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那是兩件事情你們現在在處理喔可能要回去查 因為案件很多啦 委員臨時問我不是案件很多 但是落得太嚴重了嘛今年要完工的東西才2.49"},{"start":533.776,"end":559.05,"text":"現在我們沒處理,你們沒處理,當然人家有一些人怪到縣長頭上去做管理的人也很麻煩工程會是負責申訴的部分,到底要不要停權是由機關來決定還有大邱遊客中心,也一樣大邱遊客中心當然啦,現在中央沒有錢給他"},{"start":560.755,"end":589.097,"text":"沒有錢給他所以進度落後你們了解一下好不好還有在缺工我們那裡失業率是0.1全國最低的沒有人失業啊他沒有工作的一些人什麼原因就是年齡老化還有身心障礙除了這些人都有工作做那我們缺工他怎麼辦呢缺工這裡面不只是工程的缺工"},{"start":590.407,"end":591.609,"text":"我們旅遊業、旅館、洗床單、備單還有廚師、炒菜、洗碗盤這些怎麼處理?"},{"start":603.12,"end":620.711,"text":"因為這是服務業的這個人力需求那勞動部也一直有在注意這些事情那我們會來跟勞動部來反映另外就缺工的問題就工程的問題因為離島所以他的人力缺乏包括"},{"start":621.952,"end":651.04,"text":"原料也缺乏所以需要運送所以基本上預算當然是可以比平常在本島的預算那麼可以再增加再多編啦 寬編這一直都有這樣的一個制度後邊我們有的標不出去耶你看一個工程標了18次主委你在台灣有聽說過標18次標不出去的嗎有標多次流標的是有啦是不是有標18次 好像這個標出去了"},{"start":652.484,"end":681.072,"text":"聽說這個廠商不只標這個工程,前面標這個工程不知道工程延宕多久已經一直給他工期了他有三個,阿兵哥還一個,還一個案子這個拿他沒辦法嗎?你這樣下去的話怎麼辦?當縣長也好,當指揮官也好,你說碰到這樣的工程這些業者你說怎麼辦?這不是我的問題嘛,不是從政者的問題嘛"},{"start":682.639,"end":705.717,"text":"所以這個法律上面 法規上面怎麼處理它受到你們工程會去調處你們要有一個標準的判斷好不好好 如果禮遇爭議的調解那工程會會指定委員來協助還有就是心事中的事情請主委認真一點對水資源的管理等等好不好你不能讓我們一直喝海水丹花茶"},{"start":707.261,"end":730.604,"text":"核和海水淡化,你起碼未來的十年二十年還是要未雨綢繆你不能光看眼前,眼前是沒有缺水沒有缺電問題我們很多的基礎建設完備以後,觀光客進來我們要供應這麼多人,那時候水跟電就不夠了你要從長計議,謝謝主委"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-13T11:26:37.235000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:26:38.316000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，請陳主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-13T11:26:39.077000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:26:39.698000+08:00","text":"有請陳主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-04-13T11:26:45.723000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:26:46.583000+08:00","text":"委員早。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-13T11:26:46.583000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:27:23.370000+08:00","text":"主委，這兩天中共習主席、習總書記對金門、馬祖釋出一些利多，也就是新四通，新四通包含通水、通電、通氣、通橋，早上我看到也有委員在質詢這個問題，主委，因為水力、電力都是你們督導的，你認為在政黨還沒有輪替的情況之下，有可能跟對岸談這個問題嗎？","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-04-13T11:27:27.216000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:27:49.750000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我覺得所有的事情都可以談，基於民生需要，但是我們要了解我們的對岸對我們並不友善，他有一些企圖，而且有時候宣傳和實際做的不一樣，我舉金門供水而言，反而金門我們現在做的……","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-13T11:27:50.371000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:27:51.191000+08:00","text":"現在供水供得很好啊！","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-04-13T11:27:51.772000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:28:08.082000+08:00","text":"對，現在金門反而海水淡化，或本身的水力設施慢慢可以讓廈門供來的水是在一定比例以下，所以我認為可以談，但是我們必須很清楚這個還是有些前提。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-13T11:28:08.462000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:28:17.124000+08:00","text":"沒有，現在反正來者不善，你什麼東西都不溝通，在不溝通的狀況之下，最後就是打仗，是不是？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-13T11:28:18.584000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:28:29.466000+08:00","text":"就是打仗，因為你無法溝通、無法在桌面上談事情，那我們就準備武器跟對面對幹，就這個意思，是不是這個意思？我想……","quality":0.894},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-13T11:28:31.446000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:28:47.888000+08:00","text":"其實他要金門、馬祖太簡單了，他把你所有的金援切斷、物資切斷，早上也有人問，廈門那邊做了橋，他們在兩年以前開始動工了，要跟小金門通橋，你知道嗎？","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-13T11:28:47.888000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:28:51.910000+08:00","text":"已經真的在做了，這個橋他為什麼敢做呢？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-13T11:28:53.411000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:28:57.114000+08:00","text":"你不通的話，他改天把你圍起來，他把金門拿下來，一樣通，是不是？","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-13T11:28:58.595000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:29:02.377000+08:00","text":"當然我們在政治上評估，他大概不至於這樣做。