洪孟楷委員的質詢。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-13T12:12:55.153000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T12:13:03.724429+08:00","text":"每個禮拜都檢討，那後續怎麼去解決，也希望主計長可以提供給本委員會。","quality":0.233},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-13T12:13:04.024429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T12:13:06.595857+08:00","text":"接下來請鍾佳濱委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}