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-13T11:29:03.878000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:29:10.938000+08:00","text":"好，你現在講海水淡化，你喜歡喝海水淡化的水嗎？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-13T11:29:11.158000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:29:38.031000+08:00","text":"目前馬祖都是海淡機，南竿600噸的有2座，每天有1,000噸海水淡化的水，北竿有500噸的水、東引有500噸的水、東西莒有差不多200噸的水，這些海水淡化水喝下去，你覺得健康嗎？","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-13T11:29:38.031000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:29:40.634000+08:00","text":"你有沒有跟醫生接觸過？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-13T11:29:40.934000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:29:49.341000+08:00","text":"行政院工程會老是在討論這些事情，原水裡面包含一些鈣、鎂、鈉、鉀、鐵、錳、氯、矽，很多東西在裡面，我跟醫生聊過，海水淡化的水喝了以後會怎麼樣？","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-13T11:29:50.061000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:30:07.496000+08:00","text":"他會軟趴趴的、骨骼疏鬆，對身體會有影響的。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-13T11:30:09.756000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:30:29.360000+08:00","text":"目前我們老百姓的壽命還活得滿長的，如果跟中部一樣用肺發電，那天顏寬恒委員跟我講，他最近出殯的場合都是60、70歲的，我們這邊都是80、90歲，但他是60、70歲。","quality":0.817},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-13T11:30:29.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:30:31.901000+08:00","text":"你到北京去，70歲也是高壽，為什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-13T11:30:35.070000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:30:52.642000+08:00","text":"它只有一個出口，北京那邊都是霧濛濛、雨濛濛的，空氣非常糟糕，所以對於水的問題，我希望主委有機會到馬祖去也順帶考察一下，督導經濟部水的問題。","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-13T11:30:52.642000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:30:55.263000+08:00","text":"我們目前的水是夠，記者問我水夠不夠？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-13T11:30:55.263000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:30:55.403000+08:00","text":"我說夠。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-13T11:30:55.403000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:30:55.423000+08:00","text":"電夠不夠？夠。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-13T11:30:58.906000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:31:14.751000+08:00","text":"但是有狀況，你不能長年喝海水淡化的水，海水淡化的水進來以後，跟原水要混合在一起，政府有講，金門的水，當水資源不足的時候才同意讓他購水。","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-13T11:31:15.531000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:31:42.896000+08:00","text":"那時候管碧玲委員、現任的海委會主委反對的最厲害，後來我陪著楊鎮浯委員去跟管碧玲委員溝通，金門才開放這個水，所以馬祖這個水的問題，我們要為未來10年、20年觀光客來了以後做打算，水、電這些可以考慮，主委，好不好？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-04-13T11:31:44.498000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:31:53.205000+08:00","text":"因為牽涉到其他部會的問題，不單純是公共工程委員的業務，我們瞭解委員的用心，可能需要其他的……","quality":0.756},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-13T11:31:53.405000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:32:00.548000+08:00","text":"你不要一定要政黨輪替，你現在對共產黨沒有信心嘛，對不對？","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-04-13T11:32:00.548000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:32:01.929000+08:00","text":"沒有人對共產黨有信心。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-13T11:32:02.509000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:32:04.890000+08:00","text":"共產黨來跟你下跪了，你也不敢跟他聊啊！","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-13T11:32:06.170000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:32:08.711000+08:00","text":"你總認為是黃鼠狼給雞拜年，是不是？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-13T11:32:10.691000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:32:12.192000+08:00","text":"你有這樣的想法，那是很麻煩耶！","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-04-13T11:32:13.972000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:32:19.694000+08:00","text":"報告委員，共產黨統治的國家沒有幾個，你看看全世界主要的民主國家對共產黨的評議……好啦！","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-13T11:32:20.194000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:32:23.835000+08:00","text":"現在你也看到老美，我要打你哪裡就哪裡嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-13T11:32:24.116000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:32:25.136000+08:00","text":"我要打伊朗，美國總統講什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-13T11:32:29.383000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:32:32.645000+08:00","text":"我打伊朗是鬧著玩的、開玩笑的，你懂不懂？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-13T11:32:32.825000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:32:36.487000+08:00","text":"我想打他就打他，大國現在就這麼回事嘛，是不是？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-13T11:32:37.528000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:32:47.754000+08:00","text":"今天美國有力量可以保護臺灣，所以臺灣講話很強硬，有一天美國沒這個能力來保護臺灣的時候，臺灣講話還那麼大聲嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-13T11:32:47.754000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:32:50.496000+08:00","text":"我不相信，好，這個不談。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-13T11:32:50.756000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:32:54.839000+08:00","text":"目前馬祖那邊你們有沒有去做施工的查核？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-04-13T11:32:56.639000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:33:02.303000+08:00","text":"我之前有請主秘去過馬祖一趟，那是針對風災的個案，本來我們對……","quality":0.741},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-13T11:33:03.064000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:33:06.066000+08:00","text":"不是光查核風災，還有我們的公共工程啊？","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-04-13T11:33:06.647000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:33:21.036000+08:00","text":"對，我們最近本來是安排去看它的水資源處理中心，因為馬祖是一個污水處理的典範，在全國各縣市接管率，馬祖好像是第三名、接管率是全國第三名。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-13T11:33:21.176000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:33:22.697000+08:00","text":"沒有，海水淡化是處理得很好，但是……","quality":0.643},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-04-13T11:33:23.397000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:33:35.740000+08:00","text":"我說的是民生污水處理，接管率是全國第三名，就是非常認真在接管、在做小型的污水處理廠，我們是最近有時間會安排去……有、有！","quality":0.904},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-13T11:33:35.860000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:33:43.401000+08:00","text":"污水處理，我還當縣長的那時候，我們是全國第二名，除了落後臺北市，我們是第二名欸！","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-04-13T11:33:43.641000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:33:50.595000+08:00","text":"高雄市是第二，還是馬祖是第二，大概是全國優先。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-13T11:33:51.297000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:34:01.210000+08:00","text":"你們漏掉馬祖有個地方，即軍中，軍方都在山上，你們要注意到那個污水，你不要只注意到民間的污水處理……","quality":0.651},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-04-13T11:34:02.651000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:34:04.071000+08:00","text":"在軍方的污水是沒有接管嘛。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-13T11:34:05.652000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:34:09.113000+08:00","text":"軍方都在山頭，髒的水流下來會影響到平原，是不是？","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-04-13T11:34:10.214000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:34:11.034000+08:00","text":"我們找時間去看。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-13T11:34:11.454000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:34:22.098000+08:00","text":"好，現在就是落實施工查核，我們北竿的中山國中原訂115年6月25號完工，到現在工程進度多少？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-13T11:34:22.118000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:34:26.109000+08:00","text":"2.49%，你們工程會對這個事情怎麼處理？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-04-13T11:34:26.189000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:34:26.189000+08:00","text":"我們請……","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-13T11:34:26.189000+08: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